Man Who Was Shot Six Times Still Waiting for Surgery Due to the Overwhelming Number of COVID Cases

[Shadow Wolf]

Deaths will just drop all of the sudden?

Yeah. They already have. Among the vaccinated, that is. We very rarely die from covid now.
Everybody else though, that everybody else being the unvaccinated, they are still getting seriously ill, going to the hospital, put on ventilators and still dying. Nothing has changed for them, except the presence of a far more contagious and deadly variant known as Delta.
We vaccinated fair way better against that one as well.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The demographic statistic that really jumped out to me are the gender percentages. 64.7% of the Covid cases are male. Texas men are getting covid at nearly twice the rate of Texas women. I wonder why?

Women often take better care of themselves (especially with diet), go to the doctor sooner, and take fewer risks.
I don't find it surprising. Women are even more likely to wash their hands, less likely to die of a terminal illness, and often live longer.

 

[Kenny]

Okay, fine. So who are you taking those surgical resources away from? That's the trick, really. Resources are always limited (never infinite). And that requires that you make choices.

Would you like to do the triage in such a situation?

Triage is an option.... but I didn't say take surgical resources away but rather transfer patience to hospitals who aren't overwhelmed.

 

[Kenny]

IMO:
Some people got priorities wrong here, and lacking empathy. This is too insane for words, and seems more like propaganda to me, so that people start accepting imposed vaccination and giving up our basic rights. Probably the next step is that they want us to give up Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Speech already has gone out of the window quite a bit, with all the censorship going on.

Sounds very logical!

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yeah. They already have. Among the vaccinated, that is. We very rarely die from covid now.
Everybody else though, that everybody else being the unvaccinated, they are still getting seriously ill, going to the hospital, put on ventilators and still dying. Nothing has changed for them, except the presence of a far more contagious and deadly variant known as Delta.
We vaccinated fair way better against that one as well.

Just don't take vaccination for granted. They're calling for booster shots (in Israel I believe started it or India) and they say the effects say be temp say wear off in 6 months or so.

But I don't see deaths dropping like that. More breakthroughs, tests, and vaccinated and unvaccinated still getting symptoms. New variants are putting people in hospitals and in the US vax and unvax need to wear masks again.

Not overnight. Probably take a few years or more.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

IMO:
Some people got priorities wrong here, and lacking empathy. This is too insane for words, and seems more like propaganda to me, so that people start accepting imposed vaccination and giving up our basic rights. Probably the next step is that they want us to give up Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Speech already has gone out of the window quite a bit, with all the censorship going on.

Lack of empathy for sure. I didn't know quite a few have less until RF honestly...but I don't talk to many people. Maybe one or two a day.

 

[stvdv]

Sounds very logical!

Yes, I mean, come on ... someone steps into your hospital with 6 bullet holes in his body,

You (hospital director) invites the newspapers and "make" them write
"we did not treat this man, because we are too busy with corona patients"
I would expect them to keep such info out of the newspapers
Because they made an oath to treat all people equally I thought

Implying:
We, USA, are scientific, well equipped hospitals BUT after 2 years Corona experience we are still unable to treat 1 extra person (with 6 gunshot wounds)

Ulterior motives comes to mind. Also brainwashing, and even fake news. Normally in USA you get a lawsuit when you "pass wind" almost, and just yesterday I saw a youtube where it was stressed that doctors MUST treat any patient always. So, yes, this story makes totally no sense at all to me

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Hospitals in LA had to let some people die of cardiac arrest because there was no room for them because of.covid patients. Ambulance drivers were to told to just leave people if the odds didn't look good, all because covid was over straining the system.
That was before the vaccine. Now we're at a point where it's largely and mostly those who are going to hospital and suffering severe illness are unvaccinated. It's rare for someone who is vaccinated to die. Even when we vaccinated people get it we just don't get as sick.
High vaccination rates are the ticket amd key to averting these situations.

I wonder the percentage of unvaccinated people are left compared to those vaccinated?

US media tends to emphasis what the general public wants to hear.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I guess... six time seems like pretty serious to me. Maybe not to his/her family?

If no one is complaining... why make it a vaccination issue?

not to mention the spike is due to "because of spiking COVID-19 numbers driven by the Delta variant"

There is no vaccination for the Delta variant.

the existing vaccines work with all variants so far. though with slightly lower efficiency. but it stops the need for respirators of death if you do catch it.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

If the guy had a life and death immediate trauma they would focus (rather) on the guy before the COVID patient. COVID patients aren't special cause they have COVID... Beds don't come first come first serve. Unless the hospital is unethical giving beds to COVID cases without half being critical ill, it's by symptom severity.

