psychoslice
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I was SDA for many years, and I do agree that the Sabbath is Saturday not the sun worshiping Sunday.
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Mark of the Beast is Sunday Worship
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I don't know of any Christian group that worships Sunday. "On Sunday", yes.
Also, just a reminder that if one believes that Jesus "fulfilled the Law", thus ending it, then the Sabbath worship is simply not mandatory. If one insists that it still is, do they also insist that one must keep kosher, which includes a series of Laws mandated in Torah?
Also, just a reminder that if one believes that Jesus "fulfilled the Law", thus ending it, then the Sabbath worship is simply not mandatory. If one insists that it still is, do they also insist that one must keep kosher, which includes a series of Laws mandated in Torah?
SUNDAY meaning:
Sol Die, the day of the sun, or Sunday. The merger of pagan and papal Rome, Mithra and Christianity produced doctrines that are hard to identify with the Bible and even contradict it.
Yet another way the early church merged pagan worship and paganism with the early
Church of Christianity to gain converts to Christianity.
Sol Die, the day of the sun, or Sunday. The merger of pagan and papal Rome, Mithra and Christianity produced doctrines that are hard to identify with the Bible and even contradict it.
Yet another way the early church merged pagan worship and paganism with the early
Church of Christianity to gain converts to Christianity.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Specifically, what CC doctrines supposedly contradict the Bible? Also, which particular church teachings are supposedly "pagan"? Also by chance, have you ever heard of an early church document called the "Didache"? Ever hear of something called the "agape meal", including when it was held? Also, do you believe that Christians are still under the Mosaiic Law-- all 613 of them as cited in Torah, which of course includes the Decalogue?
http://www.bible.ca/catholic-doctrine.htm
http://www.bible.ca/cath-overview-false-teaching.htm
http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception_end-time_paganism_Catholic_Mithraism
And on and on and on..................
Tell me. Why didn't you just google it up and see for yourself?
http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/tracts/tract1.html
And on and on and on....................................
LOOK IT UP PLEASE.
Google up Christmas while your at it.
Pagan all the way.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I taught Christian theology for 14 years, so I very much "looked it up". Therefore, let me recommend you actually answer the questions instead of letting some biased sources do it for you. If I had posted links to RCC sources, would that be an appropriate response from me to you, iyo?
I'm proud of your accomplishments.
Yes your education and background DOES count.
You have legitimate accreditation yes?
I reserve the right to be wrong about an opinion and have an open mind.
What sources aren't biased?
Inquiring minds don'cha'know?
http://www.history.com/topics/christmas/history-of-christmas
This one meet with your educated mind?
(not being sarcastic by the way)
I am educated also with two degrees don'cha'know?
Geneva College in Pa., a Presbyterian University and Kent State, Ohio, a liberal art
college. (read liberal)
If I didn't quote sources then everything I posted would be mere opinions
would they not?
Same for you.
Without sources you post mere opinions and nothing more.
I do appreciate your opinions however, as I do most opinions posted here.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
ThreeAngels
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Sunday keeping as the Sabbath will not be the mark of the beast until it is enforced by law and the people have been made aware of the binding claims of God's Sabbath. Only by changing God’s law could the papacy exalt itself above God; whoever should understandingly keep the law as thus changed would be giving supreme honor to that power by which the change was made. Such an act of obedience to papal laws would be a mark of allegiance to the pope in the place of God.
That the mark of the beast has to do with worship may be seen in Revelation 13:15 which says 'And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.' We may worship God on Sunday as well as on any other day but we if we are truly His worshipers, we will only keep the Sabbath day holy according to the fourth commandment, " Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, ... " Exodus 20:8-10
Keeping the Sabbath very much affects a person's relationship with God. The sign or seal of God is the observance of the seventh-day Sabbath, the Lord's memorial of His work of creation. "The Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily My Sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you" [Exodus 31:12-13]. Here the Sabbath is clearly defined as a sign between God and His people. I hope I have answered your questions.
ThreeAngels
Member
May I ask why you left? Only those that endure to the end shall be saved. 'He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.' Rev 21:7
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Well I left the organization called SDA, you don't have to be a member to be so called saved, no church will ever save you.
ThreeAngels
Member
Yes we do. The foundation of our faith laid by God through the founders will hold as long as time shall last because it is true and founded on Scripture.
