Man made religion

[Unveiled Artist]

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( Didn't the unbelievers see that, heavens and earth were joint together before We separate them and We made from water every living thing. Are they not believing yet? Noble Quran 21:30

the scientists of the west who were not believing in Islam put the Big Bang theory and the German scientists who discovered that 70% of the cell is water were afforded Noble prize. This was not discovered by Islam scientists and it was said more than 15 centuries back, when Europe was in dead darkness. How this can come from a human specially when you know that, the man (Mohammed) who said: this Quran was revealed to me from God, was unlettered.
definitely if Islam Scientists discover this, this would nullify the whole Quran. Of course it is all divine. No falsehood can tarnish Quran in his past history nor in the future to come

Many scientist already found out life was from water before Muhammad existed. These scientists werent from Islam though. Such studies Muhammad wouldnt have know since he wasnt from that area (will get it later) from that time period.

Many supernatural religions are based on syncrinicity, high level of coinsedence, personal intepretation, and written testimony.

Some religions, say Hindu, doesnt depend on books to experience god. On that note, it would be nice to hear how they see their views of god. Do they see man-made as something negative when defining god, I dont know. I was hoping this question wasnt just for abrahamics.

What is religion apart from man (Muhammad included)?

Can you explain a god-religion that has no phophet nor define by divine interpretation of a man?

Assuming I cant talk to Muhammad and ask him if what you say of him is true.

Also, you must must put commentary to any scripture you post. I dont believe god exists so my interpretation would be different than yours. Scripture does not speak for itself.

 

[RedDragon94]

How do you seperate your reason from revelation?

How do you not? It's the infinite mind of God versus my finite mind.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

How do you not? It's the infinite mind of God versus my finite mind.

I dont see them seperate. I never understood that. Its dividing one's soul in two because part of the self has one function and equally the other part has another.

If there is no reasoning, infinite anything doesnt make sense. You wouldnt be able to discribe its nature and traits because you would say that it cant be discribed by finite mind. Therefore, existence of god is pretty much out the window.

When you combine the two, god speaks to through you and whatever finite reason you have is good because the other of that makes that finite good is by the voice of god. The voice of god speaks through a finite mind in a way it understands the nature of god and express it via mind,body, "and" spirit.

When you seperate, you take away the vehicle in which god can speak to where you understand. Not just your heart but your mind and body too. It all goes together.

 

[RedDragon94]

I dont see them seperate. I never understood that. Its dividing one's soul in two because part of the self has one function and equally the other part has another.

If there is no reasoning, infinite anything doesnt make sense. You wouldnt be able to discribe its nature and traits because you would say that it cant be discribed by finite mind. Therefore, existence of god is pretty much out the window.

Unless that God revealed the concept of infinitude to finite creatures. Then it makes perfect sense. I didn't say there was no concept of infinitude in the mind of man, all I'm saying is that we cannot experience infinity.

 

[RedDragon94]

When you combine the two, god speaks to through you and whatever finite reason you have is good because the other of that makes that finite good is by the voice of god. The voice of god speaks through a finite mind in a way it understands the nature of god and express it via mind,body, "and" spirit.

When you seperate, you take away the vehicle in which god can speak to where you understand. Not just your heart but your mind and body too. It all goes together.

Then where does the voice of God begin and end?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Then where does the voice of God begin and end?

It doesnt. There is no beginning and ending. That view, linear, is not shared by a lot of people, really. The idea is we are embedded in. But not all god/s believers see it that way. Depends.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

How do you not? It's the infinite mind of God versus my finite mind.

Cant seperate god whose embedded in you. Your body speaks and is embedded in god and vis versa. Some call it spirit. When you seperate your finite mind from god, youre spliting only way god can communicate to you. Without that spirit, there is no god. Its the spirit within all living. Thats why our finite mind can perceive the nature and existence of god, because of spirit.

If youre talking of god, a being, I dont believe that exists.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Here's the rub. When people try to make something seem more than it really is it makes us think that they are not being honest. For example, if you say that you talk with someone you are trying to give the impression that those interactions are the same as talking to a fellow human being. But is that true? No. So why try to portray it as something it is not? Why be dishonest?

