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Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
This strikes me as - at best - cultural bias trying to make itself out to be some sort of universal truth.


Unfortunately, I agree. masculinity and femininity are culturally based.

What is repressed in a culture, ends up becoming part of the shadow.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
How presumptuous of you to assume that you know the mind of God.

How did God tell you that he disagrees with gender reassignment surgery? What other opinions did he share in this conversation?
God is clear about "gender reassignment surgery". Gender is determined by biology, specifically, physical makeup and genetics. No matter all the slicing and dicing, repression of one hormone and dosing with another, the DNA of the cells doesn't change. DNA is the expression of Gods intent for the functioning, i.e. gender, of the body. There are very rare cases where anomaly's occur, again, rare
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
No, a deformity is not changing something as basic as sex. If you remove a growth on your arm, you have not changed anything because it was not supposed to be there. If you remove a growth between your legs and say you are not a male, you are trying to change something that was supposed to be there. It would be better to change your mind and accept what God gave you then to try to change your body.

Special pleading.

How do you know that that growth on your arm was not intended to be there?

You might say because that is not the norm to have a growth on your arm, but then it is not the norm either that people want to change sex.

So, why is one ok and the other is not?

After all, if God can make mistakes with growths of several kind, it is question begging to claim that some are mistakes and others are not.

Ciao

- viole
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Yeah, and one of those "anomalies" is transsexualism. It's a medical disorder and is treated as such.
If you are referring to a person born with both male and female physical traits, I agree. A person who is clearly a male or female by biology who "identifies" as the opposite sex cannot become the opposite sex. Bruce Jenner is still a male biologically, if you choose to partake of his fantasy fine, me, no, I won't do it, I prefer reality.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
If you are referring to a person born with both male and female physical traits, I agree. A person who is clearly a male or female by biology who "identifies" as the opposite sex cannot become the opposite sex. Bruce Jenner is still a male biologically, if you choose to partake of his fantasy fine, me, no, I won't do it, I prefer reality.
Actually, transsexuals aren't "clearly" the sex assigned at birth, according to biology. There are brain differences, genes associated with male-to-female transsexuals (I would assume the same with female-to-male transsexuals, such as myself), digit ratio differences and so on. Sex is a spectrum, according to biology, not a binary.
 

ZooGirl02

Well-Known Member
Do you have sex dysphoria? No. Are you a doctor? No. Do you know anything about the subject? No. Be quiet, then. Your opinion about it is irrelevant.

Just because someone has sex or gender dysphoria does not make their opinion on the matter irrelevant. I don't have an addiction to drugs but I can still have a valid opinion on drug addiction.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Just because someone has sex or gender dysphoria does not make their opinion on the matter irrelevant. I don't have an addiction to drugs but I can still have a valid opinion on drug addiction.
When you have no idea of what you're talking about, it can invalidate your opinion. There's fact-based opinions and then there's straight up nonsense.
 

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
In the Book of Genesis is God male "and" female, or male "or" female?
I would assume that god would have to encompass both masculine and feminine aspects.

But I also would assume that god is genderless. It's sort of like wondering what color hair god has. Why would we assume he even has hair, let alone in a color we'd consider normal?
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
I would assume that god would have to encompass both masculine and feminine aspects.

But I also would assume that god is genderless. It's sort of like wondering what color hair god has. Why would we assume he even has hair, let alone in a color we'd consider normal?

God is undefinable for me. God can have many aspects/facets but none of those are permanent. It can be compared to the idea of a wave on the ocean. It arises, it falls, it returns from whence it came. For a moment in time it has form and then it's absorbed back into the formless from which it came.


god is no thing but god is not nothing.
 

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
God is undefinable for me. God can have many aspects/facets but none of those are permanent. It can be compared to the idea of a wave on the ocean. It arises, it falls, it returns from whence it came. For a moment in time it has form and then it's absorbed back into the formless from which it came.

god is no thing but god is not nothing.
I really like that imagery.
 

Cobol

Code Jockey
God has no gender at all, and would not take on the form of human, animal or inanimate thing on earth. It would make no sense biologically, sexually or culturally if god had a gender. He and she are appropriate pronouns for species with two sexes. We have no right to assume to call god by any gender based on the characteristics of humans. God is not a he or she, but an it.
 
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Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
I really like that imagery.


1 In the genesis God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

3 And God said, "Let there be insight(light),” and there was awareness of self(light). 4 And God saw that the understanding(light) was good. And God separated the mindful(light) from the ignorance(darkness).5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.


christ consciousness is an impression upon the infinite mind.


[ The Lamb and the 144,000 ] Then I looked, and behold, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads.

They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads.





1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name’s sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. 4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. 7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Already have.
No, you didn't.

It can't be done except in certain rare cases, the genes assign the sex and they cannot be altered
What "can't be done"?

Step me through whatever you're trying to say:

1. We can't change our genes.
2. Therefore, ___________.
3. Therefore, God is clearly opposed to gender reassignment surgery.

What goes in that blank? Take as much time as you need.
 
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