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Love your enemies

Audie

Veteran Member
Some people have no concept of reality but consider the emotion as a binary force. They can't help it i am sure, but it's bloody annoying when ignorant people tell you how you feel.


Telling me how I do feel, as per our fool, or how I should
feel, as per the "Unconditional Love" cant, is seriously
obnoxious. So is the smug "i am right coz god / science
sez I am".

Christians in general seem to be much given to binary
thinking, the more fundy the worse they are about it.

Not that those vices are restricted to Christians.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Why are people need to be worthy of someone else's love?

It makes it seem more selfish: I have something special something I will only give if you are worthy of it.

If that be the case, we'd be walking around hoping other people will treat us with respect. Then when someone doesn't follow the criteria of our love, they ignore us. Im sure behavior isn't the only thing that warrants other people of one's love?

(I can't think of another word for it)
 

Jim

Nets of Wonder
Our culture is to be somewhat distant with strangers ...
- but helpful. Any time I stop and look around, someone asks if they can help me. Unfortunately sometimes, that’s all the English they know.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Why are people need to be worthy of someone else's love?

It makes it seem more selfish: I have something special something I will only give if you are worthy of it.

If that be the case, we'd be walking around hoping other people will treat us with respect. Then when someone doesn't follow the criteria of our love, they ignore us. Im sure behavior isn't the only thing that warrants other people of one's love?

(I can't think of another word for it)

In NYC, I would always see the same old black
man sitting on the sidewalk with his hat.

I always gave him money, and following Thoreau's
advice, I gave of myself with it.

As in, I would if in a hurry, give him a smile and a
"good morning", if not, I'd stop to speak to him
for a minute.

I know what having a young woman show such
attention can do for a man's day, and, it was little
enough for me to give him 20 dollars of a hundred,
or two minutes of my time.

Did I love him? Of course not. I dont cheapen the
word "love" by spreading it promiscuously around.
If that seems "selfish" to you, then that's how you feel,
not how it is.

"Unconditional love" is not love at all. There may
be other words for it. I can think of a few.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Good idea. Ice water is so unsuitable,
but they will serve it anyway, if people want it.

Where are your friends from?

Unless in a Chinese or Thai restaurant i always drink iced water, it's my tipple of choice.

Jack is from Kowloon but has lived in England for 25 years. Diana lives in the Southern District and comes over to live at Jack's for about 6 months each year. Then there is Simon, also from Kowloon!
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Telling me how I do feel, as per our fool, or how I should
feel, as per the "Unconditional Love" cant, is seriously
obnoxious. So is the smug "i am right coz god / science
sez I am".

Christians in general seem to be much given to binary
thinking, the more fundy the worse they are about it.

Not that those vices are restricted to Christians.
i never told anyone how to feel. i told you the science shows that loving kindness can be for the greater good. I also know this from 1st hand experience.


you're extremely mistaken; if you think i have the ability, or anyone else does, to force someone to believe anything. research from evidence doesn't lie.

no one has to like the results but the results and the research are there.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
i never told anyone how to feel. i told you the science shows that loving kindness can be for the greater good. I also know this from 1st hand experience.


you're extremely mistaken; if you think i have the ability, or anyone else does, to force someone to believe anything. research from evidence doesn't lie.

no one has to like the results but the results and the research are there.

Please provide link to the scientific study you are working from.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
In NYC, I would always see the same old black
man sitting on the sidewalk with his hat.

I always gave him money, and following Thoreau's
advice, I gave of myself with it.

As in, I would if in a hurry, give him a smile and a
"good morning", if not, I'd stop to speak to him
for a minute.

I know what having a young woman show such
attention can do for a man's day, and, it was little
enough for me to give him 20 dollars of a hundred,
or two minutes of my time.

Did I love him? Of course not. I dont cheapen the
word "love" by spreading it promiscuously around.
If that seems "selfish" to you, then that's how you feel,
not how it is.

"Unconditional love" is not love at all. There may
be other words for it. I can think of a few.

I would say that's love for humanity. If ones charity is from the heart, love would show it despite the type of relationship it may be. It's conditional because you choose to give based on a set of morals that promote as such.

That type of love is different than affectionate and different than marital. Since he is another human being the context makes it love nonetheless.

We have a lot of homeless here. Being around people from different walks from illegal to plain bad luck. But most times they ask for respect. People convicted murder I talked with just the same.

I love each person as a human being. I don't kiss them. I'm not their friend. I don't hate them. But they are human. That charity is what I'd call love.

Anyone can have unconditional love. But if one has good values, they may have conditions for love that are based on their valuesnot the others behavior.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member

Not one is relevant to this situation, they are about forgiveness, not loving those who cause farm. Do you understand the difference between love and forgiveness?

Also

Forgiveness: Your Health Depends on It... Family members

Why is it so easy to hold a grudge?... Someone you care about

Why is it so easy to hold a grudge?.. years later
 

Audie

Veteran Member
i never told anyone how to feel. i told you the science shows that loving kindness can be for the greater good. I also know this from 1st hand experience.


you're extremely mistaken; if you think i have the ability, or anyone else does, to force someone to believe anything. research from evidence doesn't lie.

no one has to like the results but the results and the research are there.

The phone rang...someone in NYC does not seem to know
it is already tomorrow in HK, very EARLY tomorrow.

So much for sleep.

