Mass Assault in Cologne, Mayor blames female victims ?!

[4consideration]

How to rape a girl among the crowd? in the open air!



The video isn't clear, and that was in Egypt.



I didn't respond to the video as it isn't clear beside it was from Egypt and not Germany.



Thats why they separated men and women in the vehicles, China and Japan did it first.

The video was posted on January 16, 2016 on youtube with the title "Women in Cologne Germany dragged into subway by migrants"

I think it was from Germany. What makes you certain it's from Egypt and not Germany? Is it the language of the graffiti, or something else?

Not true, my comment was based on the study that 90% women were harassed by men
in the workplace, hence i said what i had said.

That does not follow from the conversation. You would have to be completely changing the subject in the middle of the conversation from the brutality displayed in the video to sexual harassment in general.

You and I were not talking about sexual harassment in the workplace at all, and you posted that after your comment about the men I know being angels, unless I wasn't pretty enough. It's a silly and amusing tactic to try and get a woman upset by insinuating they're not pretty enough to be harassed. It's not going to work with me.

Gang is something organized and that isn't the case, the same people do the harassment
at workplace will gather with no plan and do it through the crowd.

"Gang" is so completely what this whole conversation is about, it's mid-boggling that you would say this.

The whole news story is how many of the attacks appear to be "organized" attacks that included, among other things, many, many cases of sexual assault and robbery.

I was talking about the group of men in the video acting as a gang. The news stories are about the large number of incidents that appear to be organized, criminal behavior.

The conversation here is about the events on New Years Eve in Cologne, Germany, and what has been said about them after the event. This conversation is not about sexual harassment in general, and I have no intention of wandering off the topic that far.

 

[FearGod]

The video was posted on January 16, 2016 on youtube with the title "Women in Cologne Germany dragged into subway by migrants"

I think it was from Germany. What makes you certain it's from Egypt and not Germany? Is it the language of the graffiti, or something else?

Watch the video carefully then you can see the people aren't Germans, the video was posted
several times and everytime for a different issue, the media, you know

That does not follow from the conversation. You would have to be completely changing the subject in the middle of the conversation from the brutality displayed in the video to sexual harassment in general.

No i didn't, quote me step by step and prove that i did

You and I were not talking about sexual harassment in the workplace at all, and you posted that after your comment about the men I know being angels, unless I wasn't pretty enough. It's a silly and amusing tactic to try and get a woman upset by insinuating they're not pretty enough to be harassed. It's not going to work with me.

No, you misunderstood me then, i mentioned both in the same post #654

"Gang" is so completely what this whole conversation is about, it's mid-boggling that you would say this.

The whole news story is how many of the attacks appear to be "organized" attacks that included, among other things, many, many cases of sexual assault and robbery.

If organized then it's a filthy job, the purpose of it not harassment but politics, you can see how
they used the fake video to fool you.

I was talking about the group of men in the video acting as a gang. The news stories are about the large number of incidents that appear to be organized, criminal behavior.

You said before that some men may do the harassment but they do it gently or in a calm way, so what happened
in Cologne is abnormal which indicates that something was planned for, and i think for political reasons.

The conversation here is about the events on New Years Eve in Cologne, Germany, and what has been said about them after the event. This conversation is not about sexual harassment in general, and I have no intention of wandering off the topic that far.

What happened in Cologne is harassment as well, but in mass.

 

[FearGod]

The kind of cultural "values" that teach men that they are animals and that women should cover themselves and be segregated from men to avoid getting sexually harassed or assaulted are worthy of nothing but contempt.

This is exactly the kind of mentality that espouses rape apologetics. I'm actually glad you have posted these comments so that it is clear what kind of mentalities comments like the mayor's attract.

Japan segregated women from men to avoid harassment, does Japan teach men to be animals and to be away
from women.

 

[4consideration]

Watch the video carefully then you can see the people aren't Germans, the video was posted
several times and everytime for a different issue, the media, you know

I looked at the video with the Dutch title and saw that the same video was posted 2 years ago. I agree the video could not be from the Cologne New Year's Eve incident, the way it was posted on youtube as being.

That's as much of a reply as I have time to do at this time. I'll reply to the rest later.

 

[Flankerl]

What's your official source for such claims, and why they didn't claim and shout for help at the spot.

http://www.welt.de/regionales/nrw/a...ster-fast-1000-Anzeigen-in-vier-Staedten.html

Yes you were lucky that all the men around you were Angels assuming that you're pretty enough.

Wow.

Watch the video carefully then you can see the people aren't Germans

True but that is also true for the perpetrators of New Years Night.

How to rape a girl among the crowd? in the open air!

Has been explained to you. Stop acting like no one did.

If so, did you rush to help her? She was being attacked in true pack-animal fashion. Where were you?
(edit: Alert. The video is very disturbing.)

Cologne is quite the ****hole, but not like that. The Video is from Egypt.

 

[FearGod]

http://www.welt.de/regionales/nrw/a...ster-fast-1000-Anzeigen-in-vier-Staedten.html

The news paper is an evidence, and even the only available video is a fake one.

True but that is also true for the perpetrators of New Years Night.

Where're they?

Has been explained to you. Stop acting like no one did.

No, many people were celebrating, so a huge crowd of people were there.
Raping in such events is impossible.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Japan segregated women from men to avoid harassment, does Japan teach men to be animals and to be away
from women.

I have already said that Japanese culture is far from exemplary when it comes to treatment of women. The fact that some Japanese people feel the need for gender segregation in public doesn't justify doing that elsewhere.

 

[Flankerl]

The news paper is an evidence,

The newspaper got this information from the police. Which obviously just hates Arabs, especially FearGod.

Where're they?

Yes. But its all a conspiracy against the noble Arab man. Especially against FearGod.