What are you asking? I said 97% of people are theists, and de facto according to skeptics, delusional. What does that have to do with this comment of yours?

 

[RedDragon94]

It doesnt. There is no beginning and ending. That view, linear, is not shared by a lot of people, really. The idea is we are embedded in. But not all god/s believers see it that way. Depends.

What does it depend on?

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

What are you asking? I said 97% of people are theists, and de facto according to skeptics, delusional. What does that have to do with this comment of yours?

You said:

"Would you rather read a book only or talk to the author who wrote the book? Jesus advocates relationship utterly, and within the non-Pauline books, too!"

Do you think you talk to the author or authors of the Bible?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

What does it depend on?

What? God?

Nothing. Everything and all living live within god and god in all things and living. No beginning to a circle. Life is one big cycle. It depends on the person how they want to see it. Some people really want a origin so they have purpose to their existence. Some live with the comfort that nothing ends nor begins; so, they have many chances to get things right and closer either to the source or as a state of being that understands the source.

Source meaning the drive embedded in life. The motor not a engineer.

 

[Baroodi]

Many scientist already found out life was from water before Muhammad existed. These scientists werent from Islam though. Such studies Muhammad wouldnt have know since he wasnt from that area (will get it later) from that time period.

Many supernatural religions are based on syncrinicity, high level of coinsedence, personal intepretation, and written testimony.

Some religions, say Hindu, doesnt depend on books to experience god. On that note, it would be nice to hear how they see their views of god. Do they see man-made as something negative when defining god, I dont know. I was hoping this question wasnt just for abrahamics.

What is religion apart from man (Muhammad included)?

Can you explain a god-religion that has no phophet nor define by divine interpretation of a man?

Assuming I cant talk to Muhammad and ask him if what you say of him is true.

Also, you must must put commentary to any scripture you post. I dont believe god exists so my interpretation would be different than yours. Scripture does not speak for itself.

I can give you every day a new fact about scientific hint in Quran to refute the synchronicity allegation. Definitely you can describe something as synchronous if it occur once or twice but not in this intensity as in Quran. Ponder over it and don't hide your head in the sands

some scientist postulate that; the earth was created dry and the water was transported from the heavens via meteors. Verses in Quran support the idea of dry earth theory and the idea that earth water was descended from heavens but it no clue how. Read these
(And God descended water from Heavens by which he revived the earth after its death. Verily in this are signs for those who listen) 16;65
(And We descended from the sky calculated water and We gave it residence in the earth . And indeed We can take it off)

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I can give you every day a new fact about scientific hint in Quran to refute the synchronicity allegation. Definitely you can describe something as synchronous if it occur once or twice but not in this intensity as in Quran. Ponder over it and don't hide your head in the sands

some scientist postulate that; the earth was created dry and the water was transported from the heavens via meteors. Verses in Quran support the idea of dry earth theory and the idea that earth water was descended from heavens but it no clue how. Read these
(And God descended water from Heavens by which he revived the earth after its death. Verily in this are signs for those who listen) 16;65
(And We descended from the sky calculated water and We gave it residence in the earth . And indeed We can take it off)

I wanna talk about syncronicity since Im not familar with the inner workings of the Quran just the bible.

Supernatural religions are based on (whichever list applies to a said religion over another)

Syncronicity (syn*):

the simultaneous occurrence of events that appear significantly related but have no discernible causal connection.

Syn* is not negative. It does not say these appearance of said events happen once or twice. Many people experience syn* events all the time. Its not supernatural and definitely not god. Its how our brain percieve information based on our beliefs, views, experiences, and interpretations that makes what you think is an event coming from god, Id say its from a reflection of your karma. No one is wrong because syn* events are not proven why the two events apear simular. Its the interpretation of the person having it lets them attribute the occurance from god or just life itself.

One atheist on RF explained a unexplainable experience. He didnt belittle it as mundane but he didnt attribute it to god either. One christian said: "you have this experience and you yet to believe in god"....

