Love your enemies

[Fool]

And yet again, you are defending against something
neither stated nor implied.

There is nothing "hateful" in the quote, but, if you
wish to pretend it was just citing neutral research
and had nothing to do with me, was in no way a
response to what I had said,that is most disingenuous.

again you made a personal remark to someone else about me

You said:
""""Telling me how I do feel, as per our fool, or how I should
feel, as per the "Unconditional Love" cant, is seriously
obnoxious. So is the smug "i am right coz god / science
sez I am".

Christians in general seem to be much given to binary
thinking, the more fundy the worse they are about it.

Not that those vices are restricted to Christians.""""


people can have a discussion about an idea without blaming someone else for their emotions.



ITS NOT A COMPETITION


can you back up the idea that hate is a long-term healthy lifestyle?

 

[ChristineM]

holding on to anger effects other relationships


the amazing thing is when people believe "they" have never ever caused harm and yet they expect to be forgiven and loved.


its not a competition


its not an advocation for bad behavior. you can still have reasonable compassion with correction. any parent knows that


now if a person could remove the tribalism as a bias they could use the same idea in forgiveness, correction, and compassion

And that same idea in indifference, that way they dont waste there time feeling sick about forgiving and offering compassion a pervert who molested their child or a murderer who killed their spouse.

These things will be remembered all their life, there is no need to add to that trauma by thinking nice thoughts about a violent moron with nothing but sadistic pleasure on their mind. And who would do the same again and again no matter how much compassion and forgiveness you offer them.

 

[ChristineM]

again you made a personal remark to someone else about me

You said:
""""Telling me how I do feel, as per our fool, or how I should
feel, as per the "Unconditional Love" cant, is seriously
obnoxious. So is the smug "i am right coz god / science
sez I am".

Christians in general seem to be much given to binary
thinking, the more fundy the worse they are about it.

Not that those vices are restricted to Christians.""""


people can have a discussion about an idea without blaming someone else for their emotions.



ITS NOT A COMPETITION


can you back up the idea that hate is a long-term healthy lifestyle?

SO STOP TRYING TO WIN WHAT YOU HAVE NO COMPREHENSION OF

 

[ChristineM]

again you made a personal remark to someone else about me

You said:
""""Telling me how I do feel, as per our fool, or how I should
feel, as per the "Unconditional Love" cant, is seriously
obnoxious. So is the smug "i am right coz god / science
sez I am".

Christians in general seem to be much given to binary
thinking, the more fundy the worse they are about it.

Not that those vices are restricted to Christians.""""


people can have a discussion about an idea without blaming someone else for their emotions.



ITS NOT A COMPETITION


can you back up the idea that hate is a long-term healthy lifestyle?

Why are you deliberately misrepresenting indifference as hate?

 

[Audie]

SO STOP TRYING TO WIN WHAT YOU HAVE NO COMPREHENSION OF

goodness, i must have just hit the ig button in the nick of time!

 

[Audie]

Why are you deliberately misrepresenting indifference as hate?

It may not be the case here, but I have noticed that fundamentalists
are constitutionally incapable of admitting to the tiniest error.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Not one is relevant to this situation, they are about forgiveness, not loving those who cause farm. Do you understand the difference between love and forgiveness?

Also

Forgiveness: Your Health Depends on It... Family members

Why is it so easy to hold a grudge?... Someone you care about

Why is it so easy to hold a grudge?.. years later

Forgiveness is the result and benefit and it's an expression of one's love (their charity for other human beings to name a few traits).

There are many characteristics of love. Of course not everyone agrees with each trait; yet, they exist nonetheless.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

i never made a hateful remark about anyone personally. i made a statement about hate being unhealthy because its a long term view point.


and then you did it again

Love your enemies


can you back up the idea that hate is a long-term healthy lifestyle?

I guess to clarify it to some, when someone doesn't love other people who wrong them, it can produce internal hate for them. While someone may not acknowledge, know, or deny that they do hate, it's there. If one does not hate another expressed or internalized, it would be easier to forgive.

However, some people have been through so much stuff that to even think of forgiveness would be out of the question. This produces internalized hate. Though it affects people differently. Some are indifferent to it and set it aside without addressing it. Others are swamped by it.

 

[Audie]

I guess to clarify it to some, when someone doesn't love other people who wrong them, it can produce internal hate for them. While someone may not acknowledge, know, or deny that they do hate, it's there. If one does not hate another expressed or internalized, it would be easier to forgive.

However, some people have been through so much stuff that to even think of forgiveness would be out of the question. This produces internalized hate. Though it affects people differently. Some are indifferent to it and set it aside without addressing it. Others are swamped by it.

i really do not think I feel hatred.
Earlier, I said it was as if I had been attacked
by a rabid bear. (might have been a better
experience!!)
But how could I hate a bear?
Same thing.

Oh, and as earlier, I am not fond of being
told how I feel.

 

[ChristineM]

Forgiveness is the result and benefit and it's an expression of one's love (their charity for other human beings to name a few traits).

There are many characteristics of love. Of course not everyone agrees with each trait; yet, they exist nonetheless.

I dont consider love to be charity or forgiveness, i consider is (as does the dictionary definition) to be a feeling, an emotion, nothing more, nothing less. If a rapist or murder of child molester doesn't trigger that emotion then it doesn't matter how many aspects you attribute to love

 

[ChristineM]

I guess to clarify it to some, when someone doesn't love other people who wrong them, it can produce internal hate for them. While someone may not acknowledge, know, or deny that they do hate, it's there. If one does not hate another expressed or internalized, it would be easier to forgive.