No, many people were celebrating, so a huge crowd of people were there.
Raping in such events is impossible.

8 men surround a few women. Some 10 men around these 8 men. Congratulations no one can see anything. Due to the volume of all the rockets going up no one can hear anything.

Now go and cry in your corner.

 

[FearGod]

I have already said that Japanese culture is far from exemplary when it comes to treatment of women. The fact that some Japanese people feel the need for gender segregation in public doesn't justify doing that elsewhere.

And which nation is exemplary to you for the treatment of women.

 

[Debater Slayer]

And which nation is exemplary to you for the treatment of women.

None, unfortunately; however, some are closer than others. Most Western countries are far closer than most Eastern ones, even though the former are not perfect by any means.

 

[FearGod]

The newspaper got this information from the police. Which obviously just hates Arabs, especially FearGod.

Where're the criminals? where're their pictures? and what the evidence that they were the abusers

Yes. But its all a conspiracy against the noble Arab man. Especially against FearGod.

I'm asking for the evidence, while you're repeating the same nonsense.

8 men surround a few women. Some 10 men around these 8 men. Congratulations no one can see anything. Due to the volume of all the rockets going up no one can hear anything.

Now go and cry in your corner.

Did they rape them standing or on the ground?

 

[Debater Slayer]

Where're the criminals? where're their pictures? and what the evidence that they were the abusers



I'm asking for the evidence, while you're repeating the same nonsense.



Did they rape them standing or on the ground?

One has to ask why you are so apologetic and defensive when talking about sexual assault and harassment, to the point of saying something like this:

Yes you were lucky that all the men around you were Angels assuming that you're pretty enough.

Are you a rape apologist, FearGod? Do you want to defend rape and sexual harassment?

 

[Revoltingest]

None, unfortunately; however, some are closer than others. Most Western countries are far closer than most Eastern ones, even though the former are not perfect by any means.

I can't remember each of the countries, but #1 daughter has been telling me about treatment of women in her travels throughout the world.
SE Asia (she visited Viet Nam, Cambodia, Thailand) was no problem.
S America (she visited Peru, Columbia & others)....some countries ignored women.
She really liked Peru.

Caution:
Don't read too much into the experiences of a Asian looking Americastanian tourist.
These are just interesting impressions.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Yes you were lucky that all the men around you were Angels assuming that you're pretty enough.

I can't remember each of the countries, but #1 daughter has been telling me about treatment of women in her travels throughout the world.
SE Asia (she visited Viet Nam, Cambodia, Thailand) was no problem.
S America (she visited Peru, Columbia & others)....some countries ignored women.
She really liked Peru.

Caution:
Don't read too much into the experiences of a Asian looking Americastanian tourist.
These are just interesting impressions.

Generally and with some exceptions, the experiences of tourists are hardly indicative of the treatment of women in the places they visit. Tourists don't experience family restrictions, wage disparity, arranged marriages, or workplace sexism (among other things) in the places they visit.

 

[Revoltingest]

Generally and with some exceptions, the experiences of tourists are hardly indicative of the treatment of women in the places they visit. Tourists don't experience family restrictions, wage disparity, arranged marriages, or workplace sexism (among other things) in the places they visit.

Of course.
That's why I posted the cautionary note.
But she was surprised at the dismissive treatment in parts of S America.

We are all a collection of individuals with incomplete experiences.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Yes you were lucky that all the men around you were Angels assuming that you're pretty enough.

This sentiment is coming from somebody who thinks the mayor was just giving sensible advice.

Pay attention, folks. Because this message directed at 4Con as insulting, patronizing, and sexist as it is...is the underlying message of "rape prevention advice" women hear, including female survivors of rape.

Basically, if you're at all attractive, expect men to attack you. Be responsible and avoid men from attacking you.

And people think *I* am the man-hater in these conversations...

 

[FearGod]

One has to ask why you are so apologetic and defensive when talking about sexual assault and harassment, to the point of saying something like this:

I'm always skeptic in all matters and hence asking for evidences, the same way that
you ask for an evidence that God exists.

Are you a rape apologist, FearGod? Do you want to defend rape and sexual harassment?

Of course not, asking for evidences doesn't mean that i'm.

 

[Flankerl]

Where're the criminals? where're their pictures? and what the evidence that they were the abusers

Its under investigation. If you know what that means. No idea if this concept exists where you live.

I'm asking for the evidence, while you're repeating the same nonsense.

So you want to see ripped underwear and bleeding vaginas? I wonder why the police doesn't show these pictures.

Did they rape them standing or on the ground?

Standing and some on the ground. All quite easy to understand if you don't smell a conspiracy behind every corner.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I'm always skeptic in all matters and hence asking for evidences, the same way that
you ask for an evidence that God exists.

There is a difference between rational skepticism and unreasonable denial. Besides, this statement—which I sure as hell am going to hold against you from now on—is not about skepticism:

Yes you were lucky that all the men around you were Angels assuming that you're pretty enough.

This is rape apologetics, plain and simple. Spin it, slice it, dice it, and sugarcoat it in every way you can think of. You still won't be able to change what it is.

Of course not, asking for evidences doesn't mean that i'm.

I don't know which is sadder: that you apparently don't see the rape apologetics in your posts or that it is possible that you do while presenting it as something else.

 

[Revoltingest]

Pay attention, folks. Because this message directed at 4Con as insulting, patronizing, and sexist as it
is...is the underlying message of "rape prevention advice" women hear, including female survivors of rape.

This inference from one person's posts should not be writ large as "the underlying message" for all who would give advice.
This would be as wrong as taking one feminist's or one MRA's extreme views as characterizing all others.
I find some posts disturbing, but I wouldn't attribute them to others.

We must remember that FG is one individual, in a very different country, coping with a language not his own.