Male Abortion (should man have the right to abort)

[ChristineM]

That would be the obvious exception.

I would say that would be an obvious exception.

 

[Spiderman]

This is an interesting thread.

I kind of changed my view.

A man needs to "man up" and take some financial responsibility for the result of his actions, in this situation.

I'm glad I will not have sex outside of marriage again. I also don't think my kind should be reproducing.

Not all are called to have sex. I have strong suspicion I am one of them.

 

[epronovost]

The logic is: if woman have the right to decide not to be mothers and have the right to avoid such responsability, why can’t men have the same right and decide not to be fathers.

To make a long story short, a woman can abort because it doesn't harm anybody and involve only herself. A man cannot ''abort'' in such a fashion since it can hurt someone, more specifically a child. I would also like to note that giving money for a child's wellbeing isn't the same as being a child's father or mother. Nobody can force a man to be a father, but he might be forced to pay a certain amount to ensure the wellbeing a child he is responsible for.

 

[The Hammer]

This is an interesting thread.

I kind of changed my view.

A man needs to "man up" and take some financial responsibility for the result of his actions, in this situation.

I'm glad I will not have sex outside of marriage again. I also don't think my kind should be reproducing.

Not all are called to have sex. I have strong suspicion I am one of them.

Your kind?

 

[VoidCat]

Your kind?

I was wondering the same thing...

Kinda reminds me of how my aunt said no one in my family should reproduce due to the massive amount of mental disorders and health conditions common in my family. And I in particular shouldn't cuz im autistic. I don't know if that's what Spider meant...i do know some folk shouldn't have kids but that has nothing to due with genetics or health conditions and everything to due with how those folks would treat their kids if they had them.

 

[PureX]

That's why it needs to be taken on a case by case basis.

I don't really see why you think "we" need to have anything to do with it.

 

[1213]

Sure the man should have a say but ultimately it is the womans body

If children are women’s body, you are also some woman’s body and the woman is allowed to kill you, if she feels you are annoying?

I think it is ridiculous and irrational to claim that babies are woman’s body.

 

[Sand Dancer]

If you don't want a baby don't stick it in.

Humans are one of a few species that has sex for pleasure. If sex was only for babies, women would go into heat like most female mammals. Therein lies the rub.

 

[Sand Dancer]

That would be the obvious exception.

Not everyone thinks so.

 

[Rival]

Humans are one of a few species that has sex for pleasure. If sex was only for babies, women would go into heat like most female mammals. Therein lies the rub.

I'm being hyperbolic, but I think we should accept that having sex can lead to having children and if one is not prepared for that, you'd best prepare. Even with contraception it happens. We can't take reproduction away from sex and one has to be cognisant each time one does it that it could lead to pregnancy; if one isn't prepared for that, I don't think one is prepared to have sex. I think abortion is murder so that's not an option for me.

 

[Sand Dancer]

I'm being hyperbolic, but I think we should accept that having sex can lead to having children and if one is not prepared for that, you'd best prepare. Even with contraception it happens. We can't take reproduction away from sex and one has to be cognisant each time one does it that it could lead to pregnancy; if one isn't prepared for that, I don't think one is prepared to have sex. I think abortion is murder so that's not an option for me.

I agree. It's not something to take lightly, but sadly, by the time your clothes are off, rational thought goes out the window.

 

[ChristineM]

If children are women’s body, you are also some woman’s body and the woman is allowed to kill you, if she feels you are annoying?

I think it is ridiculous and irrational to claim that babies are woman’s body.

And if eggs were elephants they would be too big for breakfast. We are not talking if but reality.

The woman has to gestate the fetus. When you can do that then come back and we'll talk about it again

 

[leroy]

Sure the man should have a say but ultimately it is the womans body

The question in the post is: should men have the right to abandon the child (and the woman) without paying any sort of pension or child support?

If the father doesn’t want be a father can he avoid the responsibility of taking care of the child?

