Mass Assault in Cologne, Mayor blames female victims ?!

[FearGod]

Good to know. Next time I grope a woman, I'll move very quickly away from her so that when the poor, startled woman recovers herself enough to point me out, I will be far enough away for her accusations to be false. Thanks for the tip!

If you ran away, then that what she wanted, to leave her alone.

 

[FearGod]

Some years ago, a popular magazine on psychology published an article that pointed out how it's human nature to respond immediately to small offenses (e.g. a stranger, out of the blue, calls you a name), but to go into something akin to shock when greatly offended (e.g. a stranger, out of the blue, punches you in the face). Put differently, the greater the offense, the more likely someone will need time to sort it out before responding. Obviously, this doesn't apply to people like cops who are both trained to respond quickly, and who are to some extent "expecting anything to happen at any moment".

Yes the dick take time in order to be felt and for the woman to start shocking.

 

[FearGod]

The original reports, including those that were known at the time the press conference was held a few days after New Years Day had the reports of violence around 80, or so, and part of the controversy initially was that the police did not give a full picture of the violence, and had indicated is as being peaceful.

However, much later than this conference, a lot of information has come out and I've seen it reported in articles the number of complaints exceeds 800.

The question of why they didn't shout for help strikes me as terribly cold, and even disgusting. Women being attacked shout for help.

Are you saying you would hear the shouts for help of the women in Cologne, so they didn't shout if you didn't hear them?

If so, did you rush to help her? She was being attacked in true pack-animal fashion. Where were you?
(edit: Alert. The video is very disturbing.)

Women being in the mid of the crowded men should expected it, i have already posted a report
which says that French women are harassed by men in daily basis, so i see no solution
other than to separate men from women or just be like men and go with the crowd and
don't complain if some dicks weren't able to resist the butts.

 

[4consideration]

Women being in the mid of the crowded men should expected it, i have already posted a report
which says that French women are harassed by men in daily basis, so i see no solution
other than to separate men from women or just be like men and go with the crowd and
don't complain if some dicks weren't able to resist the butts.

Are you serious?

Are you seriously saying women should expect to be hauled around and mauled by a group of men?

I am eternally grateful for all the men in my life, because I can't even imagine one of them saying such a thing.

I see a solution. The solution is not just throw one's hands up in the air and say, "oh well, what are we gonna do? Guess there's nothing to be done. We'll just have to accept it."

The solution I see is to prosecute and deport the non-citizens that are doing these things, and jail any of those that are citizens. Word getting around that nothing much will be done encourages the behavior of those that will do it, and discourages the reporting of violations. There's no point reporting, if nothing will be done.

By the same token, word will get around eventually if that type of behavior leads people to being deported, that behaving like that will get one deported -- some will actually make the connection with the behavior not being tolerated, and will stop doing it. Eventually, the numbers of criminals would decrease, and the higher percentage of the population return to people that do not do that sort of thing.

 

[Sunstone]

Women being in the mid of the crowded men should expected it
...

You seem to feel that men are such irresponsible dickheads that women should expect vile behavior from them. What's wrong with expecting men to be decent people?

 

[Revoltingest]

Are you serious?
Are you seriously saying women should expect to be hauled around and mauled by a group of men?

I'm guessing that he refers to particular locales with a plethora of boors.
Certainly, the claim isn't true of many places, eg, Revoltistan & environs.
But where assaults are common, one should anticipate what is common.

 

[FearGod]

You seem to feel that men are such irresponsible dickheads that women should expect vile behavior from them. What's wrong with expecting men to be decent people?

Not all men are Angels.

 

[Revoltingest]

Not all men are Angels.

The video made me curious.
I asked #1 daughter if she ever encountered a perv in NYC during the
1+ year she lived & worked there (commuting by subway everywhere).
She said never.
Some places are safer than others.

 

[4consideration]

I'm guessing that he refers to particular locales with a plethora of boors.
Certainly, the claim isn't true of many places, eg, Revoltistan & environs.
But where assaults are common, one should anticipate what is common.

