Mass Assault in Cologne, Mayor blames female victims ?!

[Flankerl]

How many person were celebrating in Cologne at that night?

Stop being obnoxious.
Let me guess, because other people were celebrating in Cologne it was impossible that this happened. Especially since proud Arab men were present.

The one celebrating the new year event.

Most people in front of the Dome were Arabs, Kurds and Turks.
So it doesn't matter at all that that somewhere else people celebrated peacefully.

Which one is crazy? Standing or on the ground.

It was a question. The entire idea of raping people in public seems to be completely impossible according to you.

 

[FearGod]

I do. It scapegoats survivors and acts as an apologist for the perpetrators (they're gonna try and rape anyway, so women try harder next time, is the gist).

Now answer my question. You claimed that giving caution to women doesn't mean ignoring the rapists. I think that claim needs to be backed up with how rapists are NOT being ignored in this thread for rape prevention.

Back your claim up, please. From this thread, and from posts that agree with the mayor's advice. I'll wait.

Back to our previous examples,

Do we blame the victim if we advised the public to close their doors very well because
there're some cases of robbery, be alert.

Now does it mean that no robberies will occur or that robbers aren't blamed, never

We need better advocacy for survivors so we can report and find justice for the crime. That's REALLY difficult to do if we have to navigate through pushback like rape apologetics and "false rape accusations" being thrown in our faces from public and private spheres in society.

They're still investigating, where're the criminals? the police has nothing to do with the mayor,
so why they said the situation is peaceful, why the police needs to lie, i don't think the German
police is stupid to leave the criminals and to ignore them, the same case which just happened
recently of accusing some refugees of raping a very young girl then the investigation showed
that the girl wanted it (in consent), yes the girl was underage (13) but it wasn't a rape case because
the investigations shows what had exactly happened and we don't even know if she has similar relationships
before with other guys,OMG, this remind me with one discussion in the RF about a girl making it with her dog and
i think the dog was the victim.

Scapegoating survivors and glossing over the crimes of the perpetrators while giving really lousy "advice" is what's wrong with it.

Hope they'll even listen to her advice.

 

[FearGod]

Stop being obnoxious.
Let me guess, because other people were celebrating in Cologne it was impossible that this happened. Especially since proud Arab men were present.

My question was precise, how many person were celebrating at the spot,
you agree that there were 1000 of the refugees who abused and raped
women, so you should know as well how many person were celebrating
the new year at the spot?

Most people in front of the Dome were Arabs, Kurds and Turks.
So it doesn't matter at all that that somewhere else people celebrated peacefully.

If most of them were Arabs,Kurds and Turks then where did the German women came from?
Where were the German men if most of the crowd were the refugees except the women?

It was a question. The entire idea of raping people in public seems to be completely impossible according to you.

Yes impossible in the crowd of people walking and dancing.

 

[Flankerl]

My question was precise, how many person were celebrating at the spot,
you agree that there were 1000 of the refugees who abused and raped
women, so you should know as well how many person were celebrating
the new year at the spot?

Asking for the precise number is stupid as no one can count such a number precisely.

If most of them were Arabs,Kurds and Turks then where did the German women came from?
Where were the German men if most of the crowd were the refugees except the women?

Out of the train station. If you know what that is.
Some women were accompanied by their men, others were groups of women.

Also don't go there, 1 or 2 German men have absolutely no chance to do anything against groups of +6 men.

Yes impossible in the crowd of people walking and dancing.

Dancing lol.
Many people were walking. Many others weren't.
A concept which you obviously also won't understand, right?

 

[FearGod]

Asking for the precise number is stupid as no one can count such a number precisely.

And counting and believing that 1000 of the refugees attacked women is utterly stupid as well.

Out of the train station. If you know what that is.
Some women were accompanied by their men, others were groups of women.

Also don't go there, 1 or 2 German men have absolutely no chance to do anything against groups of +6 men.

How the refugees number is greater than Germans?

Dancing lol.
Many people were walking. Many others weren't.
A concept which you obviously also won't understand, right?

Walking and others weren't while some were raping and f******.

 

[Flankerl]

And counting and believing that 1000 of the refugees attacked women is utterly stupid as well.

No one ever claimed that all present were refugees. The turks and kurds probably weren't.
Nor is it claimed that each and everyone present abused women or stole from Germans.

How the refugees number is greater than Germans?

Not everyone wants to celebrate surrounded by strangers. And there are reports of people turning back once they saw that only certain people were present.
The people arriving by train didn't have this choice.

