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Marie Yavanovitch Testimony

Prometheus85

Active Member
Nope. It establishes that the Bidens were of concern otherwise there would be no prepping.

She was told to refer to the VP office ergo the WH.

as I told u before, being prepped to about stuff you have know knowledge own is not the same as being concerned. They just told her if the question comes up, direct it to the proper channels. The only concern the Obama administration had was the republicans turning her hearing into a farce.


Irrelevant to what I posted

It’s not irrelevant to what u posted, because what u posted was apart of the joe/hunter Biden conspiracy theory. And for the record it’s already been established hunter Biden didn’t violate any type of laws.
 

Prometheus85

Active Member
Why did lutsenko change his testimony about the prosecute list? Thats weird.

he took his statement back because it was proving to be false. Perhaps you can’t fathom someone taken they’re false statements back because you make false statements all the time and never take them back even when they are proven to be false.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
as I told u before, being prepped to about stuff you have know knowledge own is not the same as being concerned. They just told her if the question comes up, direct it to the proper channels. The only concern the Obama administration had was the republicans turning her hearing into a farce.

Wrong otherwise there would be no prep.




It’s not irrelevant to what u posted, because what u posted was apart of the joe/hunter Biden conspiracy theory. And for the record it’s already been established hunter Biden didn’t violate any type of laws.

Wrong again. Hunter Biden has zero qualifications to work with Burisma. If you think otherwise you can argue using his CV.
 

Prometheus85

Active Member
Adam shifts "rules" wer not fair to the republicans. You know it, i know it. Quit making up ****. The republicans wernt talking over anyone.

FYI it’s not "Adam Shiff Rules” Republican were the ones that created the rules and Republicans on the committee intentionally broke rules to pretend Adam Schiff was mistreating them.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Nope. You have merely projected your idea of what the media said. Go look up news including MSM from 2014 about the Bidens.
I wasn't talking about the media.

You confirmed my posts, whether you realize or not. Republicans in fact, are bringing up the Biden stuff. Over and over.

I'm not going any further with this inane nitpicking that you like to do.

Have a nice day.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
I wasn't talking about the media.

I was pointing out Biden was not merely an issue for the GOP. It was an issue the media was talking about for years. There was still concern over the Bidens by the WH.

You confirmed my posts, whether you realize or not. Republicans in fact, are bringing up the Biden stuff. Over and over.

I never said otherwise.

I'm not going any further with this inane nitpicking that you like to do.

Whatever. My point still stands.
 

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
Tim Morrison blew your idea about the javelins out of the water yesterday. The javelins were not part of the aid Trump put a hold on
LOL....yeah, he said the hold was on three different categories of security systems, which didn't include the javelins. So your argument is that Trump only held up some types of aid, but not all types?

Okay then.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
LOL....yeah, he said the hold was on three different categories of security systems, which didn't include the javelins. So your argument is that Trump only held up some types of aid, but not all types?

Okay then.

You pointed out the link to Javelins not I. Yet Javelins were not part of the hold. Poof.

The hold was due to corruption and anti-corruption.
 

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
You pointed out the link to Javelins not I. Yet Javelins were not part of the hold. Poof.
Again, other types of security assistance were on hold. I mean really, is this your best argument? "Well, they didn't withhold every type of aid"?

The hold was due to corruption and anti-corruption.
Nope. By law, the Pentagon is tasked with clearing a country to receive aid. They had done so, yet the aid was withheld. According to OMB staff, the aid was withheld at the direction of President Trump.

Pentagon Letter Undercuts Trump Assertion On Delaying Aid To Ukraine Over Corruption
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Again, other types of security assistance were on hold. I mean really, is this your best argument? "Well, they didn't withhold every type of aid"?

You were focused on Javelins not I. Yawn. Your point has collapsed as of yesterday.


Nope. By law, the Pentagon is tasked with clearing a country to receive aid. They had done so, yet the aid was withheld. According to OMB staff, the aid was withheld at the direction of President Trump.

POTUS determines US foreign policy not the Pentagon.


Trump disagreed which he has a right to do.

Saddam have WMD too right?
 

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
You were focused on Javelins not I. Yawn. Your point has collapsed as of yesterday.
LOL.....I suppose if you want to hang your hat on "Trump didn't withhold every type of security assistance", be my guest.

POTUS determines US foreign policy not the Pentagon.
Again, by law the Pentagon is tasked with clearing a country to receive aid. They had done so, yet Trump put a hold on that aid, which we now know was part of the scheme to get Ukraine to announce investigations into the Bidens and the Russian propaganda story about 2016.

Trump disagreed which he has a right to do.
Not for his own personal political gain.