 

[Vee]

Male Abortion (should men have the right to abort)

Male abortion, also called paper abortion, is a concept that suggests the men should be free to decide if they want to be fathers or not.

In other words, if the woman gets pregnant and she doesn’t whant to abort, the man should have the right to abandon the child, and not pay any kind of pension, child support nor anything of that sort

The logic is: if woman have the right to decide not to be mothers and have the right to avoid such responsability, why can’t men have the same right and decide not to be fathers.

I am personally against men and women aborting, but my question is if you are a person who is pro-abortion do you support both type of abortion?

I don't think that should be called abortion. It's a form of abandonment. The child would still be allowed to live, just without the support of a father. It already happens a lot.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Male Abortion (should men have the right to abort)

Male abortion, also called paper abortion, is a concept that suggests the men should be free to decide if they want to be fathers or not.

In other words, if the woman gets pregnant and she doesn’t whant to abort, the man should have the right to abandon the child, and not pay any kind of pension, child support nor anything of that sort

The logic is: if woman have the right to decide not to be mothers and have the right to avoid such responsability, why can’t men have the same right and decide not to be fathers.

I am personally against men and women aborting, but my question is if you are a person who is pro-abortion do you support both type of abortion?

I'm prolife. The man and the woman should both oppose abortion.

 

[ChristineM]

The question in the post is: should men have the right to abandon the child (and the woman) without paying any sort of pension or child support?

If the father doesn’t want be a father can he avoid the responsibility of taking care of the child?

I think, like the court, he was happy to dip his wick then he should pay his share for the result

However he's should also have his say on whether the woman should have an abortion or not.

But running off because he hasn't got the balls to handle responsibility and calling that a male abortion says more about the character of the male than you would think and is cowardly

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Male Abortion (should men have the right to abort)

Male abortion, also called paper abortion, is a concept that suggests the men should be free to decide if they want to be fathers or not.

In other words, if the woman gets pregnant and she doesn’t whant to abort, the man should have the right to abandon the child, and not pay any kind of pension, child support nor anything of that sort

The logic is: if woman have the right to decide not to be mothers and have the right to avoid such responsability, why can’t men have the same right and decide not to be fathers.

I am personally against men and women aborting, but my question is if you are a person who is pro-abortion do you support both type of abortion?

It works like this:

- the most important concern is bodily security and autonomy: nobody should be forced to be pregnant or end their pregnancy against their will.

- with that taken care of, the second-most important concern is the best interests of the child. If a child exists and needs food, clothes, etc., these things need to be paid for somehow.

- only after those two concerns are addressed would the financial interests of the father come into play.

 

[leroy]

That sounds fair enough. I can imagine the woman however, bemoaning he got her pregnant in the first place and now she's on her own.

The problem is that “ child support” is the child´s right (not the mother´s right) the money is for the child

Children have the right to have a shelter, food, etc. so ether

1 we force parents to provide such support

2 let the child alone without support from his father

3 or we all pay more taxes to support those children

In my opinion, option 1 is the best alternative, men should take bullet and support the child even if they don’t want to be a father……….

Woman should have the right to give their child to adoption even if that represents “gender inequality” (I don’t support abortion)

 

[leroy]

But running off because he hasn't got the balls to handle responsibility and calling that a male abortion says more about the character of the male than you would think and is cowardly

But should we forcé the father to be a father and support his children?

Shouldt the father be legally obligated? (Despite the fact that woman don’t have that obligation)

I say yes, because the child’s right to have shelter and food, trumps any “gender inequality” that might rise from it.

 

[leroy]

As to taking responsibility for the child's well-being after birth, that falls to both parents.

But even after birth the woman has the right to give the child in adoption, ………so should the father was the legal right to say “hey if you don’t what to give the child to a foster family that is ok with me, but don’t expect any financial support”

Or should we force the father to pay for support (even if this represents gender inequality?--------(I will go for this last option)