Walking and others weren't while some were raping and f******.

In most cases penetration by a Penis was not involved.
Which is probably not rape in your mind. Though if asked whether its okay for a group of strangers to penetrate the vagina, anus, mouth or pull, grab the breasts of your mother its suddenly a problem.

Don't worry I know this "its okay if it happens to strangers because they are whores but my family is different" routine from school and the nice school mates of a certain cultural background.

Oh and the term "****ing" implies voluntary sex. Which is not the case with rape.

 

[FearGod]

No one ever claimed that all present were refugees. The turks and kurds probably weren't.
Nor is it claimed that each and everyone present abused women or stole from Germans.

You posted the source yourself as an evidence of the assault being done by 1000 refugees
and the victims about 1200.

Ein erster Überblick knapp drei Wochen nach den Silvester-Übergriffen: In Köln, Düsseldorf, Dortmund und Bielefeld summieren sich die Strafanzeigen auf fast 1000. Es gibt wohl mehr als 1200 Opfer.

From your source in your post #669
http://www.welt.de/regionales/nrw/a...ster-fast-1000-Anzeigen-in-vier-Staedten.html

Not everyone wants to celebrate surrounded by strangers. And there are reports of people turning back once they saw that only certain people were present.
The people arriving by train didn't have this choice.

Good, so some were alert and went back and that was much more than a distance of an arm,
that proves that the mayor was correct.

In most cases penetration by a Penis was not involved.
Which is probably not rape in your mind. Though if asked whether its okay for a group of strangers to penetrate the vagina, anus, mouth or pull, grab the breasts of your mother its suddenly a problem.

You're absolutely wrong,

rape

noun
1.
unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape

My mother won't walk in a crowd of men and if she did then i will blame her and not the filthy men,
my culture prevent women to walk within a crowd of men but i think such things may happen in Israel and
of course i don't like it to happen to your mother if she walked in the crowd of rapists.

Don't worry I know this "its okay if it happens to strangers because they are whores but my family is different" routine from school and the nice school mates of a certain cultural background.

I didn't say so, but prostitution is legal in your culture. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Israel
The business of the whores

Oh and the term "****ing" implies voluntary sex. Which is not the case with rape.

You're experienced in such terms, good you taught me the differences.

 

[Flankerl]

You posted the source yourself as an evidence of the assault being done by 1000 refugees
and the victims about 1200.

Ein erster Überblick knapp drei Wochen nach den Silvester-Übergriffen: In Köln, Düsseldorf, Dortmund und Bielefeld summieren sich die Strafanzeigen auf fast 1000. Es gibt wohl mehr als 1200 Opfer.

From your source in your post #669
http://www.welt.de/regionales/nrw/a...ster-fast-1000-Anzeigen-in-vier-Staedten.html

Oh look someone doesn't understand German. Too bad the German word for refugee isn't Strafanzeigen.

Good, so some were alert and went back and that was much more than a distance of an arm,
that proves that the mayor was correct.

Of course it makes sense to you. But somehow it didn't help those who came out of the train station. Man I wonder why. They probably wanted to be assaulted.

My mother won't walk in a crowd of men and if she did then i will blame her and not the filthy men,

Yes but you have to realise that German women aren't educated enough on how men from your cultural background tend to act around women.

But don't worry, they will learn.

my culture prevent women to walk within a crowd of men but i think such things may happen in Israel and
of course i don't like it to happen to your mother if she walked in the crowd of rapists.

>negative Video about Arabs
FearGod: LIES SLANDER
>negative Video about anyone but Arabs
FearGod: I BELIEVE EVERYTHING IN IT

Your acceptance of Arab rape culture is noted. Always important to be honest.

I didn't say so, but prostitution is legal in your culture. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Israel
The business of the whores

I am still not living in Israel. And that Prostitution is legal in Israel has absolutely nothing to do with what was written.

But hey who cares. When a Jew writes something one has to bring up Israel at least once. I get that. Also learned that during school from the kids of certain cultural backgrounds.

You're experienced in such terms, good you taught me the differences.

**** off.

 

[FearGod]

Oh look someone doesn't understand German. Too bad the German word for refugee isn't Strafanzeigen.

So the criminal charges weren't about the refugees, were they Germans then?

Of course it makes sense to you. But somehow it didn't help those who came out of the train station. Man I wonder why. They probably wanted to be assaulted.

