Love your neighborhood Jew as yourself

[74x12]

No,sir, because they ar not harboring Jews. It really wasn't anything near the same thing.

Well I'm not an expert on German law during ww2. However I know people at least in occupied countries could be killed for all kinds of pretexts.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I keep being told that to oppose the policies of the state of Israel, particularly regarding the Palestinians, is to be anti-Semitic, and I keep replying with a rude word from the beef industry.

There is nothing anti-Semitic about criticizing Israel. Israel has no halo over its head.

The problem is, that the form which anti-Semtism has taken in the 21st century is anti-Zioism/anti-Israelism. Examples of crossing the line are calling zionism racism, referring to Israel as a Nazi state, or holding Israel to a double standard.

Here is the EU's working definition of anti-Semitism:

“Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”

1. Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
2. Making mendacious, dehumanising, demonising, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
3. Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
4. Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
5. Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
6. Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
7. Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
8. Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
9. Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterise Israel or Israelis.
10. Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
11. Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Well I'm not an expert on German law during ww2. However I know people at least in occupied countries could be killed for all kinds of pretexts.

Sure, but why would they want to kill someon who isn't a troublemaker?

 

[74x12]

Sure, but why would they want to kill someon who isn't a troublemaker?

It might not make sense to you. But think like a Nazi.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I knew that was coming.

Then you shouldn't have made such a ridiculous claim.

 

[Earthling]

Millions? If you believe Jews deliberately spread the Black Death, perhaps...

No, I don't believe that. What I do believe is that people tend to take relatively isolated events of history and exaggerate their significance while overlooking more significant events. Millions of Jews were killed in WW II. Many more millions also died. The Holocaust was a terrible event, and so was the European slave trade which the Jews were greatly responsible for. But these events aren't really watershed events in the overall scheme of things. Saying something like Hitler killed 6 million Jews in concentration camps is about as accurate as saying Abraham Lincoln fought the Civil War to free the slaves. How many Jews were killed in Russia when it was predominantly ran by Jews, or what was going on during WW I that turned Hitler against the Jews? Was it not the Jews who called for genocide of the German people first? Nobody talks about that.

Religious people kill one another and each other. Political division also provokes people to kill one another. I used to think this was awful, and it is, but now I think - let them. Stand up for some religious or political ideology where you are willing to kill someone and you can expect the same eventuality for yourself. Live by the sword, die by the sword. It ain't me.

 

[74x12]

Then you shouldn't have made such a ridiculous claim.

Who are the tares among the true wheat that Jesus spoke of? Why don't you believe Jesus when says He foretold us all things? The scripture says over and over "beware of men" "beware of false workers" beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravening wolves" etc.

Whoever does the works of satan are the children of satan. It's not hard to tell the difference. As Jesus said of them: "Ye are of your father the devil and the lusts of your father you will do ... he was murderer from the beginning and abode not in the truth because there was no truth in him"

Oh ye of little faith! Slow of heart to believe what the prophets of God have written since ancient times! I speak of spiritual matters that are important; while you people all argue about the reasoning of this present age. No wonder you don't grasp it.

Whether anyone calls themselves a Jew or a Christian they are known by their fruits. Whether they bear the fruits of God or not. That's how you know them. Not by labels!

 

[Epic Beard Man]

How is it that these days, when so many Christians are Israel's best ally, that we still have Christians openly insulting Jews? And to twist the knife, the Bible gets used as the excuse!

Robin, perhaps this seems like some little nothing to you, but it gets under my skin. Of all the things I could have chosen, I picked this issue as one of the three that I wished to discuss with you, this idea that you have that it is okay to constantly refer to the Jews as "stubborn," or as some Christians say it, "stiff necked."

Let me tell you a little story. Jim was sitting with his wife and friends at a local bar. His wife mentioned going for dinner at her sisters again and he had had one too many. "Why do you keep bringing that up? I'm telling you for the hundredth time we ain't going. I swear to God you are more stubborn than a mule. Now shut up about it." It was a bit awkward, but the conversation shifted. Ten minutes later, JIm's friend was trying to get Jim's wife to drive them to the beach the next day, but she stuck to her guns and turned him down. "Wow, you really are a stubborn mule!" said Jim's friend. Jim slammed down his mug and said, "What did you just call my wife?" "Hey, man. You yourself was just sayin' she was a stubborn mule." Jim looked at his friend with daggers in his eyes. "Look, FRIEND. She's my WIFE. We have an intimate like relationship. She knows I love her. Who the bleep are YOU that you think you can say something like that to MY wife?"

