Many many Chariot wheels found at bottom of Red sea.

[Subduction Zone]

I would never call God a liar. Its you claiming God lied. Show us the lie you claim God did.

You do not know that you are doing that, but that is what you are doing. It appears that even you know that you are doing that. Why else would you refuse to learn the basics of science?

 

[oldbadger]

No, not really.

Hey! Happy birthday!

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

God inspired the words in his bible.

That's certainly what some people claim.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Let me get this right, do you think that the emergence of the Jewish people, religion and all developed during the Great Persian Empire?

If you're truly interested, peruse ...

• Resettlement Policy of the Neo-Assyrian Empire
• Assyrian Deportation and Resettlement: The Story of Samaria

The implication is that what we think of as Israel underwent dramatic population transfers which, among other things drove much of the scribal class south. Similar population reshuffling occurred in the wake of the Babylonian conquest and exile.

With the Persian victory, the desire was for a stable vassal state in Judah-Samaria, and that meant that the mixed multitude of that area begin to conceive themselves as a people with a mandate. What threads of Hebrew scripture were written by whom and when I do not know, but I suspect that the final redactions were post exilic, and that various forces competed to mold the characteristics of peoplehood that would finally emerge.

When you say ...

"I do think that there might be a historical incident, an escaping of slaves on a large scale which was magnified in to miraculous events."​

... I'm simply suggesting that a far more impactful historical catalyst would have been the impact of Assyria, Babylonia, and Persia on a little strip of land that separated those major powers in the north from Egypt in the south.

Because of the "Bible" - however defined - we in the West view the area being discussed through a laughably distorting "Israel" lens. In fact, for most of its history, Judah and Samaria were bit players in a much, much larger stage.

 

[servant1]

You do not know that you are doing that, but that is what you are doing. It appears that even you know that you are doing that. Why else would you refuse to learn the basics of science?

i see you can't show a lie from God. Its just in your imagination.

 

[servant1]

That's certainly what some people claim.

Yes, all who love God and obey him, he shows that one he is there and they know 100% God inspired his bible.

 

[Subduction Zone]

i see you can't show a lie from God. Its just in your imagination.

Not at all. All of the scientific evidence tells us that there was no worldwide flood. All of the scientific evidence in the world tells us that there never were just two people and that we are the product of evolution.

Let's go over your flood. It would take over five miles of vertical water to cover all of the mountains in the world. Why is there no scientific evidence at all that shows us that this ever happened?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, all who love God and obey him, he shows that one he is there and they know 100% God inspired his bible.

You yourself have refuted that claim. You cannot show that the Bible is inspired by God at all.

 

[servant1]

Not at all. All of the scientific evidence tells us that there was no worldwide flood. All of the scientific evidence in the world tells us that there never were just two people and that we are the product of evolution.

Let's go over your flood. It would take over five miles of vertical water to cover all of the mountains in the world. Why is there no scientific evidence at all that shows us that this ever happened?

it was 1000,s of years ago.

 

[servant1]

You yourself have refuted that claim. You cannot show that the Bible is inspired by God at all.

i didn't refute it ever. Those who stand in opposition, being ruled by satan refute God wrote the bible.

 

[Subduction Zone]

it was 1000,s of years ago.

So what? We have evidence of even older floods that were nowhere near as huge. The records of those older smaller floods can still be seen today but there is no evidence of a larger one. That makes no sense at all.

 

[Subduction Zone]

i didn't refute it ever. Those who stand in opposition, being ruled by satan refute God wrote the bible.

No, just because you do not realize how you failed does not mean that you did not do so. You made claims that you should have been able to support if they were true, but you could not. That refutes what you said. Your inaction refuted yourself.

 

[servant1]

So what? We have evidence of even older floods that were nowhere near as huge. The records of those older smaller floods can still be seen today but there is no evidence of a larger one. That makes no sense at all.

God easily could have meant the earth parts that were inhabited by humans. He does disguise many things in his bible.

 

[servant1]

No, just because you do not realize how you failed does not mean that you did not do so. You made claims that you should have been able to support if they were true, but you could not. That refutes what you said. Your inaction refuted yourself.

dream on.

 

[Subduction Zone]

God easily could have meant the earth parts that were inhabited by humans. He does disguise many things in his bible.

This does not make any sense. And now you are just making weak excuses. The sciences that allows you to communicate here refutes the Genesis tales. By using the internet, even by driving your car, you tacitly admit that the Bible is wrong.

 

[Subduction Zone]

dream on.

It is what you did. You really need to learn quite a bit You should study up on how to make a rational argument. You should learn what is and what is not evidence.

It is obvious that you believe, but beliefs have consequences. You refuting yourself is a consequence of your beliefs, even if you do not understand how you did that.

 

[oldbadger]

If you're truly interested, peruse ...

• Resettlement Policy of the Neo-Assyrian Empire
• Assyrian Deportation and Resettlement: The Story of Samaria

The implication is that what we think of as Israel underwent dramatic population transfers which, among other things drove much of the scribal class south. Similar population reshuffling occurred in the wake of the Babylonian conquest and exile.

With the Persian victory, the desire was for a stable vassal state in Judah-Samaria, and that meant that the mixed multitude of that area begin to conceive themselves as a people with a mandate. What threads of Hebrew scripture were written by whom and when I do not know, but I suspect that the final redactions were post exilic, and that various forces competed to mold the characteristics of peoplehood that would finally emerge.

When you say ...

"I do think that there might be a historical incident, an escaping of slaves on a large scale which was magnified in to miraculous events."​

... I'm simply suggesting that a far more impactful historical catalyst would have been the impact of Assyria, Babylonia, and Persia on a little strip of land that separated those major powers in the north from Egypt in the south.

Because of the "Bible" - however defined - we in the West view the area being discussed through a laughably distorting "Israel" lens. In fact, for most of its history, Judah and Samaria were bit players in a much, much larger stage.

Yes. I am interested and want to read more.
I can't say anything else just now.... will just need a very long time to read up about all this.

At first view all I can perceive is the entire history of the Israelite people seeming to disappear. Now that's a shocker even for a detached gentile to figure out.

Thank you for your posts.

 

[servant1]

This does not make any sense. And now you are just making weak excuses. The sciences that allows you to communicate here refutes the Genesis tales. By using the internet, even by driving your car, you tacitly admit that the Bible is wrong.

Mans science is flawed-0 doubt in all creation.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Mans science is flawed-0 doubt in all creation.

Science is not perfect, but it beats the Bible all to heck and by your actions you tacitly admit that. The Bible can be shown to be wrong again and again, not just scientifically, but morally, historically, and in just about any other way that you can judge it.

But I do not think that you are willing to learn.

 

[servant1]

Science is not perfect, but it beats the Bible all to heck and by your actions you tacitly admit that. The Bible can be shown to be wrong again and again, not just scientifically, but morally, historically, and in just about any other way that you can judge it.

But I do not think that you are willing to learn.

God has taught me well. I would be a fool to believe mortals who stand in opposition.