You said the one who returned back escaped, that was the mayor advice, as to be alert.

Yes but you have to realise that German women aren't educated enough on how men from your cultural background tend to act around women.

But don't worry, they will learn.

Lol, the Germans men are Angels.

Wake Up Germany, You've Got A Serious Sexual Harassment Problem


In 2010, a survey by Germany’s Federal Ministry of Family Affairs, Senior Citizens, Women and Youth stated that 60% of women said they had experienced sexual harassment in public, at the workplace, or socially. Out of those, one out of two women said she had feared for her own safety and one woman in ten reported actual physical violence.

In 22% of cases, the incident took place at work or school. A few were traumatized by what happened, and had panic attacks at the thought of returning to where it took place. "In most cases, there is a big discrepancy in power between the perpetrator and the victim, and the former often abuse the latter’s dependence," the report said.

Read the full article: Wake Up Germany, You've Got A Serious Sexual Harassment Problem
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>negative Video about Arabs
FearGod: LIES SLANDER
>negative Video about anyone but Arabs
FearGod: I BELIEVE EVERYTHING IN IT

Your acceptance of Arab rape culture is noted. Always important to be honest.

Rape isn't accepted in our culture, but as seen in the report about Tel Aviv then no need
to rape, as drugs and sex at hand.

Ashkelon mayor arrested for rape, bribery
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Po...hkelon-mayor-arrested-for-rape-bribery-439469

I am still not living in Israel. And that Prostitution is legal in Israel has absolutely nothing to do with what was written.

But hey who cares. When a Jew writes something one has to bring up Israel at least once. I get that. Also learned that during school from the kids of certain cultural backgrounds.

That is your culture, the truth hurts indeed.

**** off.

You too.

 

[Flankerl]

So the criminal charges weren't about the refugees, were they Germans then?

So because in this sentence the word refugee isn't present you conclude that those who did it were Germans?

I thought you could read all news in English. Because I am not going to translate this article. If almost anyone else would ask me I'd do it. But you? Nah.

You said the one who returned back escaped, that was the mayor advice, as to be alert.

No it wasn't. Don't tell me what a person speaking German said. You only have translations.

She said that its always possible to have an arms length distance to strangers. And that is wrong.

Lol, the Germans men are Angels.

Wake Up Germany, You've Got A Serious Sexual Harassment Problem


In 2010, a survey by Germany’s Federal Ministry of Family Affairs, Senior Citizens, Women and Youth stated that 60% of women said they had experienced sexual harassment in public, at the workplace, or socially. Out of those, one out of two women said she had feared for her own safety and one woman in ten reported actual physical violence.

In 22% of cases, the incident took place at work or school. A few were traumatized by what happened, and had panic attacks at the thought of returning to where it took place. "In most cases, there is a big discrepancy in power between the perpetrator and the victim, and the former often abuse the latter’s dependence," the report said.

Read the full article: Wake Up Germany, You've Got A Serious Sexual Harassment Problem
Worldcrunch - top stories from the world's best news sources
Follow us: @worldcrunch on Twitter | Worldcrunch on Facebook

Ah the Brüderle case. You do realise that he just said some really stupid pick-up lines right? He did not rape her. Nor did he ever try.

Also no one ever said that German men don't sexually harass women. But you know what? They never meet up to gangrape women.

Rape isn't accepted in our culture, but as seen in the report about Tel Aviv then no need
to rape, as drugs and sex at hand.

Ashkelon mayor arrested for rape, bribery
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Po...hkelon-mayor-arrested-for-rape-bribery-439469

But if its accepted to do these things, why was the mayor arrested? Oups.

That is your culture, the truth hurts indeed.

So I live in Israel. Than why am I so cold? Where is the sun? And why is everyone speaking German?

You too.

Think about what you wrote. If that is at all possible.

 

[FearGod]

So because in this sentence the word refugee isn't present you conclude that those who did it were Germans?

I thought you could read all news in English. Because I am not going to translate this article. If almost anyone else would ask me I'd do it. But you? Nah.

The translation is very clear, the news and you say the refugees did it and the criminal charges
says 1000, it doesn't need translation, it needs a smart mind to comprehend.

I'm afraid even though you speak German but still you don't comprehend the article very well and
i don't need you to translate it because i realize whats its all about.

No it wasn't. Don't tell me what a person speaking German said. You only have translations.

She said that its always possible to have an arms length distance to strangers. And that is wrong.

Yes it means to stay away from them, a good advice.