I dont think and you can force me to believe something. Where
you got that I dunno.

The results you cite may well be valid. You could cite all sorts of
other valid results that are also not applicable.

Now for your sentence in red. " I never told anyone how to feel."

You probably never have, its not a good thing to do.
But that is not it, as I never brought that up, you did, just now.

Look at my words. Now look at what you denied. Not the same!

Telling me how I do feel, as per our fool,...


Sp- I said how I feel,
and you corrected me, adding in some detail, now I actually do
feel, think, and act. (as shown by science, no less)

See your mistake? And really, you dont get to tell me how
I feel. Or that I am justifying something when I am not.

Here is how it went

Me-
I am not angry, nor do I hate the monster who hurt me.

You-
the science disagrees.

you are attempting to justify hatred as healthy. it isn't

hatred is a long term emotion that involves an attachment to something that was temporal. people do negative things out of hatred, the lack of love. hatred causes people to transfer a temporal event into long term actions because of similarities that are not necessarily justified and the person behaves that way because of a trigger

And you got none of it correct. Sound concepts, no doubt, but
they do not apply to me here. All the things I do out of hatred that
I dont feel. Etc.

Do you see your mistake(s)?
 
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Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Not one is relevant to this situation, they are about forgiveness, not loving those who cause farm. Do you understand the difference between love and forgiveness?

Also

Forgiveness: Your Health Depends on It... Family members

Why is it so easy to hold a grudge?... Someone you care about

Why is it so easy to hold a grudge?.. years later
holding on to anger effects other relationships


the amazing thing is when people believe "they" have never ever caused harm and yet they expect to be forgiven and loved.


its not a competition


its not an advocation for bad behavior. you can still have reasonable compassion with correction. any parent knows that


now if a person could remove the tribalism as a bias they could use the same idea in forgiveness, correction, and compassion
 
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Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
I dunno, our friend is having a hard time with the topic.
See my post above.
i never claimed to be anyone's friend. again, why don't you consider the transference of your anger and focus on what i did say.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
i never claimed to be anyone's friend. again, why don't you consider the transference of your anger and focus on what i did say.

I see I did not delete it quite in time,
that and my earlier post were in poor taste,
possibly from being waked by a phone call
at 2 30 am or whatever it was. End of my sleep


Red bold sure looks angry.

I am not angry or frustrated.

You are again telling me how I feel.

Sorry I wrote as I did.

You might take another look at my earlier
post and see if maybe you can see
where you kind of went off topic. -?-
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
The phone rang...someone in NYC does not seem to know
it is already tomorrow in HK, very EARLY tomorrow.

So much for sleep.

I dont think and you can force me to believe something. Where
you got that I dunno.

The results you cite may well be valid. You could cite all sorts of
other valid results that are also not applicable.

Now for your sentence in red. " I never told anyone how to feel."

You probably never have, its not a good thing to do.
But that is not it, as I never brought that up, you did, just now.

Look at my words. Now look at what you denied. Not the same!

Telling me how I do feel, as per our fool,...


Sp- I said how I feel,
and you corrected me, adding in some detail, now I actually do
feel, think, and act. (as shown by science, no less)

See your mistake? And really, you dont get to tell me how
I feel. Or that I am justifying something when I am not.

Here is how it went

Me-
I am not angry, nor do I hate the monster who hurt me.

You-
the science disagrees.

you are attempting to justify hatred as healthy. it isn't

hatred is a long term emotion that involves an attachment to something that was temporal. people do negative things out of hatred, the lack of love. hatred causes people to transfer a temporal event into long term actions because of similarities that are not necessarily justified and the person behaves that way because of a trigger

And you got none of it correct. Sound concepts, no doubt, but
they do not apply to me here. All the things I do out of hatred that
I dont feel. Etc.

Do you see your mistake(s)?

actually you made a claim after I posted some information that i knew to be true.


Love your enemies


you're all over the place; when in fact i never told you what to feel, or do. you're taking it personal. generally research is done by non-biased observation.


the research isn't personal but for you it is
 
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Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
I see I did not delete it quite in time,
that and my earlier post were in poor taste,
possibly from being waked by a phone call
at 2 30 am or whatever it was. End of my sleep


Red bold sure looks angry.

I am not angry or frustrated.

You are again telling me how I feel.

.

Sorry I wrote as I did.


your lack of sleep isn't my problem and making personal remarks is definitely your problem

.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
actually you made a claim after I posted some scientific research links.


Love your enemies


you're all over the place; when in fact i never told you what to feel, or do. you're taking it personal. generally research is done by non-biased observation.


the research isn't personal but for you it is


Oh right, this was just "research" you cited-

you are attempting to justify hatred as healthy.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Oh right, this was just "research" you cited-

you are attempting to justify hatred as healthy.


i never made a hateful remark about anyone personally. i made a statement about hate being unhealthy because its a long term view point.


and then you did it again

Love your enemies


can you back up the idea that hate is a long-term healthy lifestyle?
 

Audie

Veteran Member
i never made a hateful remark about anyone personally. i made a statement about hate being unhealthy because its a long term view point.

And yet again, you are defending against something
neither stated nor implied.

There is nothing "hateful" in the quote, but, if you
wish to pretend it was just citing neutral research
and had nothing to do with me, was in no way a
response to what I had said,that is most disingenuous.
 
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