Of course hospitals consider all the options and prioritise new cases. but they still can not put new patients in covid wards. that would compound the problem. many operating theatres have no staff because they are working with covid patients.
All hospitals are in the same boat.
The UK which is further along the road for vaccinations, and now has far fewer cases in hospital and has opened all its operating theatres, has over a years worth of operations to catch up on, of some several million operations. the USA has an even Bigger problem.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Of course hospitals consider all the options and prioritise new cases. but they still can not put new patients in covid wards. that would compound the problem. many operating theatres have no staff because they are working with covid patients.
All hospitals are in the same boat.
The UK which is further along the road for vaccinations, and now has far fewer cases in hospital and has opened all its operating theatres, has over a years worth of operations to catch up on, of some several million operations. the USA has an even Bigger problem.

Is there an immediate solution? US is getting break through cases and thinking of doing booster shots for vaccinated people. They are also saying that the vaccine may "wear off" in about 6 months of second dose vaccination. So, I guess we'd have to monitor if the latter, due to new variants, breakthroughs don't surpass current vaccination successes and whether those vaccinations successes will last long before another surge happens.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

The solution?

People should get vaccinated.

As a noted in a different thread, the county I live in has had an increase in hospital admissions etc but much MUCH less than other places because of the high vaccination numbers.

People should get vaccinated.

If you really want to explore the numbers -- i.e. how vaccination rates dramatically change hospitalization and death rates, visit this site:

COVID-19 Data Explorer

 

[Unveiled Artist]

If you really want to explore the numbers -- i.e. how vaccination rates dramatically change hospitalization and death rates, visit this site:

COVID-19 Data Explorer

What's the immediate solution?

We can talk about "they should vaccinate" all day long and look at stats galore but my question still stands.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

What's the immediate solution?

We can talk about "they should vaccinate" all day long and look at stats galore but my question still stands.

In these situations there is no immediate solution.
None is available.
It is a long term problem, with long term solutions.
Vaccinations on an annual basis like the flu jab, is the only available answer.
And like flu Jabs they will change as the Virus does.
It may never "Go Away."
Flu has not.

 

[Debater Slayer]

IMO:
Some people got priorities wrong here, and lacking empathy. This is too insane for words, and seems more like propaganda to me, so that people start accepting imposed vaccination and giving up our basic rights. Probably the next step is that they want us to give up Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Speech already has gone out of the window quite a bit, with all the censorship going on.

Lack of empathy for sure. I didn't know quite a few have less until RF honestly...but I don't talk to many people. Maybe one or two a day.

What are you referring to as "lack of empathy"? I'm unclear on whether you're talking about the original post of this thread or something else, since I make sure my own posts don't contain any minimization or dismissal of anyone's suffering.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

What are you referring to as "lack of empathy"? I'm unclear on whether you're talking about the original post of this thread or something else, since I make sure my own posts don't contain any minimization or dismissal of anyone's suffering.

I don't know about @stvdv but there were a couple of comments on the thread (not from you) that lack severe empathy unapologetically. There are three or four people that lack empathy for the unvaccinated.

 

[stvdv]

What are you referring to as "lack of empathy"?

IF this man comes into a hospital, being shot 6 times, and doctors do not operate him, for 1 week, because of corona. This I call lack of empathy. It must be painful 6 bullets I assume, and also emotional traumatic. To treat this man this way, in the USA, Texas, I find this not normal. If it was the Middle Ages, okay, but not 2021

 

[Unveiled Artist]

In these situations there is no immediate solution.
None is available.
It is a long term problem, with long term solutions.
Vaccinations on an annual basis like the flu jab, is the only available answer.
And like flu Jabs they will change as the Virus does.
It may never "Go Away."
Flu has not.

I wonder if they will still push the vaccine yearly if or when it becomes a weekly jab.

 

[stvdv]

I don't know about @stvdv but there were a couple of comments on the thread (not from you) that lack severe empathy unapologetically. There are three or four people that lack empathy for the unvaccinated.

In this particular case I meant "the hospital not treating a man for 1 week who had 6 bullets" I see as "lacking empathy"

BUT, yes, you are right that I have sensed "lack of empathy" or maybe condemning the unvaccinated on a regular basis on RF.
It has almost become like a new religion it seems. Just three or four you counted?
I lost track of counting, or maybe you meant only in this thread?

I do appreciate that you do not judge unvaccinated people, thank you for that
Even "stupid" if others judge, because they judge without asking why or knowing why

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I wonder if they will still push the vaccine yearly if or when it becomes a weekly jab.

That is pretty sill talk. with nothing to base it on.
If any virus evolved that fast we would already be dead.
So no more problem.