Ah the Brüderle case. You do realise that he just said some really stupid pick-up lines right? He did not rape her. Nor did he ever try.

No, it tells the truth in which you want to deny and hence stupid.

Also no one ever said that German men don't sexually harass women. But you know what? They never meet up to gangrape women.

There's no gangs to rape women, it's utterly stupid to believe so.
Gangs are an organized groups, they can rape girl if alone in her house, but to rape
her in a city full of people and in the open air, but yes many stupid will believe your
filthy games against the refugees and against the mayor for her sympathy towards the
refugees, but Germany isn't stupid, the police themselves said the condition was peaceful.

But if its accepted to do these things, why was the mayor arrested? Oups.

Do you want them to arrest most of the population, Oups
When they arrest the mayor then its a warning for the others as well.
Beat one the others will be afraid, really they made the right decision.

Report: Every Third Israeli Woman Falls Victim to Sexual Assault

Large gaps between religious groups were also found in cases of sexual violence - and the report notes that the difference stems from "structural under-reporting" of crime in Arab society. Thus, while Jewish women account for 76 percent of the total population of women in Israel, they constitute 83 percent of the victims of sexual assault. Muslim women constitute about 16 percent of all the women in Israel but account for 6.5 percent of the victims of sexual assault against women. Eighty out of every 100,000 Jewish women have experienced sexual violence as compared to 20 among every 100,000 women belonging to other religious groups in Israel.

read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...woman-falls-victim-to-sexual-assault-1.476888

So I live in Israel. Than why am I so cold? Where is the sun? And why is everyone speaking German?

Your culture is a Jewish even if you live in honolulu.

Think about what you wrote. If that is at all possible.

Good advice for you and not me

 

[Flankerl]

The translation is very clear, the news and you say the refugees did it and the criminal charges
says 1000, it doesn't need translation, it needs a smart mind to comprehend.

I'm afraid even though you speak German but still you don't comprehend the article very well and
i don't need you to translate it because i realize whats its all about.

Hahaha you are funny.

That's not what you wrote at all. You wrote
"You posted the source yourself as an evidence of the assault being done by 1000 refugees"

That's not what the article says. It merely mentions that there have been almost 1000 complaints at the police.

Stop being such a liar, especially if its on the very same page.

Yes it means to stay away from them, a good advice.

And completely unrealistic. Which you won't understand.

No, it tells the truth in which you want to deny and hence stupid.

More lying. Well I am not surprised.

There's no gangs to rape women, it's utterly stupid to believe so.
Gangs are an organized groups, they can rape girl if alone in her house, but to rape
her in a city full of people and in the open air, but yes many stupid will believe your
filthy games against the refugees and against the mayor for her sympathy towards the
refugees, but Germany isn't stupid, the police themselves said the condition was peaceful.

This is getting more ridiculous with each post.

You know what? Have fun with yourself.

 

[FearGod]

Hahaha you are funny.

That's not what you wrote at all. You wrote
"You posted the source yourself as an evidence of the assault being done by 1000 refugees"

That's not what the article says. It merely mentions that there have been almost 1000 complaints at the police.

Stop being such a liar, especially if its on the very same page.

You need the English news to tell you the same silly thing to prove that i ain't a liar but you were.

Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women

What is particularly disturbing is that the attacks appear to have been organised. Around 1,000 young men arrived in large groups, seemingly with the specific intention of carrying out attacks on women.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046

And completely unrealistic. Which you won't understand.

You said some left the place when they saw the strangers, don't you
think it was a good idea to leave such place because of the crowd of strangers.

More lying. Well I am not surprised.

I ain't lying.

This is getting more ridiculous with each post.

You know what? Have fun with yourself.

And you too

 

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[icehorse]

FearGod said:

My mother won't walk in a crowd of men and if she did then i will blame her and not the filthy men,
my culture prevent women to walk within a crowd of men but i think such things may happen in Israel and
of course i don't like it to happen to your mother if she walked in the crowd of rapists.

This strikes me as a very clear example of how different cultures and values are. I usually identify with Humanists, and the worldview and values implied by FearGod's statement stand in stark contrast with the worldview and values of the Humanist.

In my opinion, this discussion is an example of a clash of cultures and values.

FearGod, I place a high value on every person's freedoms. You are - apparently - willing to compromise on personal freedoms for women because many "filthy men" cannot be trusted. Am I interpreting you correctly?

 

[Thanda]

I do. It scapegoats survivors and acts as an apologist for the perpetrators (they're gonna try and rape anyway, so women try harder next time, is the gist).