Possibly. I did not read it that way, especially since it was the below quote that I first responded to today. In that quote, the attitude seemed that maybe it all didn't happen (edit: in Cologne,) since he hadn't heard the screams.

What happens in France may be relevant to the larger conversation here, but it seemed to me an attempt to say that it's really bad in another country, so instead of correcting that, let's just all change our behavior to accommodate criminals. I really do get exercising caution. I would caution my daughter, and anyone else about crowd safety, probably enough to annoy the begeezes out of them.

What's your official source for such claims, and why they didn't claim and shout for help at the spot.

But even in such high crime places, while it is important for anyone to take precautions for safety, and guarding against criminal behavior, I don't think the solution being to separate men and woman, and simply accept it that some men haven't been taught to keep their hands to themselves. We should not keep from addressing the problem.

I think one can practice much caution AND still work toward a long term solution.

 

[FearGod]

Are you serious?

Are you seriously saying women should expect to be hauled around and mauled by a group of men?

I am eternally grateful for all the men in my life, because I can't even imagine one of them saying such a thing.

I see a solution. The solution is not just throw one's hands up in the air and say, "oh well, what are we gonna do? Guess there's nothing to be done. We'll just have to accept it."

The solution I see is to prosecute and deport the non-citizens that are doing these things, and jail any of those that are citizens. Word getting around that nothing much will be done encourages the behavior of those that will do it, and discourages the reporting of violations. There's no point reporting, if nothing will be done.

By the same token, word will get around eventually if that type of behavior leads people to being deported, that behaving like that will get one deported -- some will actually make the connection with the behavior not being tolerated, and will stop doing it. Eventually, the numbers of criminals would decrease, and the higher percentage of the population return to people that do not do that sort of thing.

Yes you were lucky that all the men around you were Angels assuming that you're pretty enough.

90% of women 'sexually harassed in the workplace'

Nine in ten women have suffered some form of sexual discrimination in the workplace, a study has found.

A vast majority of women workers have experienced ‘gender harassment’, which includes offensive sexist remarks or being told that they could not do their job properly due to their sex.

This more common, low-level sexist behaviour was just as damaging and distressing as overt advances, experts suggest.

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[Revoltingest]

Possibly. I did not read it that way, especially since it was the below quote that I first responded to today. In that quote, the attitude seemed that maybe it all didn't happen (edit: in Cologne,) since he hadn't heard the screams.

What happens in France may be relevant to the larger conversation here, but it seemed to me an attempt to say that it's really bad in another country, so instead of correcting that, let's just all change our behavior to accommodate criminals. I really do get exercising caution. I would caution my daughter, and anyone else about crowd safety, probably enough to annoy the begeezes out of them.

His English is a work in progress, so we might come away with different inferences.

But even in such high crime places, while it is important for anyone to take precautions for safety, and guarding against criminal behavior, I don't think the solution being to separate men and woman, and simply accept it that some men haven't been taught to keep their hands to themselves. We should not keep from addressing the problem.
I think one can practice much caution AND still work toward a long term solution.

In my experience, some women don't know to keep their hands to themselves either.
(The complaint I got from them was not touching enuf.)

 

[FearGod]

Backward desert values, folks. Backward desert values.

Where? in the workplace.

 

[4consideration]

Yes you were lucky that all the men around you were Angels assuming that you're pretty enough.

You have just revealed your character to me.

Pretty enough to be raped? Angels for not raping me?

Isn't that sweet.

 

[FearGod]

His English is a work in progress, so we might come away with different inferences.

Yes indeed, i'm still learning.

 

[FearGod]

You have just revealed your character to me.

Pretty enough to be raped? Angels for not raping me?

Isn't that sweet.

Did you read the report?

 

[Debater Slayer]

Where? in the workplace.

The kind of cultural "values" that teach men that they are animals and that women should cover themselves and be segregated from men to avoid getting sexually harassed or assaulted are worthy of nothing but contempt.