ThreeAngels
Member
There is not a single text of Scripture which warrants Sunday worship- it is wholly a man made institution. The Catholics readily acknowledge this fact, see below: Great Controversy p. 447 'Roman Catholics acknowledge that the change of the Sabbath was made by their church, and declare that Protestants by observing the Sunday are recognizing her power. In the Catholic Catechism of Christian Religion, in answer to a question as to the day to be observed in obedience to the fourth commandment, this statement is made: “During the old law, Saturday was the day sanctified; but the church, instructed by Jesus Christ, and directed by the Spirit of God, has substituted Sunday for Saturday; so now we sanctify the first, not the seventh day. Sunday means, and now is, the day of the Lord.”'
There are 2 distinct laws, the moral law or the 10 commandments and the ceremonial law. The ritual law, with its sacrifices and ordinances, was to be performed by the Hebrews until type met antitype in the death of Christ, the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world. Then all the sacrificial offerings were to cease. It is this law that Christ “took . . . out of the way, nailing it to His cross.” Colossians 2:14. But concerning the law of Ten Commandments the psalmist declares, “Forever, O Lord, Thy word is settled in heaven.” Psalm 119:89. And Christ Himself says, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law. . . . Verily I say unto you”— making the assertion as emphatic as possible— “Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” Matthew 5:17, 18. Here He teaches, not merely what the claims of God’s law had been, and were then, but that these claims should hold as long as the heavens and the earth remain.
To say that the 10 commandments have been abolished is to say that we can no longer sin, 'for sin is the transgression of the law.' 1 John 3:4
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
You missed the point.
OK, are you under the Law or not? If you are, then you must follow as close as possible all 613 of them as found in Torah: http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm
If you are not under the Law, then this includes the Ten Commandments as they are the first 10 of the 613. And of the Ten, celebrating Shabbat is one of them.
The SDA logically cannot realistically have it both ways even though they've been doing it. I know of some other churches that do this same bizarre thing with tithing, which is terribly self-serving for them.
ThreeAngels
Member
We are under the law of liberty- the 10 commandments- but no longer under the ritual law which is wholly distinct.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
It's truly a shame they teach that, especially since there simply is not one single reference to the RCC mentioned or even implied in the Christian scriptures. I grew up being taught that same nonsense, and let me tell ya-- it really is nonsense.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
That's complete nonsense as most of the Laws simply have nothing to do with "ritual"-- click onto my link on post #54 and see for yourself). If they are teaching you that lie, then you really should consider looking for a church that doesn't preach such dishonesty.
BTW, observing Shabbat could be considered "ritual", so their argument is completely bogus.
ThreeAngels
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Observing Sabbath is an express commandment in the moral law. Only the ritual part was abolished at the cross since it was symbolic of the sacrifice of Jesus while the rest still holds. Moses was commanded to write, as God should bid him, judgments and laws giving minute instruction as to what was required. These directions relating to the duty of the people to God, to one another, and to the stranger were only the principles of the Ten Commandments amplified and given in a specific manner, that none need err.
If you are under no law then you are free to worship idols (forbidden by the second commandment), or sleep with your neighbor's wife -(forbidden by the seventh) or murder (forbidden by the sixth) and still claim God's approbation. Satan knew that many would see how unreasonable that is and that is why he chose to attack only one commandment, the Sabbath commandment. Yet it is still inconsistent to keep 9 out of 10 commandments. If we were free to break one, then that should hold true for all ten.
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
All the Commandments, all 613 of them, are "moral laws"-- every single one of them. Jews were punished by God for playing fast and loose with the Laws, which is a frequent theme in the Tanakh. Did you actually look at the link I gave you that says what each Commandment is and where it's found in the first five books in your Bible? They're there. Did you look 'em up. They're not "nice suggestions" to do when ever one feels like it. And they are "directions relating to the duty of the people to God, to one another, and to the stranger were only the principles of the Ten Commandments amplified and given in a specific manner, that none need err".
The separation of the Law was considered a heresy, and a "false prophet" was one who told the people that they didn't have to follow all of the Law. Even if one decided to somehow separate the Laws into different categories, the scriptures make it clear that all of the Law must be followed.
ThreeAngels
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If Jesus did not abolish the ritual law, then what are those ordinances which Scripture says that He nailed to the cross? "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross," Colossians 2:14