Now answer my question. You claimed that giving caution to women doesn't mean ignoring the rapists. I think that claim needs to be backed up with how rapists are NOT being ignored in this thread for rape prevention.

Back your claim up, please. From this thread, and from posts that agree with the mayor's advice. I'll wait.

There are a few things I find odd with this statement. Firstly since most of us on this thread have not offered any rape prevention advice of any kind, I wonder why you would expect to see some advice that doesn't ignore rapists.


Secondly: Here in South Africa we have one of the highest crime rates in the world. Robbery is one of those crimes we are infested with. I have noticed that most of the messages around this crime focus on what we as citizens can do to reduce our risk (e.g. with regards to home robberies we are advised to vary the times we leave and enter our homes; w.r.t hijackings we are advised to be more alert and to vary our routes that we take to go home). All in all there is little to no advice for the criminals themselves other than "we're going to get you".

All in all this appears to be quite a normal thing for most police forces to do: give advice to citizens about how to maintain their own safety.

And there is something we should realize. We are each of us ultimately responsible for own safety. Even though we pay taxes to have a police force we are still ultimately responsible for our own safety. Nothing can take that responsibility away. So yes every person who wishes to not be a victim of crime does need to put in a concerted effort to know what they can do to reduce their risk. And this includes women with regards to rape. It is not the government's responsibility to keep you, Mystic, safe. They have a general responsibility to keep the crime down as low as possible, but they are not tasked with your specific safety. So, for example the government can put strategies in place that reduce crime by 99%. And if they have done so then most of us will consider they have delivered on their mandate. It is then up to each of us to do our best to ensure we're not part of that 1% that does and will always fall through the cracks.

So what I'm trying to say is that I find it odd that you and other feminists have this idea that any inference that women have some responsibility for preventing their own rapes is tantamount to victim blaming. I find this odd since we are all us responsible for keeping ourselves safe from every kind of crime.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

My mother won't walk in a crowd of men and if she did then i will blame her and not the filthy men,
my culture prevent women to walk within a crowd of men...

So you place the responsibility for the men's inability to control their behaviour or thoughts on the woman; and that it's the woman's fault for being raped because she walked in a crowd of men who may or may not rape her; depending on where their choices (which they aren't in any way responsible for, apparently) take them.

Maybe your culture would be slightly less barbaric if you got it through your collectively thick skulls that the onus of responsibility for a person's actions lies with the person performing that action and not anybody the action is aimed at. If Arabs/Muslims taught their men that they should take responsibility for how they think & act in relation to others then there wouldn't be an Arab/Muslim rape culture. Seriously, women in Arab countries cover themselves head-to-toe in dark, unrevealing cloth and they still get raped regularly. How is it you've not figured out why that is by now?

To apply your logic to another situation: the Grand Mosque in Mecca deserved to have the crane fall on it because it was sitting there, so big and crushable. It wasn't because of the bad weather or because of a weakness in the crane's infrastructure. The Mosque was there, just asking to be crushed.

 

[FearGod]

So you place the responsibility for the men's inability to control their behaviour or thoughts on the woman; and that it's the woman's fault for being raped because she walked in a crowd of men who may or may not rape her; depending on where their choices (which they aren't in any way responsible for, apparently) take them.

Maybe your culture would be slightly less barbaric if you got it through your collectively thick skulls that the onus of responsibility for a person's actions lies with the person performing that action and not anybody the action is aimed at. If Arabs/Muslims taught their men that they should take responsibility for how they think & act in relation to others then there wouldn't be an Arab/Muslim rape culture. Seriously, women in Arab countries cover themselves head-to-toe in dark, unrevealing cloth and they still get raped regularly. How is it you've not figured out why that is by now?

To apply your logic to another situation: the Grand Mosque in Mecca deserved to have the crane fall on it because it was sitting there, so big and crushable. It wasn't because of the bad weather or because of a weakness in the crane's infrastructure. The Mosque was there, just asking to be crushed.

I said it before " you're Angels".

 

[Shad]

I said it before " you're Angels".

Sampling bias. Look at all the men that did nothing. They outnumber the ones that said something to her. You are using a tiny example to generalize. Less than 2 mins of men being jerks, with more men not being jerks in this 2 mins, out of 10 hours...

 

[icehorse]

I'm not condoning cat-calls, they are a form of abuse. That said, cat-calls are not the moral equivalent of rape.