Mass Assault in Cologne, Mayor blames female victims ?!

[Revoltingest]

Actually, it would not be okay to say that Western or Middle Eastern people are barbaric. Calling the cultures barbaric without involving people is a different thing.

But adding "somewhat" makes it warmer & fuzzier by making it about something less
than the entire people & culture.
It would also be prudent to describe the nature of the barbarism, eg, the death penalty.

 

[Debater Slayer]

But adding "somewhat" makes it warmer & fuzzier by making it about something less
than the entire people & culture.
It would also be prudent to describe the nature of the barbarism, eg, the death penalty.

If someone calls another member "somewhat barbaric," they will still be in violation of the rules. "Somewhat" doesn't make much difference.

 

[FearGod]

But adding "somewhat" makes it warmer & fuzzier by making it about something less
than the entire people & culture.
It would also be prudent to describe the nature of the barbarism, eg, the death penalty.

I see it as slandering to one's culture, i won't do it myself.

 

[Revoltingest]

If someone calls another member "somewhat barbaric," they will still be in violation of the rules. "Somewhat" doesn't make much difference.

I agree about such a comment towards a fellow poster.

 

[Revoltingest]

I see it as slandering to one's culture, i won't do it myself.

Actually, it would be libel (written).
Slander is spoken.

When I get pedantic, you're allowed to throw a potato at me.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Where're they? how you know if they were telling the truth or not? why you believe without seeing it yourself?
What if the same guys were moving from one place to one another and doing the same job?
If you believe then show us your evidence?

I'm not going to deny reports from authorities just because its conclusions are uncomfortable for some people. We believe things without seeing them ourselves all the time. I see no reason to make an exception here, aside from possibly being too apologetic to accept that there are criminals among refugees.

 

[FearGod]

I'm not going to deny reports from authorities just because its conclusions are uncomfortable for some people. We believe things without seeing them ourselves all the time. I see no reason to make an exception here, aside from possibly being too apologetic to accept that there are criminals among refugees.

So you don't need an evidence to believe in something, blind faith.

 

[Debater Slayer]

So you don't need an evidence to believe in something, blind faith.

I think deferring to the proper authorities is not blind faith. There is a reason to defer to them since they have expertise in their respective areas of work.

 

[Thanda]

She apparently ignored or forgot the fact that "staying away from strangers" was useless to prevent the mass assault. Saying that staying away from strangers should help is essentially saying that it would have prevented said assault from happening.

No she did not. How do you know her code of conduct was informed by that specific assault? The carnival, I expect, was going to have thousands of women attending. Were there thousands of women attacked in the previous assault?

The situations are vastly different. If you cannot see the difference between a few women having a get-together and a carnival and the different safety precautions that each has at their disposal then I fully understand why you are not a law enforcement official.

 

[Debater Slayer]

No she did not. How do you know her code of conduct was informed by that specific assault? The carnival, I expect, was going to have thousands of women attending. Were there thousands of women attacked in the previous assault?

The situations are vastly different. If you cannot see the difference between a few women having a get-together and a carnival and the different safety precautions that each has at their disposal then I fully understand why you are not a law enforcement official.

I don't think she randomly decided to come out and propose such "code of conduct" out of the blue; she did it because an assault had occurred at a previous event.

 

[Thanda]

I don't think she randomly decided to come out and propose such "code of conduct" out of the blue; she did it because an assault had occurred at a previous event.

Possibly, but that is irrelevant. Suppose a group of terrorists blows a police department in a particular city. Now suppose that city is due to be visited by the president. In response to that security services will draw up a program to ensure that the president's safety will be managed. There will be a code of conduct for members of the security forces. There will also be a code of conduct for the president himself and those who are to travel with him. This code of conduct will not be the code of conduct they would have used to prevent the bombing of the police station; this code of conduct is specifically for ensuring the president is safe. This code of conduct is likely not even going to mention the police station since the safety of police stations is irrelevant to the safety of the president.

Likewise there is no reason to assume the code of conduct the mayor drew up had any reference to how women should or should have protected themselves in the situation that prevailed during the attack. Instead her code of conduct is focusing on the situation that will prevail at the up coming carnival.

 

[Flankerl]

Were there thousands of women attacked in the previous assault?

821 complaints in Cologne alone. But lol who cares.

 

[Thanda]

821 complaints in Cologne alone. But lol who cares.

Source please. And please define complaints - does each thing someone complained of count as a complaint or each separate individual count as a complaint regardless or how many issues they had?

 

[Sunstone]

821 complaints in Cologne alone. But lol who cares.

Yes, yes, but how many complaints would have been avoided if only the mayor's advice had reached those poor women in time?

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Her advice actually is very useful, women should keep a distance and be alert and asking
the help from the crowd, many will offer their help and support.

Here's one evidence that it works, a woman was groped by a man, she asked for the help and some
guys surrounded him and called the police.

In before someone says she made a false rape accusation and the crowd shouldn't just believe her since his life might now be ruined...[/sarcasm]

 

[FearGod]

In before someone says she made a false rape accusation and the crowd shouldn't just believe her since his life might now be ruined...[/sarcasm]

She won't be able to accuse him if he keeps distance from her, but being close
to her then it means she needs a help and should be treated seriously.

The false accusation is to accuse someone far away from you, or had gone away.

 

[FearGod]

821 complaints in Cologne alone. But lol who cares.

What's your official source for such claims, and why they didn't claim and shout for help at the spot.

 

[Sunstone]

The false accusation is to accuse someone far away from you, or had gone away.

Good to know. Next time I grope a woman, I'll move very quickly away from her so that when the poor, startled woman recovers herself enough to point me out, I will be far enough away for her accusations to be false. Thanks for the tip!

 

[Sunstone]

...and why they didn't claim and shout for help at the spot.

Some years ago, a popular magazine on psychology published an article that pointed out how it's human nature to respond immediately to small offenses (e.g. a stranger, out of the blue, calls you a name), but to go into something akin to shock when greatly offended (e.g. a stranger, out of the blue, punches you in the face). Put differently, the greater the offense, the more likely someone will need time to sort it out before responding. Obviously, this doesn't apply to people like cops who are both trained to respond quickly, and who are to some extent "expecting anything to happen at any moment".

 

[4consideration]

What's your official source for such claims, and why they didn't claim and shout for help at the spot.

The original reports, including those that were known at the time the press conference was held a few days after New Years Day had the reports of violence around 80, or so, and part of the controversy initially was that the police did not give a full picture of the violence, and had indicated is as being peaceful.

However, much later than this conference, a lot of information has come out and I've seen it reported in articles the number of complaints exceeds 800.

The question of why they didn't shout for help strikes me as terribly cold, and even disgusting. Women being attacked shout for help.

Are you saying you would hear the shouts for help of the women in Cologne, so they didn't shout if you didn't hear them?

If so, did you rush to help her? She was being attacked in true pack-animal fashion. Where were you?
(edit: Alert. The video is very disturbing.)