Mass deportations to the East

[sandandfoam]

UN warns France over Roma deportations - Telegraph

Treating a whole ethnic group as criminal and then deporting them East. This is disgusting.

It is also worth bearing in mind when we hear Sarkozy or his cronies attack Islam. They are fascists.

 

[Scarlett Wampus]

Gah! That's ugly. Sarkozy is a fascist and the Telegraph is correct; this bullying of minorities always seems to happen when his far-right support is faltering.

 

[Father Heathen]

What triggered such a rash decision?

 

[croak]

I was wondering if someone was going to start a thread about it.

Interesting how his father was Hungarian and lived in France for a few decades without citizenship (as a stateless person). He does hate his father, though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Sarkozy#cite_note-BBCProf-7

Sarkozy said that being abandoned by his father shaped much of who he is today. He also has said that, in his early years, he felt inferior in relation to his wealthier classmates.[19] "What made me who I am now is the sum of all the humiliations suffered during childhood", he said later.[19]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Sarkozy#cite_note-autogenerated1-18
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Sarkozy

It doesn't in any way justify what he's doing, however. Roma, Irish Travellers... they're convenient scapegoats, and racism towards them doesn't gain the attention it should.

Will the French government decide to stop the deportations? I don't know. Will other countries follow suit? I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[dust1n]

France has come under increasing pressure to stop its mass expulsions of Roma when a United Nations human rights panel added its voice to the chorus of condemnation.



In recent weeks, French officials have dismantled more than 100 illegal camps and sent hundreds of Roma back to their homes in eastern Europe.



A report released yesterday by a UN anti-racism panel urged France to avoid its "collective repatriations" and expressed concern that members of the Roma community weren't receiving full voting, education and housing rights in France.



In its report, the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (CERD) said it was "worried about the rise in violence of a racist nature against Roma" in France. It recommended that the country "avoid collective repatriations in particular and work toward lasting solutions to challenges with the Roma based on the complete respect of their human rights".



Francois Zimeray, France's ambassador for human rights, lashed out at the findings, saying "it's very easy to give lessons". "France doesn't pretend to give lessons to the world, even if we're often seen as the country of human rights ... We also don't pretend to listen to lessons from countries that don't make a tenth of the efforts that we've accomplished," he said, in an apparent reference to the members of the UN panel, which is made up of independent experts from countries such as Russia, China, Algeria, Pakistan and Romania.


UN tells France to stop forced expulsion of Roma - Europe, World - The Independent

 

[dust1n]

HINDUS AND Jews have urged European Commission (EC) for sanctions against France for continuing the racism coated policy of Roma (Gypsy) expulsions despite widespread international criticism from various quarters.

Noted Hindu statesman Rajan Zed and Rabbi Jonathan B Freirich, prominent Jewish leader in Nevada and California in United States of America; in a joint statement in Nevada, said that it was sad to witness French President Nicolas Sarkozy stubbornly continuing with mass Roma expulsions while various European Union bodies were practically looking the other way or debating.

France, which reportedly expelled about 10, 000 Roma last year, has dismantled about 117 Roma settlements and expelled about 635 Roma during the past few weeks and has announced to demolish total 300 such camps.

It appeared that European Union had a two-tier citizenship policy. If you belonged to the ‘upper-class’ tier, then you could travel freely anywhere in borderless Europe, but if you fell in ‘Roma’ tier, your travels were severely restricted, Zed, who is president of Universal Society of Hinduism, and Rabbi Freirich argued.

France needed to leave poor Roma alone and find another scapegoat to distract the attention of voters from real issues faced by the country. One should not face expulsion just because one was Roma—collective deportations were blatant discrimination and smelled of xenophobia, racism, and intolerance, Rajan Zed and Jonathan Freirich pointed out.

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Hindus & Jews want sanctions against France

 

[kai]

OK whats going on here , theses are not French citizens right? are they illegal aliens or what?

Some 283 Roma were sent home on Thursday, bringing the total number of Romanian and Bulgarian Roma deported so far this year to 8,313, already 1,000 more than the total expelled throughout last year.

so are these people Romanian and Bulgarian citizens in France illegally or what?

 

[kai]

OK whats going on here , theses are not French citizens right? are they illegal aliens or what?




so are these people Romanian and Bulgarian citizens in France illegally or what?

