Masturbation

[McBell]

This thread is so much quieter with mr hornytooth on ignore.

 

[Aquitaine]

double wrong (and it doesn't make it right). women don't ejaculate- period. and women don't have orgasms.

LAWL!

I'm sorry, but are you a Woman?

 

[I Keep Unicorns]

Wikipedi:
A nocturnal emission is also called a wet dream, and may be considered a type of spontaneous orgasm.

which means that merriam webster is wrong.

Merriam Webster is wrong and horntooth is correct? Oh, right. :sarcastic
Don't you think there's a reason a wet dream is called a "wet dream" in the first place - rather than just an orgasm?

as i said- since involuntary ejaculation such as nocturnal emmisions are also called "orgasms", there's no place for pleasure in it's definition.

Nocturnal / Spontaneous / Involuntary ejaculation? Those would seem apt.

orgasms can be accompanied by it, but as they are not always, the pleasure does not define an orgasm. it's obvious that the merriam webster definition is wrong, it mentions "explosive discharche" and "the height of arousal", yet with women, the feeling that they call "orgasm" can go on for minutes, even over an hour.

Oh, dear!.. Well how terribly mistaken you are!
Regarding definition: Well, you had better get used to it. Women orgasm. I'm sorry, but it is fact.

Wikipedia: Orgasm (from Greek orgasmos, from organ to mature, swell, also sexual climax) is the peak of the plateau phase of the sexual response cycle, characterized by an intense sensation of pleasure.[1][2] Experienced by males and females, orgasm is controlled by the involuntary, or autonomic, limbic system, and is accompanied by quick cycles of muscle contraction in the lower pelvic muscles, which surround the primary sexual organs and the anus.[1] Orgasms are often associated with other involuntary actions, including muscular spasms in multiple areas of the body, a general euphoric sensation and, frequently, body movements and vocalizations are expressed.

Regarding purported length of female orgasm: The longest recorded female orgasm is 43 seconds with 25 consecutive contractions. Orgasm, my orgasm: The top ten most fascinating climax facts - National Sexual Health | Examiner.com

double wrong (and it doesn't make it right). women don't ejaculate- period. and women don't have orgasms.

I'm sorry that you're wrong. I hope you can cope with this information as you seem quite determined to shove silly facts aside and believe, somehow, that women don't orgasm... We do.

 

[horntooth]

I hope you can cope with this information as you seem quite determined to shove silly facts aside and believe, somehow, that women don't orgasm... We do.

you can call it orgasm, but it's not that, since women medically don't ejaculate.
if you want to call your clitorises penises, go right ahead, but it will not make them that.

 

[Skwim]

you can call it orgasm, but it's not that, since women medically don't ejaculate. .

Female ejaculation: click HERE. And please give your source for the definition of orgasm which requires ejaculation.

 

[horntooth]

And please give your source for the definition of orgasm which requires ejaculation.

the definition:
Nocturnal emission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"may be considered a type of spontaneous orgasm."
so, since orgasm can happen without pleasure (of which the nocturnal emission is the example), pleasure is not a condition of an orgasm happening, and thus cannot define one. therefore, since it's not pleasure that defines an orgasm (it cannot be, because of the past sentence i wrote- it's pure logic), the ejaculation is what defines an orgasm, and orgasm can (but doesn't need to be) accompanied with pleasure.

the page you gave:
Female ejaculation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"the ignorance and/or confusion still prevalent among women about the anatomy and physiology of their sexual organs may make them mistake either vaginal lubrication or stress urinary incontinence for an "ejaculation""
women don't medically ejaculate. they don't have anything to ejaculate, they can only pour out or squirt vaginal lubrication or urine.

 

[I Keep Unicorns]

you can call it orgasm, but it's not that, since women medically don't ejaculate.

What say you to researchers from the University Medical Center of Groningen, the Netherlands, who have measured the female orgasm? It is curious that, of that entire Wikipedia article, you highlighted the definition part, (which, by the way, did nothing to uphold your theory that the female orgasm exclusively is non-existant, or even so much as questionable), while managing to completely ignore all of the other information on that very same page, which described female orgasm in beautiful, in-depth detail. Well, since sexual health experts are clearly all delusional and horntooth is right, go ahead and enlighten us. What is the word / definition you would use for (female orgasm) what we are talking about here?

if you want to call your clitorises penises, go right ahead, but it will not make them that.

It would make it a whole lot easier for you if we did claim something as foolish as that, wouldn't it? ...I mean, finally then you would at least be able to correct someone, and be right in telling us we don't have penises. It takes dreaming of a female calling her clitoris a penis, for horntooth to rest easy.

 

[horntooth]

What is the word / definition you would use for (female orgasm) what we are talking about here?

women don't have orgasms, they experience pleasure. that pleasure can be of different intensity, can involve different kind of muscle contractions, but it's not an orgasm, since orgasm 1) is not defined by pleasure, and 2) there's no ejaculation there (by which an orgasm is defined).

would make it a whole lot easier for you if we did claim something as foolish as that, wouldn't it?

biologically, it would not be totally foolish, 'couese clitorises and penises are formed from the same embryonic structure. but yes, it is foolish to call them that.

same with orgasm, just 'couse male orgasm and "female orgasm" seem similar according to some, doesn't mean you should call them by the same name. even if that's practiced by most people.

 

[Rakhel]

And your degree is in what, exactly?

 

[Skwim]

the definition:
Nocturnal emission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"may be considered a type of spontaneous orgasm."
so, since orgasm can happen without pleasure (of which the nocturnal emission is the example), pleasure is not a condition of an orgasm happening, and thus cannot define one. therefore, since it's not pleasure that defines an orgasm (it cannot be, because of the past sentence i wrote- it's pure logic), the ejaculation is what defines an orgasm, and orgasm can (but doesn't need to be) accompanied with pleasure.

