Mass Assault in Cologne, Mayor blames female victims ?!

[FearGod]

I'm not even having this conversation with you.

And not with the others as well, thats why i asked you to quote me saying
that men should have the lust towards women and to treat them according to their dresses,
i never said that or even something close to it.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Now, let's be fair.

The whole story is all about the mayor, what a crime she did by making an advice
while the investigation is going on, the situation is bad, women be alert, don't
walk close to men.

Some people just hate the mayor and anything she says is wrong regardless.

The fact that her advice attracts mentalities like yours, the same mentality that produced this:

Yes you were lucky that all the men around you were Angels assuming that you're pretty enough.

Is evidence that there's something wrong with the line of reasoning that breeds such "advice."

I'm really glad you made the post I just quoted. It reveals a whole lot about the kind of attitude that advocates "rape prevention measures" like the mayor's.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I've a question of my own....
Do you intend to distract from a call to honor the spirit & rules
of RF by introducing a veiled personal accusation about me?
Should it be about the issues or the poster?

OK, I had 2 questions, not just one.

1) One of my main jobs as an administrator is to uphold the spirit and mission of the forum. However, I don't go around moderating people while debating them. That would be unprofessional. When I debate people, I do so as a regular member.

2) My question is about your stance on the issues at hand, and you still haven't answered it. Do you denounce that post or not?

 

[Revoltingest]

1) One of my main jobs as an administrator is to uphold the spirit and mission of the forum. However, I don't go around moderating people while debating them. That would be unprofessional. When I debate people, I do so as a regular member.

I don't discuss moderation.
But I do advise posters when I see violations which derail discussion.

2) My question is about your stance on the issues at hand, and you still haven't answered it. Do you denounce that post or not?

I do not denounce on command by anyone, staff or otherwise.
I do not cooperate with attempts to make the conversation personal & dismissive.
I do not like when other posters violate the spirit & rules out of personal rancor.

Btw, I notice I'm not alone in not answering some questions.

 

[FearGod]

You implied that being "pretty enough" provoked sexual harassment or assault. Here, again:



Now I'm wondering if any of the people who accused staunch feminists of being "man-haters" will have the nerve to call out the above rape apologetics as the misandrist and misogynistic venom that it is.

Do you expect the rapists will target women whos of the age of 60s?
Yes, they'll target the younger ones, not my suggestion but that's a fact.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I don't discuss moderation.
But I do advise posters when I see violations which derail discussion.

But apparently you don't see the need to "advise" posters who blatantly espouse rape apologetics.

Quite the priorities you have.

I do not denounce on command by anyone, staff or otherwise.
I do not cooperate with attempts to make the conversation personal & dismissive.
I do not like when other posters violate the spirit & rules out of personal rancor.

And a post that smacks of misogyny, misandry, and sexual harassment and rape justification is apparently not opposed enough to whatever "spirit" you are promoting here. You feel the need to police the tone of feminists you disagree with, but when it comes to flagrant rape apologetics, no... let's not offend delicate feelings.

Again, quite the priorities.

 

[FearGod]

I'm really glad you made the post I just quoted. It reveals a whole lot about the kind of attitude that advocates "rape prevention measures" like the mayor's.

That was utterly stupid, i ain't the one saying so, but the rapists targets the young women,
if you want me to prove it, then ask me and i'll google it for you.

This's a fact and not from my own mind.

 

[Revoltingest]

But apparently you don't see the need to "advise" posters who blatantly espouse rape apologetics.
Quite the priorities you have.

I notice that when some are weak on the issues, some go after the poster.

And a post that smacks of misogyny, misandry, and sexual harassment and rape justification is apparently not opposed enough to whatever "spirit" you are promoting here. You feel the need to police the tone of feminists you disagree with, but when it comes to flagrant rape apologetics, no... let's not offend delicate feelings.
Again, quite the priorities.

When some cannot refute what I post, some must invent some personal shortcoming to decry.
We have rules here.
When I see fit, I recommend practicing them....even on both sides of an issue.
This makes some posters angry.
Some lash out.
So be it.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Do you expect the rapists will target women whos of the age of 60s?
Yes, they'll target the younger ones, not my suggestion but that's a fact.

That was utterly stupid, i ain't the one saying so, but the rapists targets the young women,
if you want me to prove it, then ask me and i'll google it for you.

This's a fact and not from my own mind.

My late grandmother was grabbed and hugged by a random person on the street. She was in her 60s at the time.

It's not like these things matter to you, though. After all, rape apologetics is rarely based on facts or reason.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

1) One of my main jobs as an administrator is to uphold the spirit and mission of the forum. However, I don't go around moderating people while debating them. That would be unprofessional. When I debate people, I do so as a regular member.

2) My question is about your stance on the issues at hand, and you still haven't answered it. Do you denounce that post or not?

Did I call it? Or did I call it?