It's not the best story, but it does the trick. Through the Tanakh, God gives terms of endearment for Israel. Israel is his Bride. Israel is his firstborn son. All these things speak to the intimate relationship we have with the Lord. I'm sorry, but we don't have an intimate relationship with Christians. What we have with Christians is a 2000 year long history of persecution and pogroms, and, ultimately, the Holocaust. For a Christian to call us stubborn, it has a whole different context. It is seen as simply a continuation of that 2000 year history.

You asked, if it's the truth, why can't I say it? Because it is not always moral to say the truth, in little ways and big ways. If your wife asks you if she looks fat, and she does, you don't say yes. You tell her she looks sweet, or some other truth that indirectly gets around answering the question. I can think of a particular religious group some of whose adherents tend to be triumphalist, presumptive, and prideful, but I don't come into the forum and talk about that group that way. First , it's not rational to blame an entire group for some of it's members. But also---IT'S JUST RUDE. IT'S MEAN to publicly insult people.

And it doesn't love my neighbor as myself. Do I want others talking about my flaws? No. So I mustn't be petty and talk that way about them. As Rabbi Hillel said, What is hateful to you, don't do to others. Or, if you wish, you could take Jesus' hint and "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

The better question to ask is why are so many Christians, bigoted, racist, sexist, and judgmental and use the Bible in excess to justify their behavior.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Actually Christendom is a mirror image of Judaism. Just as the Jews persecuted the Christians in the beginning, the Christians ended up persecuting the Jews....and each other....but not by following the teachings of Jesus Christ.



What brighter future do Jewish people look forward to today? Israel is hardly enjoying peace is it? What do you expect the future to hold for you all?

Christendom has treated a lot of communities and cultures in contemptuous fashion not just Jews and continue to do so today.

 

[Deeje]

Christendom has treated a lot of communities and cultures in contemptuous fashion not just Jews and continue to do so today.

Christendom IMO is as reprehensible as the Pharisees were in Jesus' day. They teach false doctrines and behave in a most unchristian manner cosying up to the "kings of the earth".....and we are not supposed to notice their hypocrisy. Jesus taught us to be no part of the world and yet at every political occasion we see the clergy in full support of their nation's political activities and agenda....good or bad. Supporting the bloodshed in wars that are none of their business and even supplying clergy as chaplains to salve troubled consciences in the ranks. One is hard pressed to tell the difference between religion and patriotism. But there was never to be a union of church and politics. The kingdom that Christ's followers support is nothing to do with this world. (John 18:36) Jesus is not its ruler. (1 John 5:19)

Christendom serves an evil god who tortures souls in a fiery hell with no way out for all eternity....that is just sick!...a gross misrepresentation of the loving and generous God that created us. Some of the most bloody wars were fought....and the most heinous of weapons developed by those who called themselves "Christians"...they do not even know the meaning of the word!

 

[Deeje]

Religious people kill one another and each other. Political division also provokes people to kill one another. I used to think this was awful, and it is, but now I think - let them. Stand up for some religious or political ideology where you are willing to kill someone and you can expect the same eventuality for yourself. Live by the sword, die by the sword. It ain't me.

Yes...a complete separation of heart and mind from the things humankind are doing in the name of their religion or even in the name of political gain is required because we can get emotionally attached to these issues. Anyone who is moved to kill another human being in the name of their god or their government.....has no business calling themselves Christians. (John 18:36) What are they really doing? Nothing good by the looks... Only God has the solution and by all accounts things are shaping up for a huge change....buckle up...its going to be a bumpy ride.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

No, I don't believe that. What I do believe is that people tend to take relatively isolated events of history and exaggerate their significance while overlooking more significant events. Millions of Jews were killed in WW II. Many more millions also died. The Holocaust was a terrible event, and so was the European slave trade which the Jews were greatly responsible for. But these events aren't really watershed events in the overall scheme of things. Saying something like Hitler killed 6 million Jews in concentration camps is about as accurate as saying Abraham Lincoln fought the Civil War to free the slaves. How many Jews were killed in Russia when it was predominantly ran by Jews, or what was going on during WW I that turned Hitler against the Jews? Was it not the Jews who called for genocide of the German people first? Nobody talks about that.

Religious people kill one another and each other. Political division also provokes people to kill one another. I used to think this was awful, and it is, but now I think - let them. Stand up for some religious or political ideology where you are willing to kill someone and you can expect the same eventuality for yourself. Live by the sword, die by the sword. It ain't me.

So no actual evidence of your claim. OK.

 

[Earthling]

So no actual evidence of your claim. OK.

That's funny. I provided videos, photographs, and facts. Apparently by evidence you mean "some guy who talked to some guy in the SS who was probably tortured at the trial of Nuremberg said it was about 5 + million" as evidence.

 

[Mr Faux]

One day we will see that so many that limited others shall judge you even life. You can be what ever you like. Whats this word jew??? I see a ppl that tried to stay true to god an paid for it as jesus did.

