Man Who Was Shot Six Times Still Waiting for Surgery Due to the Overwhelming Number of COVID Cases

[Terrywoodenpic]

That's the whole point.

The thing is, people who can't get vaccinated or yet still can spread the virus... so it sounds less about spreading the virus and more about people's decisions you disagree with.

they are totally interlinked one leads to the other.
There are vaccines for all these people. if they are taken the spread will be massively reduced as will hospitalisations.
And if you are at all worried about it, so will the damage to the economy be progressively reduced.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

What's the immediate solution?

We can talk about "they should vaccinate" all day long and look at stats galore but my question still stands.

There really are only two solutions. Either the vast majority get vaccinated, or you keep people away from each other (hard lockdowns). Don't do that, and you just have to put up with spread, illness and more deaths.

And it does seem that there are a lot of people content to let their country, and their neighbours, go through exactly that: infection, illness and death.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

It is absolutely clear from that video that the antivaxxers message had got through to those sick people. and that they had been frightened away from taking the vaccine. when it could have prevented their hospitalisations.

That is very sad indeed. and something the antivaxxers should be thoroughly ashamed about.

That's pretty much the gist but thankfully many unvaccinated aren't buying into this guilt-trip tactic. Personally, it turns me off from getting the vaccine (if I were in limbo) because the last thing I want to see is someone labeled "unvaccinated" and them crying in the hospital trying to get other people to "not be like them."

Maybe numbers can get people to vaccinate but just not all people are driven to make "health" decisions by force, coercion, or over dramatism. It's counterproductive and lack of empathy from people in their local environment doesn't help any more.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I do have a choice, and choose to not generalize


NO, I won't

As I said, your choice.
I have made mine.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

That's pretty much the gist but thankfully many unvaccinated aren't buying into this guilt-trip tactic. Personally, it turns me off from getting the vaccine (if I were in limbo) because the last thing I want to see is someone labeled "unvaccinated" and them crying in the hospital trying to get other people to "not be like them."

Maybe numbers can get people to vaccinate but just not all people are driven to make "health" decisions by force, coercion, or over dramatism. It's counterproductive and lack of empathy from people in their local environment doesn't help anymore.

I am sorry but I will not be visiting you in hospital when that fateful day comes
You live too away to come and say "I told you so"

 

[Unveiled Artist]

they are totally interlinked one leads to the other.
There are vaccines for all these people. if they are taken the spread will be massively reduced as will hospitalisations.
And if you are at all worried about it, so will the damage to the economy be progressively reduced.

There are, just the point was having lack of empathy because people's decisions to not vaccinate just doesn't make sense to me. If there are more unvaccinated people in the hospital than there were before vaccines came about (in other words, unvaccinated people are the cause of the increase in hospitalizations) then who are you really "saving" when thinking of hospital bed shortage?

If you kicked unvaccinated out the hospital for taking up beds, who is left that you guys care about?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I am going to make my tea now.
So I will let everyone ruminate for a while.
However I do not expectanyone to change their minds one iota, while I am away.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

There really are only two solutions. Either the vast majority get vaccinated, or you keep people away from each other (hard lockdowns). Don't do that, and you just have to put up with spread, illness and more deaths.

And it does seem that there are a lot of people content to let their country, and their neighbours, go through exactly that: infection, illness and death.

Once we get every person in the world vaccinated, there would still be breakthroughs and hospital surges cause of the new variants. It's a short-term solution (well, hopeful solution) to a long term problem.

 

[SkepticThinker]

If the guy had a life and death immediate trauma they would focus (rather) on the guy before the COVID patient. COVID patients aren't special cause they have COVID... Beds don't come first come first serve. Unless the hospital is unethical giving beds to COVID cases without half being critical ill, it's by symptom severity.

And what if all the beds are already full of COVID patients?

I mean, this was the whole point in having the lockdowns. So we didn't overwhelm already overwhelmed hospitals and medical services don't completely collapse.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Once we get every person in the world vaccinated, there would still be breakthroughs and hospital surges cause of the new variants. It's a short-term solution (well, hopeful solution) to a long term problem.

Absolutely not. annual vaccinations will be a necessity from now on in to the foreseeable future.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Really! You are prioritizing peoples life's?

