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Man made traditions from the Church or the Word of God - Who do you believe and follow?

roberto

Active Member
Colossians 2:16-17 Living Bible (TLB)
So don’t let anyone criticize you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating Jewish holidays and feasts or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. For these were only temporary rules that ended when Christ came. They were only shadows of the real thing—of Christ himself.

So don’t let anyone criticize you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating Jewish holidays and feasts or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths.

As if Christians EVER did any of the above, and you now use this verse and try to make it apply to Christians?


:)
 

roberto

Active Member
Some use Sola Scripture for one point, and break it for the next thousand.

In Christianity the Sabbath came to mean the Sunday, the first day of the week. However there is no commandment
to this effect in the NT. A reference to the "Sabbath's rest" in Hebrews 4:9-10 doesn't refer to a day but the spiritual
condition of resting from one's works.

But the "first day of the week" was symbolic to Christians because it was the day that Jesus rose from the grave.
"Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which
they had prepared, and certain others with them. And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre
." Beginning
with this Sunday, Jesus guided His disciples to gather every Sunday. Jesus appeared to the disciples on the following
Sunday. It was on another Sunday (seven weeks after the resurrection) that the Holy Spirit appeared to the church on
the day of Pentecost


Those that join themselves to Israel, are to keep the Sabbath on Saturday as twice instructed in Acts.

Others are heathen/non believers.
 

roberto

Active Member
They spiritualized Israel to be Christians - better
become a Jew.
.

a Jew is only part of the tribe of Judah.

Israel has 12 tribes and "joiners from the Nations"

Read Romans 11 with open eyes.

By the way, there are no Christians in the Olive tree and non in the City coming down from heaven.

Rev 21:10 He carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God..

The City has twelve gates of which non is marked as "Christian- entrance" ...

Eze 48:31 and the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel,......(no or non church)

Rev 21:12 having a great and high wall; having twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels; and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel.

So, if you want to enter, you need to join.;)
 
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exchemist

Veteran Member
Your jesus; the new god eh?

Christians do not believe what is written in the "new testament" even if one shows them.
You've missed the point of my post. Bu judging by the quality of the rest of your responses on this thread it is not worth trying to discuss with you.
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
a Jew is only part of the tribe of Judah.

Israel has 12 tribes and "joiners from the Nations"

Read Romans 11 with open eyes.

By the way, there are no Christians in the Olive tree and non in the City coming down from heaven.

Rev 21:10 He carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God..

The City has twelve gates of which non is marked as "Christian- entrance" ...

Eze 48:31 and the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel,......(no or non church)

Rev 21:12 having a great and high wall; having twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels; and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel.

So, if you want to enter, you need to join.;)

So these ten lost tribes - do you think they became a part of the Muslim world?
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
Wow! Properly brain washed.:)
Thanks for the enlightening post. I am sure you will wake up many people who are "brainwashed" with great posts like these. :rolleyes:

No one can receive anything unless it's given to them from above.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
We have kind of gone off track from the OP....

The challenge I am putting up here in this OP is for anyone to show even one scripture that says God's 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) which was spoken and written by God himself to his people, has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday (or the first day of the week) as a Holy day.

Can anyone please show me where in all the bible does is say (SOLA SCRIPTURA; Scripture only please)...

1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

No one has really addressed anything in the OP as yet o_O
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
Continuing from biblical history in the new testament. Historical proof of the Sabbath being kept unbroken and continued from the bible to the First century to the Sixteenth century already provided in this thread. We are up to the seventeenth century..

Sabbath Observance - The Seventeenth Century A.D.

ENGLAND-1618
"At last for teaching only five days in the week, and resting upon Saturday she was carried to the new prison in Maiden Lane, a place then appointed for the restraint of several other persons of different opinions from the Church of England. Mrs. Traske lay fifteen or sixteen years a prisoner for her opinion about the Saturday Sabbath." Pagitt's "Heresiography." p.196

ENGLAND-1668
"Here in England are about nine or ten churches that keep the Sabbath, besides many scattered disciples, who have eminently preserved." Stennet's letters, 1668 and 1670. Cox, Sab.,1, 268

HUNGARY, RUMANIA
"But as they rejected Sunday and rested on the Sabbath, Prince Sigmond Bathory ordered their persecution. Pechi advanced to position of chancellor of state and next in line to throne of Transylvania. He studied his Bible, and composed a number of hymns, mostly in honour of the Sabbath. Pechi was arrested and died in 1640.

SWEDEN AND FINLAND
"We can trace these opinions over almost the whole extent of Sweden of that day-from Finland and northern Sweden. "In the district of Upsala the farmers kept Saturday in place of Sunday. "About the year 1625 this religious tendency became so pronounced in these countries that not only large numbers of the common people began to keep Saturday as the rest day, but even many priests did the same." History of the Swedish Church, Vol.I, p.256

MUSCOVIT RUSSIAN CHURCH
"They solemnize Saturday (the old Sabbath). Samuel Purchase- "His Pilgrims." Vol. I, p. 350

INDIA (Jacobites)-1625
"They kept Saturday holy. They have solemn service on Saturdays." Pilgrimmes, Part 2, p.1269

AMERICA-1664
"Stephen Mumford, the first Sabbath-keeper in America come from London in 1664." History of the Seventh-day Baptist Gen. Conf. by Jas. Bailey, pp. 237, 238

AMERICA-1671 (Seventh-day Baptists)
"Broke from Baptist Church in order to keep Sabbath." See Bailey's History, pp. 9,10

ENGLAND
Charles I,1647 (when querying the Parliament Commissioners) "For it will not be found in Scripture where Saturday is no longer to be kept, or turned into the Sunday wherefore it must be the Church's authority that changed the one and instituted the other." Cox, "Sabbath Laws," p.333

