Magic isn't real, "supernatural" isn't a good term for religion

[FunctionalAtheist]

That's not debate, it's just more conspiracy theories..

Agreed! Hypocrites have been conspiring for 2000 years to legitimize that rubbish.

Apology accepted

 

[Shuttlecraft]

..There were councils held to 'decide' which of the contradictory versions should be 'official.'

In one breath some people say the Bible's been edited and tidied up over the centuries to make it look good, then in their next breath they say it's still full of contradictions!
Wish they'd make up their minds..

 

[Iti oj]

In one breath some people say the Bible's been edited and tidied up over the centuries to make it look good, then in their next breath they say it's still full of contradictions!
Wish they's make up their minds..

Because both can't be true?

 

[Aupmanyav]

In one breath some people say the Bible's been edited and tidied up over the centuries to make it look good, then in their next breath they say it's still full of contradictions!

Now, check. Does it look good? It is the biggest factor why people are turning away from it. The contradictions have not been removed even after 1,600 years of editing. It needs an overhaul.

 

[Shuttlecraft]

[re the Bible] Does it look good? It is the biggest factor why people are turning away from it..

Dream on muchacho, Christianity is the biggest game on the park..

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

In one breath some people say the Bible's been edited and tidied up over the centuries to make it look good, then in their next breath they say it's still full of contradictions!
Wish they'd make up their minds..

Yep, you can polish that turd all you want! It's still a turd.

 

[Tiapan]

Dream on muchacho, Christianity is the biggest game on the park..

That map is wrong, it shows Australia is Christian, when in fact I think it is now majority atheists or at least religion "I dont care" status. On almost every corner where a church once stood there is now a MacDonalds and many old stone country churches are now just residential houses. Its taken almost to a century to get rid of these anachronistic symbols of the past. The new refugee Muslims keep wanting to put up Mosques but the locals always rightfully object, they should leave behind the concepts they have escaped from and become part of the benevolent society that now shelters them. We are a progressive not regressive country.

By the way when you look at the map do you notice the closer to the equator you get the crazier things are.

Cheers

 

[Father Heathen]

Who says that, an ancient mystic?
And how does he know, is he just guessing or what?

The sourse of his religious claims is essentually the same as yours: men long dead pulled it from their ***.

 

[columbus]

I was a teenager and lived through the 1960's and could easily sit down today 50 years later and write a book called "Pop music of the Sizzling 60's".
But if I made bits of it up, people would quickly say "HEY, that's not true, we lived through the 60's too, and you're making things up!"
But they could never say that because I'd stick only to TRUE facts throughout the book!

Likewise, when the gospels were written after Jesus's death, NOBODY, not a single person, ever came forward to say "Hey that's not true, I was there!"
That's why we know can take the gospels as the gospel truth..

If you published a book about a subject millions of people know about you had best be accurate.
If you were the president of the Ernie fan club you fake almost everything about his life. Write about how he invented the electric guitar and taught Ringo to play drums.Especially if the only copies are laboriously copied out by hand on hand made paper. Then you only show them to the gullible and uninformed people you think might want to join your club for a small fee. Ernie's death from playing music in the shower becomes a transformation, even if he actually died from food poisoning after dumpster diving.

If nearly nobody knows or cares about your biography or the subject it is unlikely that the people who do know it's invented will be bothered much. Heck, even other fan clubs with somewhat different biographies won't. Because they don't want too much investigation while the truth is still available either.
A century from now might be a whole different time.

Tom

 

[Shuttlecraft]

Yep, you can polish that turd all you want! It's still a turd.

You mean the Bible mate? Which bit of this is a turd?-
"Love one another, feed the hungry, house the homeless, clothe the destitute, tend the sick, visit the prisoners, look after the poor"-Jesus of Nazareth (Mark 12:30, John 13:34, Matt 25: 37-40)

 

[Shuttlecraft]

(re Australian churches) Its taken almost to a century to get rid of these anachronistic symbols of the past..

Now go the whole hog and give Oz back to the aborigines..

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

You mean the Bible mate? Which bit of this is a turd?-
"Love one another, feed the hungry, house the homeless, clothe the destitute, tend the sick, visit the prisoners, look after the poor"-Jesus of Nazareth (Mark 12:30, John 13:34, Matt 25: 37-40)

Just the parts about god and jesus.

 

[Iti oj]

Just the parts about god and jesus.

We could play the bible quote game. Judges 21

 

[Shuttlecraft]

..Then you only show them to the gullible and uninformed people you think might want to join your club for a small fee..

Hold it right there Jack, Christianity was never about making money from it, or for control; that's just another conspiracy theory that can be easily shot down by these two full metal-jacketted verses..-
"Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit...be shepherds of God’s flock that is under your care, not lording it over those entrusted to you" (2 Cor 2:17,1 Peter 5:2-3)


Shuttlecraft: he shoots, he scores!

 

[Iti oj]

Hold it right there Jack, nobody invented Christianity to make money from it, or for control; that's just another conspiracy theory that can be easily shot down by these two full metal-jacketted verse..-
"Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit...be shepherds of God’s flock that is under your care, not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (2 Cor 2:17,1 Peter 5:2-3)

Shuttlecraft: he shoots, he scores!

And the evidence of that claims truthfulness?

 

[columbus]

Hold it right there Jack, Christianity was never about making money from it, or for control; that's just another conspiracy theory that can be easily shot down by these two full metal-jacketted verses..-
"Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit...be shepherds of God’s flock that is under your care, not lording it over those entrusted to you" (2 Cor 2:17,1 Peter 5:2-3)


Shuttlecraft: he shoots, he scores!

How would anybody know even a few years later, much less you? Maybe Christianity was despised at the time, which it was, because the leaders were already corrupt.

Tom

 

[columbus]

Hold it right there Jack, Christianity was never about making money from it, or for control; that's just another conspiracy theory that can be easily shot down by these two full metal-jacketted verses..-
"Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit...be shepherds of God’s flock that is under your care, not lording it over those entrusted to you" (2 Cor 2:17,1 Peter 5:2-3)


Shuttlecraft: he shoots, he scores!

I'm not sure why you think the ancient Christians were noticeably different from the modern ones, like the Pope, Billy Graham, and Sarah Palin etc etc

Tom

 

[Shuttlecraft]

"Early christians were in it for money and power" is simply conspiracy-theory number 4,818, keep 'em coming guys, you're FUNNY..

 

[columbus]

"Early christians were in it for money and power" is simply conspiracy-theory number 4,818, keep 'em coming guys..

ObL wasn't in it for money and power. He was already a rich Sunni in Saudi Arabia.

So let's go back to your claim that Christianity was not known to be fiction by the locals.

What kind of reception is Jesus reported getting in His hometown?

Tom

 

[Shuttlecraft]

..What kind of reception is Jesus reported getting in His hometown?

Not sure what you're getting at mate, but it's common knowledge they tried to chuck him over a cliff for 'blasphemy' (Luke 4:29)