However, some people have been through so much stuff that to even think of forgiveness would be out of the question. This produces internalized hate. Though it affects people differently. Some are indifferent to it and set it aside without addressing it. Others are swamped by it.

Why are you attributing emotion that dont have meaning.

How many times? Indifference is not hate?

 

[ChristineM]

Forgiveness is the result and benefit and it's an expression of one's love (their charity for other human beings to name a few traits).

There are many characteristics of love. Of course not everyone agrees with each trait; yet, they exist nonetheless.

No it is not an expression of love, i suggest you research the meaning of love. I only go by dictionary definition, not by what different people consider suits them best. That way i am clear what i mean and expect other people to understand the dictionary definition, it is a good recipe for clarity of meaning.

So i guess the problems of this thread are what different people consider to be the meaning of a word.

I believe i made a statement earlier of what i consider love to be. I will not be changed my mind on that.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I dont consider love to be charity or forgiveness, i consider is (as does the dictionary definition) to be a feeling, an emotion, nothing more, nothing less. If a rapist or murder of child molester doesn't trigger that emotion then it doesn't matter how many aspects you attribute to love

I see words with contextual definitions since english uses one word for many perspectives. That's why I don't rely on the dictionary. It can say brother is two males related to each other by one's parent. While it could also mean friendship. It could also me used as a slang.

By context, love can mean being cuddly love or it could mean having "love for humanity" (another context). It really depends. In this case, it's not emotional love relationship, but as said, love for humanity type. Therefore, just as giving to the homeless, that type of love for humanity gears us towards charity for other people.

One's personal experiences can discourage one from expressing charity even think someone else is evil because of it. That's justifiable to the person. It's subjective. Objectively, everyone is human and because so are worthy have receiving love. As to who gets it, that depends.

If one wants peace among humanity, there needs to be something internal. There are no "strings attached". I'm sure you understand this in general?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Why are you attributing emotion that dont have meaning.

How many times? Indifference is not hate?

I had to read this again. I didn't relate it to hate.

 

[ChristineM]

I had to read this again. I didn't relate it to hate.

At least twice plus one implication.

You appeared to be trying to explain to fool how hate may not be recognised. Implying that both @Audie and i are riddled with internal hatred. You obviously do not understand despite us both explaining several times you still need to pin the hater label on us

Or did i misunderstand you post

 

[Unveiled Artist]

No it is not an expression of love, i suggest you research the meaning of love. I only go by dictionary definition, not by what different people consider suits them best. That way i am clear what i mean and expect other people to understand the dictionary definition, it is a good recipe for clarity of meaning.

So i guess the problems of this thread are what different people consider to be the meaning of a word.

I believe i made a statement earlier of what i consider love to be. I will not be changed my mind on that.

I'll have to come back.

English is not the dictionary. Gosh. If you go by the dictionary, you're missing out on a lot of English slang (lack of better words). Unless your native language isn't english, I'm sure you kinda understand that? I'm sure most languages aren't verbatim?

Quoting the dictionary is like quoting scripture. People thinking the bible speaks for itself. English is a contextual language.

 

[ChristineM]

I see words with contextual definitions since english uses one word for many perspectives. That's why I don't rely on the dictionary. It can say brother is two males related to each other by one's parent. While it could also mean friendship. It could also me used as a slang.

By context, love can mean being cuddly love or it could mean having "love for humanity" (another context). It really depends. In this case, it's not emotional love relationship, but as said, love for humanity type. Therefore, just as giving to the homeless, that type of love for humanity gears us towards charity for other people.

One's personal experiences can discourage one from expressing charity even think someone else is evil because of it. That's justifiable to the person. It's subjective. Objectively, everyone is human and because so are worthy have receiving love. As to who gets it, that depends.

If one wants peace among humanity, there needs to be something internal. There are no "strings attached". I'm sure you understand this in general?

There lies the problem, dictionaries are there for a reason, to standardise and cut down on confusion.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

At least twice plus one implication.

You appeared to be trying to explain to fool how hate may not be recognised. Implying that both @Audie and i are riddled with internal hatred. You obviously do not understand despite us both explaining several times you still need to pin the hater label on us

Or did i misunderstand you post

Who is pinning the hate label on you guys?

I'm just saying people who experience horrible things that can't forgive may have internalized hate. When you have hate (replace any negative feeling) for someone else based on someone else's behavior, it prevents one from expressing forgiveness, compassion, and love.

It's a psychological thing. Generalizations doesn't need to be taken seriously. A lot of topics are generalized as to explain a point. It's not personal.

Edit. As for @Fool, I'm not sure if I read it wrong. He'd have to clarify it if I misread what he was trying to say.

 

[ChristineM]

I'll have to come back.

English is not the dictionary. Gosh. If you go by the dictionary, you're missing out on a lot of English slang (lack of better words). Unless your native language isn't english, I'm sure you kinda understand that? I'm sure most languages aren't verbatim?

Quoting the dictionary is like quoting scripture. People thinking the bible speaks for itself. English is a contextual language.

A contextual language that is documented, good dictionaries include all definitions, slang and colloquialisms.

If one does not go by the accepted definition then how is anyone supposed to understand?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

There lies the problem, dictionaries are there for a reason, to standardise and cut down on confusion.

That's why we have thesaurus and slang dictionaries among other things. It's to put context to words so they won't be taken verbatim. Emotions and other abstract words are contextual. I love my mother differently than I love my friend. Yet, I use the same word just the context is different. I love humanity and I love my girlfriend. I use the same word but of course you know it's not the same.