Man Who Was Shot Six Times Still Waiting for Surgery Due to the Overwhelming Number of COVID Cases

[Unveiled Artist]

In this particular case I meant "the hospital not treating a man for 1 week who had 6 bullets" I see as "lacking empathy"

BUT, yes, you are right that I have sensed "lack of empathy" or maybe condemning the unvaccinated on a regular basis on RF.
It has almost become like a new religion it seems. Just three or four you counted?
I lost track of counting, or maybe you meant only in this thread?

I do appreciate that you do not judge unvaccinated people, thank you for that
Even "stupid" if others judge, because they judge without asking why or knowing why

Just on this thread. But yeah, many threads are created just to belittle unvaccinated people... even calling them antivax is an insult. @Debater Slayer I don't know about other threads but I didn't get lack of empathy impression from you. Thinking of #30 "I don't think that would be humane or set a desirable precedent at all." Not all can see it this way.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

That is pretty sill talk. with nothing to base it on.
If any virus evolved that fast we would already be dead.
So no more problem.

I was just wondering.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

In this particular case I meant "the hospital not treating a man for 1 week who had 6 bullets" I see as "lacking empathy"

BUT, yes, you are right that I have sensed "lack of empathy" or maybe condemning the unvaccinated on a regular basis on RF.
It has almost become like a new religion it seems. Just three or four you counted?
I lost track of counting, or maybe you meant only in this thread?

I do appreciate that you do not judge unvaccinated people, thank you for that
Even "stupid" if others judge, because they judge without asking why or knowing why

Why should any one have any empathy with the anti vaxxers.
According to them they do not have a problem.
but they are creating one for every one else.
I do not even sympathise with their delusions.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

IF this man comes into a hospital, being shot 6 times, and the doctors do not operate him, for 1 week, because of corona. This I call lack of empathy. It must be very painful 6 bullets I assume, and also emotional traumatic. To treat this man this way, in the USA, Texas in 2021, I find this not normal. If it was the Middle Ages, okay, but not 2021

I wish/doubt it didn't happen that way just media focuses on guilt-tripping to get people vaccinated. Making a situation grandiose.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Why should any one have any empathy with the anti vaxxers.
According to them they do not have a problem.
but they are creating one for every one else.
I do not even sympathise with their delusions.

There ya go. @Debater Slayer.

But if an "antivaxxer" said the same thing with quotes and pictures they'd get attacked.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Triage is an option.... but I didn't say take surgical resources away but rather transfer patience to hospitals who aren't overwhelmed.

Pretty easy to say, but in a pandemic in which not enough people are getting vaccinated, especially in some conservative states, that may be somewhat harder to do. When all hospitals are over capacity, then what?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I wish/doubt it didn't happen that way just media focuses on guilt-tripping to get people vaccinated. Making a situation grandiose.

I am sure they would treat him if he was a priority and they could schedule it.
Let us be honest, none of us know the hospital's situation or the actual needs of the patient.
Some bullet wounds are never treated, as doing anything to remove them is more dangerous than doing nothing at all.
Other bullet wounds need treating at once what ever the consequences. as they are a threat to life.
Yet others cause pain for the rest of your, life removed or not.
I am sure the hospital is making a well considered decision about the patients needs.

 

[stvdv]

Why should any one have any empathy with the anti vaxxers.

Questions are always good (except the one I once asked)

According to them they do not have a problem.

Generalizing usually not smart and of course false

but they are creating one for every one else.

Generalizing, and not true of course

I do not even sympathise with their delusions.

Stating as your opinion is always good

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

There ya go. @Debater Slayer.

But if an "antivaxxer" said the same thing with quotes and pictures they'd get attacked.

No one is making personal attacks.
Having no sympathy for something is not an attack.
The case has been made out very clearly in favour of Vaccinations.
and against the ant vaxxers dangerous ideas.

 

[stvdv]

There ya go. @Debater Slayer.

But if an "antivaxxer" said the same thing with quotes and pictures they'd get attacked.

Probably also reported and granted a warning (the new "corona RF Rule")

 

[Unveiled Artist]

No one is making personal attacks.
Having no sympathy for something is not an attack.
The case has been made out very clearly in favour of Vaccinations.
and against the ant vaxxers dangerous ideas.

The point was, though, many provaxxers don't have empathy for the unvaccinated. Your comments are 100% perfect examples of this, among posts from others.

 

[stvdv]

I wish/doubt it didn't happen that way just media focuses on guilt-tripping to get people vaccinated. Making a situation grandiose.

True

I met many people who were scared for corona, even while having had 2 shots, just because of all the misinformation. Luckily I could easily explain to them that they better not worry, and with 2 shots and 1.5 meter distance and 2 masks they were quite well equipped.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Probably also reported and granted a warning (the new "corona RF Rule")

De ja vu

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Questions are always good (except the one I once asked)


Generalizing usually not smart and of course false


Generalizing, and not true of course


Stating as your opinion is always good

One has little choice but to use generalisations when arguing against generalisations.

The details of the case have been thoroughly covered in this and other threads, many times.
Take my Generalisations as a precis of them.

 

[stvdv]

De ja vu

#MeToo

 

[Unveiled Artist]

True

The worst part is that they create fear, which is detrimental to our immune system, hence indirectly "killing people" doing this. I met many people who were scared for corona, even while having had 2 shots, just because the government messes up with clear information. Luckily I could easily explain to them that they better not worry, and with 2 shots and 1.5 meter distance and 2 masks they were quite well equipped.

Goodness.

Here's an example.

 

[stvdv]

One has little choice but to use generalisations when arguing against generalisations.

I do have a choice, and choose to not generalize

The details of the case have been thoroughly covered in this and other threads, many times.
Take my Generalisations as a precis of them.

NO, I won't

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

The point was, though, is many provaxxers don't have empathy for the unvaccinated. Your comments are a 100% perfect example of this, among posts from others.

I have plenty of Empathy for people who have been un able to get Vaccinated yet.
How can I possibly have sympathy for those who have wilfully spoken against them.
It is their own choice.
I do not see any empathy or contrition from anitvaxxers for the damage they cause.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I have plenty of Empathy for people who have been un able to get Vaccinated yet.
How can I possibly have sympathy for those who have wilfully spoken against them.
It is their own choice.
I do not see any empathy or contrition from anitvaxxers for the damage they cause.

That's the whole point.

The thing is, people who can't get vaccinated or yet still can spread the virus... so it sounds less about spreading the virus and more about people's decisions you disagree with.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Goodness.

Here's an example.

It is absolutely clear from that video that the antivaxxers message had got through to those sick people. and that they had been frightened away from taking the vaccine. when it could have prevented their hospitalisations.

That is very sad indeed. and something the antivaxxers should be thoroughly ashamed about.