Is that not what this thread is really about?

 

[stvdv]

Goodness.

Here's an example.

I think it is worse in USA then where I live. Here in Holland they even said in the newspapers that soon they ditch the 1.5m and masks (masks are already gone now). Seeing the people in the video I must say they look not healthy. Being so much overweight makes you very vulnerable for covid

The average of people in US are much more overweight than here in Holland, hence I think this is 1 cause that USA has more problems with Covid. I am underweight though, that's also bad. I better not get covid now, because my immunesystem is not good. Luckily I live in a small village, and not much covid around here.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Absolutely not. annual vaccinations will be a necessity from now on in to the foreseeable future.

I hope the debate will die down after awhile. I hope.

 

[SkepticThinker]

How do we know of breakthroughs won't surpass present vaccine effectiveness? It's ideal that hospitalizations will slow but I don't see vaxing as a catch solution for a hospital crisis is unrealistic.

Vaccination greatly cuts down the severity of the symptoms, so that the vaccinated won't have to end up taking up all the hospital beds and resources.

Vaccinating is actually a great way to ensure more hospitals resources because the vaccinated won't be clogging up the hospitals, because their symptoms will be great diminished and they won't require hospitalization in the first place.

There is a direct connection between vaccinations and the availability of medical resources.

I feel the mandate would backfire.



If vaccination worked overnight and we had a better odds of success than riding curves, I think many would agree to vaccinate. There is so much vagueness in outcome Im not surprised why the minority would rather wait and see.


I'm wondering if all COVID patients on these hospital beds are in critical condition. They can't turn patients away if there is a bed available so I wonder if it is Just COVID patients or are they highlighting it to encourage vaccination.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I am sorry but I will not be visiting you in hospital when that fateful day comes
You live too away to come and say "I told you so"

This is for any illness, though. If someone dies of cancer because of smoking (and you knew this person well), would you not visit them at the hospital?

Or just COVID even. You tell someone you care about you won't visit them because of their health-related decisions?

I mean not everyone has empathy for strangers (or just strangers they 'choose' to have empathy for) but genuine empathy goes beyond that.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Most hospitals have ER teams, surgically teams, ICU teams, etc.(teams=staff)
So unless they are using their surgically staff to cover for staff caring for covid patients, there is no taking away. And I also doubt surgeon's are working in ICU with covid patients.

I've got a nurse friend that usually works on the maternity ward.
She got called in many months ago to work the ICU because they desperately needed the help.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Immediate solution.

The post you quoted asked for an immediate solution. Once you get every last person on earth vaxxed then what?

Deaths will just drop all of the sudden?

Yes, deaths will drop.
Look at the stats for goodness sakes.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yes, deaths will drop.
Look at the stats for goodness sakes.

hopefully. Dont put all your hopes in stats.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I wonder the percentage of unvaccinated people are left compared to those vaccinated?

All one has to do is look at places like the CDC. Some places have over 60%. Some have less than 40%.
But as a nation it's not where we need it at to get us through to the end.

 

[stvdv]

That's pretty much the gist but thankfully many unvaccinated aren't buying into this guilt-trip tactic. Personally, it turns me off from getting the vaccine (if I were in limbo) because the last thing I want to see is someone labeled "unvaccinated" and them crying in the hospital trying to get other people to "not be like them."

Maybe numbers can get people to vaccinate but just not all people are driven to make "health" decisions by force, coercion, or over dramatism. It's counterproductive and lack of empathy from people in their local environment doesn't help anymore.

Very true.

IF they tell me the truth THEN I am very easy going
IF they try to manipulate me and numbers THEN I stay away from them

BUT IF I feel I need to do something THEN I do it anyway. I trust my conscience and my Guardian Angel
AND I am okay with the consequences it might have

Personally, it turns me off from getting the vaccine (if I were in limbo) because the last thing I want to see is someone labeled "unvaccinated" and them crying in the hospital trying to get other people to "not be like them."

Have you not been vaccinated? In Holland 22 million vaccinations have been given (with population of 17 million people). 121 vaccinations per minute I just read. In Holland 85% wants to get vaccinated, and they expect September 1st to have vaccinated all (who want it)