George Washington
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And that is actually true. Which is appalling.
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Massachusetts town approved proposal for Palestinian flag to be flown on public grounds.
- Thread starter Twilight Hue
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I don't think martyrdom is the goal.
It's just a side effect of showing to the world
that Israel is a hideously brutal regime.
Islamophobia is also quite real.
BTW, don't fall for Israeli propaganda
that advocating for Palestinian rights,
& criticizing Israel is anti-semitism.
George Washington
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I won't accuse anyone here of anti-Semitism, or anyone anywhere in general - there's no way to really know. But looking at the statistics, all around the world, you see people protesting Israel more than any other country out there. Don't you think it's true? And why?
Is Israel worse than Russia? Worse than all the cartels and terrorist groups combined? I don't get it, Israel seems really normal and average to most people.
... Did you read the wiki article you linked? Are you under the impression that Zionists and the arab population peacefully coexisted before 1930? You are sorely mistaken.
Why on earth would it ever be expected for a colonized nation to 'provide an olive branch' to settlers from the empires that occupied them?
Has history not vindicated the perspective that that Zionism was a threat to the economic livelihood and self-determination of the arab population?
The reason that US citizens protest about Israel more than Russia is very simple.
The US government spends money to contain Russia and Americans like this, so they don't protest the US government.
The US government spends money to bolster Israel, and actively protects it from accountability. Many Americans do not like this, so they do protest their government to stop doing this.
It's really that simple. You don't need to protest for your government to do the thing it already does.
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George Washington
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No, the Arabs never accepted the non-Arabs due to their own racism.
It was the Ottomans who colonized the Arab people in the Palestinian region. The Arabs didn't mind being colonized by Turkic peoples, because they were all Muslims, and so the Arabs could be ensured first class citizenship, while Jews and Christians were given lower social status. When this prospect ended, the Arabic Muslims became angry and jealous, because they were used to preferential treatment. That was never really anyone else's fault.
No, it has not. Not inherently. Perhaps you could show me where it has anywhere else?
Because that was the same excuse the Germans used in regards to the Jews in general (not Zionists specifically) when they complained that Jews were taking all the best jobs including the managerial positions, which lead to really, really bad things.
Anti-Semites always say the same things - that the Jews are taking all the good jobs, or they run the government, the media, the movies, the hospitals, even the whole world! Always the same jealousy-turn-paranoia rearing it's head.
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George Washington
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Interesting response. I never considered the protests to be aimed at the US government. You see the slogans "free free Palestine" and "from the river to the sea", these chants don't seem to resemble workable US policy decisions. That's why I never thought of it that way.
They should be yelling "no no Israel funding", or something similar that policymakers can actually work with.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It brings to minds the words of Machaivelli who pointed out you can take from the poor, handicapped and less fortunate because they're powerless to do anything and it's a group few care for.
And indeed we see where the mighty is looked upon favorably and defended as it slaughters largely and mostly impoverished, powerless Muslims who are basically helpless in their situation as the bombs rain on them.
It also brings to mind Nietzsche, who warned one mustn't become a monster yourself when fighting them. And Israel turned into something more like Godzilla just to fight Dracula.
We Never Know
No Slack
Scenario..... If you and a group of people attack my family and kill some... I would kill you and everyone involved. If others die in the process, its collateral damage, but I would make sure you don't attack my family again.
So... Maybey that what Israel is doing? Ever heard of a blood feud?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Details matter. Why didn't you post the reason that they wanted to fly that flag?
Palestinian flag over US town divides locals
A teen's request to let the Palestinian flag fly over the North Andover Common drew support and condemnation as the town approved.www.newsweek.com
Private grounds is one thing. This however is unacceptable and a complete disgrace particularly on the same flagpole with the American POW flag.
Opinions?
" An Israeli flag has been flying in the same spot since last month, and Palestine supporters said they should have the same right."
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Why not the Nazi flag, or the Confederate flag?
They have the same rights as well with that logic.
George Washington
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Dracula. You know he was a slayer of Ottoman Muslims, speaking on the topic, killing more than 23,000 by impaling them atop stakes.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You are the king of false equivalency. And you broke Godwin's Law. You lost.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Nope. Hamas is a terrorist organization that flies the Palestinian flag, which is not a recognized state BTW.
Let's be clear here - Arab leaders abroad supported the British against the Ottoman's in return for what they understood to be an independence promise for the Palestinians and other Arab regions. Hussein-McMahon correspondence | History & Map
After the war when Britain became the new occupier,this national self-determination was not granted. Instead, Britain announced that it would support the creation of a national homeland in Palestine for Jews. Balfour would later go on to say that they had a right to reject Palestinian self-determination.
So the Palestinians were then in a position that they were being denied their own self-determination in the name of the creation of the Jewish homeland. Why would anyone expect them to be happy or welcoming of this?
The fears of the Arab population of Palestine were that the Zionist movement would endanger their economic subsistence and that the Zionists become their new overlords. Looking at Palestine today, there is no other conclusion that I can draw but that the Arab fear was rational.
Given this, to characterize Arab resistance to Zionism as resulting from a desire to have 'preferential treatment' is nothing but apologia for the British and later the Israeli leaders.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Yeah, I obviously was not referring to Vlad Tsepes, Kaziklu Bey.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Even if Hamas flies that flag it makes no difference. A lot of Trump supporters were shown to be terrorists and they fly the US flag. I guess that we cannot fly that flag any longer.
The Palestinian flag is the flag of all of Palestine. Not just the parts controlled by Hamas. And in case you forgot Palestine is an occupied state. Do you know what country has occupied Palestine and illegally built settlements there?
It is a recognized state to almost everybody that is from a country that isn't majority White or Japanese. This should prompt reflection from white folks that oppose recognizing Palestine, but it probably won't.
We Never Know
No Slack
So its a white racists thing.. mostly by America, Canada and Australia.
As a native american I vote everyone go back to their homeland.