ENGLAND-John Milton
"It will surely be far safer to observe the seventh day, according to express commandment of God, than on the authority of mere human conjecture to adopt the first." Sab. Lit. 2, 46-54

ENGLAND
"Upon the publication of the 'Book of Sports' in 1618 a violent controversy arose among English divines on two points: first, whether the Sabbath of the fourth commandment was in force; and, secondly, on what ground the first day of the week was entitled to be observed as 'the Sabbath.'" Haydn's Dictionary of Dates, art. "Sabbatarians." p.602

ETHIOPIA-1604
Jesuits tried to induce the Abyssinian church to accept Roman Catholicism. They influenced King Zadenghel to propose to submit to the Papacy (A.D.1604). "Prohibiting all his subjects, upon severe penalties, to observe Saturday any longer." Gedde's "Church History of Ethiopia." p.311, also Gibbon's "Decline and Fall," ch. 47

BOHEMIA, MORAVIA, SWITZERLAND, GERMANY
"one of the counsellors and lords of the court was John Gerendi, head of the Sabbatarians, a people who did not keep Sunday, but Saturday." Lamy, "The History of Socinianism." p. 60

TELEGRAPH PRINT, NAPIER
The inscription on the monument over the grave of Dr. Peter Chamberlain, physician to King James and Queen Anne, King Charles I and Queen Katherine says that Dr. Chamberlain was "a Christian keeping the commandment of God and the faith of Jesus, being baptised about the year 1648, and keeping the seventh day for the Sabbath above thirty-two years."

Will continue to the 20th century soon....
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Those that join themselves to Israel, are to keep the Sabbath on Saturday as twice instructed in Acts.

Others are heathen/non believers.

I believe I am a born again Christian and Jesus has never had a problem with me worshiping on Sunday. I believe you are a pharisee choking on gnats and swallowing camels.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
@metis continuing from the 16th century...

Sabbath Observance - The Seventeenth Century A.D.

ENGLAND-1618
"At last for teaching only five days in the week, and resting upon Saturday she was carried to the new prison in Maiden Lane, a place then appointed for the restraint of several other persons of different opinions from the Church of England. Mrs. Traske lay fifteen or sixteen years a prisoner for her opinion about the Saturday Sabbath." Pagitt's "Heresiography." p.196

ENGLAND-1668
"Here in England are about nine or ten churches that keep the Sabbath, besides many scattered disciples, who have eminently preserved." Stennet's letters, 1668 and 1670. Cox, Sab.,1, 268

HUNGARY, RUMANIA
"But as they rejected Sunday and rested on the Sabbath, Prince Sigmond Bathory ordered their persecution. Pechi advanced to position of chancellor of state and next in line to throne of Transylvania. He studied his Bible, and composed a number of hymns, mostly in honour of the Sabbath. Pechi was arrested and died in 1640.

SWEDEN AND FINLAND
"We can trace these opinions over almost the whole extent of Sweden of that day-from Finland and northern Sweden. "In the district of Upsala the farmers kept Saturday in place of Sunday. "About the year 1625 this religious tendency became so pronounced in these countries that not only large numbers of the common people began to keep Saturday as the rest day, but even many priests did the same." History of the Swedish Church, Vol.I, p.256

MUSCOVIT RUSSIAN CHURCH
"They solemnize Saturday (the old Sabbath). Samuel Purchase- "His Pilgrims." Vol. I, p. 350

INDIA (Jacobites)-1625
"They kept Saturday holy. They have solemn service on Saturdays." Pilgrimmes, Part 2, p.1269

AMERICA-1664
"Stephen Mumford, the first Sabbath-keeper in America come from London in 1664." History of the Seventh-day Baptist Gen. Conf. by Jas. Bailey, pp. 237, 238

AMERICA-1671 (Seventh-day Baptists)
"Broke from Baptist Church in order to keep Sabbath." See Bailey's History, pp. 9,10

ENGLAND
Charles I,1647 (when querying the Parliament Commissioners) "For it will not be found in Scripture where Saturday is no longer to be kept, or turned into the Sunday wherefore it must be the Church's authority that changed the one and instituted the other." Cox, "Sabbath Laws," p.333

ENGLAND-John Milton
"It will surely be far safer to observe the seventh day, according to express commandment of God, than on the authority of mere human conjecture to adopt the first." Sab. Lit. 2, 46-54

ENGLAND
"Upon the publication of the 'Book of Sports' in 1618 a violent controversy arose among English divines on two points: first, whether the Sabbath of the fourth commandment was in force; and, secondly, on what ground the first day of the week was entitled to be observed as 'the Sabbath.'" Haydn's Dictionary of Dates, art. "Sabbatarians." p.602

ETHIOPIA-1604
Jesuits tried to induce the Abyssinian church to accept Roman Catholicism. They influenced King Zadenghel to propose to submit to the Papacy (A.D.1604). "Prohibiting all his subjects, upon severe penalties, to observe Saturday any longer." Gedde's "Church History of Ethiopia." p.311, also Gibbon's "Decline and Fall," ch. 47

BOHEMIA, MORAVIA, SWITZERLAND, GERMANY
"one of the counsellors and lords of the court was John Gerendi, head of the Sabbatarians, a people who did not keep Sunday, but Saturday." Lamy, "The History of Socinianism." p. 60

TELEGRAPH PRINT, NAPIER
The inscription on the monument over the grave of Dr. Peter Chamberlain, physician to King James and Queen Anne, King Charles I and Queen Katherine says that Dr. Chamberlain was "a Christian keeping the commandment of God and the faith of Jesus, being baptised about the year 1648, and keeping the seventh day for the Sabbath above thirty-two years."

Yep... unbroken since the days of JESUS and the Apostles more to come latter
 
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