 

[Mr Faux]

One day we will see that so many that limited others shall judge you even life. You can be what ever you like. Whats this word jew??? I see a ppl that tried to stay true to god an paid for it as jesus did.

Follow your right to gods compass. You know whats right

 

[InChrist]

Did I sneak into Auschwitz and change this sign from 4 million people . . .

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to 1 1/2 million people?


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And you have to ask yourself, how did the deaths in 1 camp go down by 2 1/2 million without changing the overall estimate of 6 million?

You would think an educated man of science such as yourself would put a little thought into your claims.

Auschwitz was not the only death camp.

According to census before the war there were approximately 11 million Jews throughout Europe. Even the Protocol of the Wannsee Conference (Jan. 20, 1942) a German document which outlined the Nazi plan to annihilate European Jewry, lists over 11 million Jews throughout the continent. After the war, approximately 6 million of those Jews were missing.

 

[InChrist]

And a great many of them were Catholics and Lutherans. My former rabbi's family was saved by a series of Catholic families in the Netherlands working in conjunction with one another. Much the same happened whereas many Protestants helped hide and take care of the innocent.

I'm glad to hear your former rabbi's family was saved. Like I said many individuals did help the Jews. It was the organized churches, Catholic or Protestant, which too often turned a blind eye or went along with Hitler's program.

 

[Earthling]

So no actual evidence of your claim. OK.

The claims I made I showed ample evidence for.

1. The gas chambers at Auschwitz were used to delouse clothes.
2. The showers that were allegedly used as gas chambers shows no evidence of gas being used there, the delousing chambers did.
3. The doors on the showers where they allegedly gassed prisoners opened from the inside.
4. There were 16 ovens. It takes at least two hours to cremate a human corpse. The alleged gas chambers were only used in the last couple years of the war. Witnesses claimed they put 3 or 4 bodies in an oven that could only fit one and cremated them in 15 or 20 minutes. That's a lie. The showers could hold many more people than could be cremated in a reasonable amount of time. There is no way, mathematically, that 4 million prisoners could have been gassed and cremated in the amount of time given.
5. The sign which said 4 million Jews were killed at Auschwitz was changed 3 times since the end of the war, going from 4 million Jews killed there to under 100,000 and yet the 6 million estimate remained the same. The number 6 million was being used as early as 1890.
6. The prisoners had a swimming pool, theater, football teams, put on plays, concerts, watched films, had money, a post office, and store. They were deloused, shaved and given uniforms in place of their clothes, which were gassed, to protect them from disease. So that they could be exterminated?
7. Videos of emaciated corpses at the end of the war certainly wasn't gassed upon arrival as is often told by ex-prisoners who's testimonies have been proven, on film, to have been lies and vary from time to time those same witnesses gave them.
8. It is well known that Nazi's which gave testimony at Nuremberg were tortured into false confessions.

 

[Earthling]

Auschwitz was not the only death camp.

According to census before the war there were approximately 11 million Jews throughout Europe. Even the Protocol of the Wannsee Conference (Jan. 20, 1942) a German document which outlined the Nazi plan to annihilate European Jewry, lists over 11 million Jews throughout the continent. After the war, approximately 6 million of those Jews were missing.

The video I provided explains the truth about the 6 German concentration camps.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

That's funny. I provided videos, photographs, and facts. Apparently by evidence you mean "some guy who talked to some guy in the SS who was probably tortured at the trial of Nuremberg said it was about 5 + million" as evidence.

...the heck are you talking about? This was your post;

No, I don't believe that. What I do believe is that people tend to take relatively isolated events of history and exaggerate their significance while overlooking more significant events. Millions of Jews were killed in WW II. Many more millions also died. The Holocaust was a terrible event, and so was the European slave trade which the Jews were greatly responsible for. But these events aren't really watershed events in the overall scheme of things. Saying something like Hitler killed 6 million Jews in concentration camps is about as accurate as saying Abraham Lincoln fought the Civil War to free the slaves. How many Jews were killed in Russia when it was predominantly ran by Jews, or what was going on during WW I that turned Hitler against the Jews? Was it not the Jews who called for genocide of the German people first? Nobody talks about that.

Religious people kill one another and each other. Political division also provokes people to kill one another. I used to think this was awful, and it is, but now I think - let them. Stand up for some religious or political ideology where you are willing to kill someone and you can expect the same eventuality for yourself. Live by the sword, die by the sword. It ain't me.

No videos, no photographs, and I have no idea what the rambling weirdness "some guy who talked to some guy in the SS who was probably tortured at the trial of Nuremberg said it was about 5 + million" was meant to be about, but whatever.

Edit: did you get confused who you were replying to? I was questioning your claim that Jews have killed millions of Christians. Care to try again?