OK They are European Union citizens guaranteed the right of "freedom of movement" within the EU (with certain ill-defined limits)

well this is obviously a not in my backyard policy . Anyone want them ? Ireland looks good, or Switzerland under the shade of the minarets, there's 11000, Roma on their way from France you guys with the right of freedom of movement.

Head for Dover the paths are made of gold and the social security benefits are fantastic.

Come one come all, were all Europeans now. ( Heads for cover) ----------------- doesn't "mass deportations to the East" have horrible ring to it

 

[Caladan]

It appeared that European Union had a two-tier citizenship policy. If you belonged to the ‘upper-class’ tier, then you could travel freely anywhere in borderless Europe, but if you fell in ‘Roma’ tier, your travels were severely restricted

Isn't there a difference between traveling Europe and setting up illegal camps?

 

[kai]

Isn't there a difference between traveling Europe and setting up illegal camps?

Yes and I think you still need a work permit if you intend to stay longer than three months European or not.

 

[England my lionheart]

Unfortunately this is the result of an organisation (i use the term loosly) the EU that was doomed to failure from the outset and this is a very evident failing,it was never a good idea to allow freedom of movement because of the resulting illegal camps.

Just as an add on,many people on this Forum have no problem mass deporting 6 million people from Israel so why would they fuss about Roma Gypsies.

 

[croak]

Just as an add on,many people on this Forum have no problem mass deporting 6 million people from Israel so why would they fuss about Roma Gypsies.

I have a problem mass deporting anyone. Maybe those people you speak of aren't fussing about the Roma? I don't think I've seen a post from anyone so far on this thread that would consider deporting the former and not the latter.

Anybody for some red herring?

 

[kai]

we deport thousands of people every year from the UK , Its a big problem in Europe, this freedom of movement thing sounds great, but people tend to stop moving when they reach an economically better country than their used to.

 

[croak]

we deport thousands of people every year from the UK , Its a big problem in Europe, this freedom of movement thing sounds great, but people tend to stop moving when they reach an economically better country than their used to.

Because poverty is preferable? That is to be expected.

 

[Alceste]

Isn't there a difference between traveling Europe and setting up illegal camps?

Perhaps if camping is illegal in a region that has been traveled by a nomadic culture for several centuries, the law is at fault and not the people.

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[kai]

Because poverty is preferable? That is to be expected.

sure it is! But you cant just travel into any country you please and make yourself at home can you, Theres red tape involved her rules and regulations.

 

[Alceste]

sure it is! But you cant just travel into any country you please and make yourself at home can you, Theres red tape involved her rules and regulations.

They can be ignored. This is the voice of experience talking!

 

[Quagmire]

Perhaps if camping is illegal in a region that has been traveled by a nomadic culture for several centuries, the law is at fault and not the people.

Exactly, Alceste.

They're basically telling Gypsys they can't be Gypsys. It would be the same thing if the U.S. started fining the Amish for not owning cellphones.

(Interesting if meaningless coincidence: I just stepped outside the coffee shop and there was a big delivery truck for Roma Foods parked right there, so the first thing I saw when I went through the door was the word "ROMA" in 3ft letters. )

 

[kai]

They can be ignored. This is the voice of experience talking!

sure they can , and its easy on an individual basis, but a little harder when extended families etc all decide to ignore the rule of law and just stay put.

we in the UK cannot sustain such forms of illegal immigration i am not sure if any country in the world lets you just turn up and stay.

 

[kai]

Exactly, Alceste.

They're basically telling Gypsys they can't be Gypsys. It would be the same thing if the U.S. started fining the Amish for not owning cellphones.

(Interesting if meaningless coincidence: I just stepped outside the coffee shop and there was a big delivery truck for Roma Foods parked right there, so the first thing I saw when I went through the door was the word "ROMA" in 3ft letters. )

i think there saying you can be a Gypsy if you want but when actually living in in France and not "travelling" you have to stand by French laws. I as a UK citizen cannot just move to France and live why should it be any different for a Romanian Gypsy. Are you saying we shouldnt have borders at all or just for certain ethnic groups and not others. What are these camps ? how temporary are they? and is anyone applying for visas or work permits? it doesn't seem so. Just because they say i am a "Roma" does that mean they are entitled to flout the law and don't need permits or pay taxes etc.