This is exactly the kind of mentality that espouses rape apologetics. I'm actually glad you have posted these comments so that it is clear what kind of mentalities comments like the mayor's attract.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Yes you were lucky that all the men around you were Angels assuming that you're pretty enough.

90% of women 'sexually harassed in the workplace'

Nine in ten women have suffered some form of sexual discrimination in the workplace, a study has found.

A vast majority of women workers have experienced ‘gender harassment’, which includes offensive sexist remarks or being told that they could not do their job properly due to their sex.

This more common, low-level sexist behaviour was just as damaging and distressing as overt advances, experts suggest.

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In before somebody claims they weren't any cases of harassment, they were just clumsy compliments, and that feminists are just in hysterics over nothing.

 

[FearGod]

In before somebody claims they weren't any cases of harassment, they were just clumsy compliments, and that feminists are just in hysterics over nothing.

Do you think the 90% of women had reported it or just kept silent?

 

[4consideration]

Did you read the report?

No. I don't need to read the report. The report is about sexual harassment. I'm not talking about sexual harassment. I'm talking about the conversation you and I were having. You and I were not talking about sexual harassment. It was more like gang-rape, or gang-attack, than unwanted sexual advances.

I was talking about your terrible reply to the video of the woman being hauled into the subway and being violently attacked -- possibly gang-raped, although the full extent of the attack is not certain from the video. Her constant screams were pretty obvious, though.

You said women should expect that sort of thing if they are in the middle of a group of men. That's disgusting. If you follow my conversation with you, I am not talking about mild, unwanted sexual advances. That is a serious, but separate, issue.

I was talking about attacks. Brutal, animalistic, violent and vicious attacks. Just exactly what was portrayed in the video of the post you responded to in your post #646.

In response to the terrible video you said women should expect to be treated (gang-attacked) like that when in the middle of a bunch of men.

I said I thought that was terrible and I was thankful the men in my life don't think like that.

You seemed to assert the men in my life must be angels for not having gang-attacked, unless it was just that I wasn't pretty enough to get that sort of attention from them. That tells me about you. It says nothing about me.

I didn't say the men in my life would never express sexual interest in the work-place, or in some other way that might be unwanted by someone else. I don't know that. I do feel confident they don't go around gang-attacking women, though.

 

[FearGod]

No. I don't need to read the report. The report is about sexual harassment. I'm not talking about sexual harassment. I'm talking about the conversation you and I were having. You and I were not talking about sexual harassment. It was more like gang-rape, or gang-attack, than unwanted sexual advances.

How to rape a girl among the crowd? in the open air!

I was talking about your terrible reply to the video of the woman being hauled into the subway and being violently attacked -- possibly gang-raped, although the full extent of the attack is not certain from the video. Her constant screams were pretty obvious, though.

The video isn't clear, and that was in Egypt.

You said women should expect that sort of thing if they are in the middle of a group of men. That's disgusting. If you follow my conversation with you, I am not talking about mild, unwanted sexual advances. That is a serious, but separate, issue.

I was talking about attacks. Brutal, animalistic, violent and vicious attacks. Just exactly what was portrayed in the video of the post you responded to in your post #646.

I didn't respond to the video as it isn't clear beside it was from Egypt and not Germany.

In response to the terrible video you said women should expect to be treated (gang-attacked) like that when in the middle of a bunch of men.

Thats why they separated men and women in the vehicles, China and Japan did it first.

I said I thought that was terrible and I was thankful the men in my life don't think like that.

You seemed to assert the men in my life must be angels for not having gang-attacked, unless it was just that I wasn't pretty enough to get that sort of attention from them. That tells me about you. It says nothing about me.

Not true, my comment was based on the study that 90% women were harassed by men
in the workplace, hence i said what i had said.

I didn't say the men in my life would never express sexual interest in the work-place, or in some other way that might be unwanted by someone else. I don't know that. I do feel confident they don't go around gang-attacking women, though.

Gang is something organized and that isn't the case, the same people do the harassment
at workplace will gather with no plan and do it through the crowd.