Lather, rinse, repeat. Same ol' song and dance every single time.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I notice that when some are weak on the issues, some go after the poster.

And when one is weak on the issues, one feels the need to police other members' tones.

When some cannot refute what I post, some must invent some personal shortcoming to decry.
We have rules here.
I recommend practicing them when I see fit.
This makes some posters angry.
Some lash out.
So be it.

So you still don't denounce the post. I think this puts your policing posts in the proper light for any observers and readers here. My job is pretty much done.

 

[FearGod]

My late grandmother was grabbed and hugged by a random person on the street. She was in her 60s at the time.

It's not like these things matter to you, though. After all, rape apologetics is rarely based on facts or reason.

grabbed and Hugged.
He was surely drunk.

 

[Debater Slayer]

grabbed and Hugged.
He was surely drunk.

I don't know. What matters is that he did that even though she was in her 60s, so obviously it's not only young women who get sexually harassed or assaulted.

 

[FearGod]

This is just one article.

Aggravated assault victims are targeted because they’re just too sexy

Rape is a criminal act, and it is a crime most men won’t commit regardless of how short a girl’s skirt is or how lovely her legs. But the fact that rapists tend to target young women rather than grandmotherly types suggests that in the real rape culture (in contrast to the imaginary rape culture of some feminist ideology), the faux-hos of Halloween and their SlutWalker counterparts marching in their underwear — like a man walking at night with a bulging wallet — should be careful about where they flash their treasure.

Emphasis mine. Allen’s point is that rape is about sexual desire, and that women who are scantily clad stoke that desire in men who then assault them. Her evidence? Younger women tend to be the victims of sexual assault. And since younger women are, she says, the height of female attractiveness, that proves that sexual desire is a factor.

http://www.feministe.us/blog/archiv...ms-are-targeted-because-theyre-just-too-sexy/

 

[FearGod]

I don't know. What matters is that he did that even though she was in her 60s, so obviously it's not only young women who get sexually harassed or assaulted.

Yes everything i say is wrong, exactly as the mayor is.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Yes everything i say is wrong, exactly as the mayor is.

How do you explain that a woman in her 60s was sexually harassed? That directly contradicts your statement that only young women are targets of such harassment or assaults.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

That was utterly stupid, i ain't the one saying so, but the rapists targets the young women,
if you want me to prove it, then ask me and i'll google it for you.

This's a fact and not from my own mind.

Rapists target people who are vulnerable to establish power and control. It's a dehumanization and violent urge primarily motivated property rights and entitlement mentality.

It is not a subset of sex. This is why it's called sexual violence and not violent sex. Rape assumed from attractiveness and desirability and cultural norms of beauty standards perpetuates myths about the crime that is unhelpful, patronizing, paternalistic, and counter-productive.

Gang rape, stranger rape, acquaintance rape, date rape, statutory rape, child rape, marital rape, intimate partner sexual violence...all fall under the same generalized umbrella of entitlement mentality and dehumanization.

This is what the world needs to fight against. Not some inane and lousy guesses about how women need to take responsibility for avoiding getting raped by rapey men.

 

[Rival]

Bottom line:

Girls need to stop being attractive, then men won't have to learn to control themselves.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

This is just one article.

Aggravated assault victims are targeted because they’re just too sexy

Rape is a criminal act, and it is a crime most men won’t commit regardless of how short a girl’s skirt is or how lovely her legs. But the fact that rapists tend to target young women rather than grandmotherly types suggests that in the real rape culture (in contrast to the imaginary rape culture of some feminist ideology), the faux-hos of Halloween and their SlutWalker counterparts marching in their underwear — like a man walking at night with a bulging wallet — should be careful about where they flash their treasure.

Emphasis mine. Allen’s point is that rape is about sexual desire, and that women who are scantily clad stoke that desire in men who then assault them. Her evidence? Younger women tend to be the victims of sexual assault. And since younger women are, she says, the height of female attractiveness, that proves that sexual desire is a factor.

http://www.feministe.us/blog/archiv...ms-are-targeted-because-theyre-just-too-sexy/

Your link is actually an argument against your claim.

 

[FearGod]

Rapists target people who are vulnerable to establish power and control. It's a dehumanization and violent urge primarily motivated property rights and entitlement mentality.

It is not a subset of sex. This is why it's called sexual violence and not violent sex. Rape assumed from attractiveness and desirability and cultural norms of beauty standards perpetuates myths about the crime that is unhelpful, patronizing, paternalistic, and counter-productive.

Gang rape, stranger rape, acquaintance rape, date rape, statutory rape, child rape, marital rape, intimate partner sexual violence...all fall under the same generalized umbrella of entitlement mentality and dehumanization.

This is what the world needs to fight against. Not some inane and lousy guesses about how women need to take responsibility for avoiding getting raped by rapey men.

I see no problem with the caution measures while punishing the abusers, no one says
the abusers should be free.