THAT tells me that these syn* experiences are shared by many people. Some say its from god, others do not. Nothing wrong with that.

prophecies

When you see phophecies fulfilled, it is not a fact. Facts are when there is a clear connection between an something given and it can be studied and observed by all. It isnt dependent on the belief of a person just the ability to find resource, tools, and knowledge of the fact observed. Its universal.

Phrophecies are not. Name a prophecy that has been fulfilled that is so recognizable it is written in our history books as a prophecy and not two simular events that can have multiple interpretations based on the specialists and layman involved.

Testimonies suchbas Muhammads is not different because of time period. If god speaks to all people at what point in time he just stopped making prophets and talk to people directly?

Religion is not a fact vs. fiction thing. It is a fact many religious experience syn* experiences they say its from the gods, spirits, force, so have you; thats fine.

I experienced these things too.

The difference is I know these experiences are not isolated from my mind and views of it. I choose to be grateful for these blessings and experiences and, like many, do not need to have god, prophets, and scripture to experience anything we dont call mundane.

It depends on the person. Syn* is not bad.

Why is that a hot word for you?

What do you think it means in relation to your rejection of the word being aplied to your beliefs?

 

[BilliardsBall]

You said:

"Would you rather read a book only or talk to the author who wrote the book? Jesus advocates relationship utterly, and within the non-Pauline books, too!"

Do you think you talk to the author or authors of the Bible?

My belief is that Jesus inspired the whole text. God wrote more than one book within.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

My belief is that Jesus inspired the whole text. God wrote more than one book within.

You acted as if you talked to the authors or author of the Bible. You can understand why someone would be a bit skeptical of that.

 

[Baroodi]

I wanna talk about syncronicity since Im not familar with the inner workings of the Quran just the bible.

Supernatural religions are based on (whichever list applies to a said religion over another)

Syncronicity (syn*):

the simultaneous occurrence of events that appear significantly related but have no discernible causal connection.

Syn* is not negative. It does not say these appearance of said events happen once or twice. Many people experience syn* events all the time. Its not supernatural and definitely not god. Its how our brain percieve information based on our beliefs, views, experiences, and interpretations that makes what you think is an event coming from god, Id say its from a reflection of your karma. No one is wrong because syn* events are not proven why the two events apear simular. Its the interpretation of the person having it lets them attribute the occurance from god or just life itself.

One atheist on RF explained a unexplainable experience. He didnt belittle it as mundane but he didnt attribute it to god either. One christian said: "you have this experience and you yet to believe in god"....

THAT tells me that these syn* experiences are shared by many people. Some say its from god, others do not. Nothing wrong with that.

prophecies

When you see phophecies fulfilled, it is not a fact. Facts are when there is a clear connection between an something given and it can be studied and observed by all. It isnt dependent on the belief of a person just the ability to find resource, tools, and knowledge of the fact observed. Its universal.

Phrophecies are not. Name a prophecy that has been fulfilled that is so recognizable it is written in our history books as a prophecy and not two simular events that can have multiple interpretations based on the specialists and layman involved.

Testimonies suchbas Muhammads is not different because of time period. If god speaks to all people at what point in time he just stopped making prophets and talk to people directly?

Religion is not a fact vs. fiction thing. It is a fact many religious experience syn* experiences they say its from the gods, spirits, force, so have you; thats fine.

I experienced these things too.

The difference is I know these experiences are not isolated from my mind and views of it. I choose to be grateful for these blessings and experiences and, like many, do not need to have god, prophets, and scripture to experience anything we dont call mundane.

It depends on the person. Syn* is not bad.

Why is that a hot word for you?

I don't know from where you got these definitions?

anyhow two events to happen simultaneously can be labelled as significant or in significant by the math of probability




I don't

What do you think it means in relation to your rejection of the word being aplied to your beliefs?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You didnt close the quote

 

[BilliardsBall]

You acted as if you talked to the authors or author of the Bible. You can understand why someone would be a bit skeptical of that.

I understand a healthy amount of skepticism, having been a pre-Christian skeptic. I don't understand anyone who looks to fallible men as the repository of all knowledge and wisdom, rather than seeking man's Creator for wisdom, blessing and love.

 

[paarsurrey]

Man-made religion

I believe Main-made religions are those religions who do not base their religion on Word of Revelation from G-d .
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