I have to say, I'm amazed to see how conservatives are effectively arguing that a President can basically do what he wants, whenever he wants. IIRC, it wasn't all that long ago many of the same folks were decrying President Obama's executive orders and policy decisions as "tyranny" and such.
 

Prometheus85

Active Member
POTUS determines US foreign policy not the Pentagon.

first you said aid was withheld due to corruption and anti corruption and that was proven false. Now you say the POTUS determines US foreign policy not the pentagon. All I see is you playing trivial games instead of addressing the issues.
 
As you already should know, those rules were created by the Republicans. So I'm not sure why they're (and you're) whining about them now.

Man you really are a propaganda spreader. The republicans would not complain about being given less time, less call for witnesses if they made the rules. And adam shift is the chairman, not the republicans. Common sense! And why would they make rules that hurt fairness for themselves? MORE common sense!

I haven't made anything up. Nunes, Jordan and Stefanik have tried to speak out of turn several times throughout these hearings. I guess you missed it.

Quit making **** up. Your a lier! They spoke well within there turn. Adam shift interrupted. Actually, when adam got called on it, he backpeddled and changed his verdict too! Why? Because he knew he was wrong!

Adam Schiff is the Chair of the committee and is authorized to speak over those who are in not speaking in their proper turn. Somebody has to keep order; that's his job.

Stop with the lying. Its not cool at all. And it tells me you dont give a **** about facts or truth.

It's not a straw man, and that claim doesn't even make sense.

Yes it is a strawman and yes it does make sense. Only you make no sense.

You should read through some of your own posts once in a while, it's a lot of "you lefties this" and "you commies that" and "democrats are communists/zombies" and on and on.
Your posts are extremely partisan in nature.

Listen to me very carefully. You argued a strawman, period. I shouldnt even have to explain that you did. I should only have to say you did and that should be the end of it right there. The fact i gotta explain to you why your strawman is still a strawman shows that your an utter failure to no end!

So, here goes: when i say the words lefties, commies, democrats, i am not saying its not about truth vs lies, right vs wrong, facts vs none facts. What i am saying is a form of communication. Im using those terms to use simple communication. Those terms have real meanings. What works best in a societies prosperity? Rigut or left? The rights policies do.

So, what works vs what does not work (i.e truth vs lies).

However, in the case of these testimonies there talking about specific issues in relation to impeachment. Its not talking about right vs left. But, some people will defend a candidate that is bad simply due to them being in there political party. Or some people will reject a candidate simply because there not in there party.

In anycase, if we wer to debate about the best way to garden, it would be about what works best vs what doesnt. If i kept calling you a leftist, it would just be a term im using. It does not mean im not dealing with the issues.

The reality is, you and prometheus are not addressing the issues when you argue your strawman arguments.

When i tell you both that this is about truth vs lies, im saying i address the issues and i want you both to do the same. That means address my arguments and questions. And ill do likewise. Of course, i work for a living, i do my own research that is SEPERATE FROM talking with you or prometheus. So, if i dont respond to every post it dont mean im trying to run from addressing anything.

But, if i wer to respond to arguing a strawman on you, that would be me not addressing the issues. I would not waste my time responding like that. If however i did so by accident and you corrected my misunderstanding, then i would respond differently based on the new uderstanding.

However, the problem with you and prometheus and alot of other lefties ive experienced is you make strawmen, get corrected and yet you keep it up. Your brazenly stubborn beyond measure. And thats also why i call lefties zombies. Because there seams to be NO CURE. You keep on keeping on with this sickness of strawman arguments. Misrepresenting is another word for it. It dont matter what you call it, but anyone can misunderstand. The problem isnt that. The problem AFTER the misunderstanding gets corrected, you then keep it up. Which then it goes beyond a innocent misunderstanding. It goes into misrepresenting which is DISHONESTY at that point. And in my book, dishonesty is the same thing as being an outright BAD PERSON.

There, now that i explained it, your still going to keep up the strawman. And if you dont, ill be surprised. If you do, youl only show how deep your seething pride is.

Raising the issue as a serious concern that needs dealing with, and using the issue as an example during a prep question and answer period, knowing that Republicans are obssessed with the Biden/Ukraine conspiracy theory and knowing that they would grill her on it, are not the same thing at all.

So the republicans wanting to grill her on the bidens justifies her lie under oath? Really?

She lied, period. I proved she lied in showing her two quotes. I posted them now 3 or 4 times. I should have only needed to do it once. But, there is no cure for zombeism.

Please call me a liar again though, you're cracking me up. You seem to be coming more and more unhinged here ...

Unhinged are strawman arguers who get corrected and then keep up the strawmen arguments. Thats what you call unhinged.

Me standing firm in the points i made due to the fact i KNOW there validity is not called unhinged, its called honesty.
 
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