I didn't ask for a definition for "nocturnal emission" but for "orgasm." You do recognize the difference between one aspect of something and the something itself, don't you? Like light is one aspect of the Sun but is not the Sun itself.

the page you gave:
Female ejaculation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"the ignorance and/or confusion still prevalent among women about the anatomy and physiology of their sexual organs may make them mistake either vaginal lubrication or stress urinary incontinence for an "ejaculation""
women don't medically ejaculate. they don't have anything to ejaculate, they can only pour out or squirt vaginal lubrication or urine.

You did read that this is just one person's opinion within an ongoing debate on the subject, didn't you?
In any case, ejaculation is not a necessary aspect of orgasm. It may occur and it may not, just like sneezing may or may not occur.

 

[horntooth]

And your degree is in what, exactly?

theology. which is absolutely of no importance, unless you thing that the logical fallacy of "appeal to authority" (political/ educational authority in this case) is a valid for anything.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

You're embarrassing yourself, horntooth.

From wikipedia, your own search on the word "orgasm" that you cherry picked actually offered a wealth of information on female orgasm.

Orgasm (from Greek orgasmos, from organ to mature, swell, also sexual climax) is the peak of the plateau phase of the sexual response cycle, characterized by an intense sensation of pleasure.[1][2] Experienced by males and females, orgasm is controlled by the involuntary, or autonomic, limbic system, and is accompanied by quick cycles of muscle contraction in the lower pelvic muscles, which surround the primary sexual organs and the anus.[1] Orgasms are often associated with other involuntary actions, including muscular spasms in multiple areas of the body, a general euphoric sensation and, frequently, body movements and vocalizations are expressed.

I see wiki described orgasms as being experienced by both males AND females, and ejaculate has nothing to do with it (BTW, men can orgasm without ejaculating).

From the same source:

In men, the most common way of achieving orgasm is by the stimulation of the penis; while in women it is the stimulation of the clitoris.[1][5][6] Such stimulation can be achieved from a variety of activities. In men, sufficient stimulation can be achieved during vaginal or anal sexual intercourse, oral sex (fellatio), or by masturbation. This is usually accompanied by ejaculation. In women, orgasm may be achieved during vaginal sexual intercourse, oral sex (cunnilingus), masturbation, or other non-penetrative sex, and may be by the use of a sensual vibrator or an erotic electrostimulation, besides other activities....

Oh, did you happen to see how wiki mentions how to bring a woman to orgasm? And how wiki acknowledges that orgasm in men "is usually accompanied by ejaculation"? Which means that male orgasm does not always result in ejaculation?

More in the next post....

 

[Rakhel]

perhaps this will help

Skene's gland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[MysticSang'ha]

And here we find another quote from your same source:

Female orgasm

Discussions of female orgasm are complicated by the fact that, perhaps artificially, orgasm in women has sometimes been labeled as two different things: the clitoral orgasm and the vaginal orgasm.
The concept of vaginal orgasm as a separate phenomenon was first postulated by Sigmund Freud. In 1905, Freud stated that clitoral orgasm was purely an adolescent phenomenon, and upon reaching puberty the proper response of mature women was a change-over to vaginal orgasms, meaning orgasms without any clitoral stimulation. While Freud provided no evidence for this basic assumption, the consequences of this theory were considerable. Many women felt inadequate when they could not achieve orgasm via vaginal intercourse alone, involving little or no clitoral stimulation, as Freud's theory made man's penis central to a woman's sexual satisfaction.[7]
In contrast to Freud's thoughts, most women can only achieve orgasm through clitoral stimulation.[1][5][6] The clitoris surrounds the vagina somewhat like a horseshoe,[5] and has "legs" that extend along the vaginal lips back to the anus.[8] The urethral sponge runs along the "roof" of the vagina, and it can be stimulated through the vagina, but the vagina itself is considered to have no mechanism to stimulate pleasure or orgasm for women.[5] Negating clitoral legs, only one part of the clitoris, the urethral sponge, is in contact with the penis, fingers, or a dildo in the vagina. "The tip of the clitoris and the inner lips, which are also very sensitive, are not receiving direct stimulation during intercourse."[5] The Gräfenberg Spot, or G-Spot, is a small area behind the female pubic bone surrounding the urethra and accessible through the anterior wall of the vagina. The size of this spot appears to vary considerably from person to person. Such an orgasm is referred to as "vaginal," because it results from stimulation inside the vagina.
In 1966, Masters and Johnson published pivotal research about the phases of sexual stimulation.[9] Their work included women and men, and unlike Alfred Kinsey earlier (in 1948 and 1953), tried to determine the physiological stages before and after orgasm. Masters and Johnson observed that both clitoral and vaginal orgasms had the same stages of physical response. They argued that clitoral stimulation is the primary source of both kinds of orgasms.[10] Likewise, recent discoveries about the size of the clitoris show that clitoral tissue extends some considerable distance inside the body, around the vagina. This discovery may possibly invalidate any attempt to claim that clitoral orgasm and vaginal orgasm are two different things.[11] The link between the clitoris and the vagina reinforces the idea that the clitoris is the 'seat' of the female orgasm. It is now clear that clitoral tissue is far more widespread than the small visible part most people associate with the word. The main researcher of the studies, Australian urologist Dr. Helen O'Connell, asserts that this interconnected relationship is the physiological explanation for the conjectured G-Spot and experience of vaginal orgasm, taking into account the stimulation of the internal parts of the clitoris during vaginal penetration.[11] "The vaginal wall is, in fact, the clitoris," said O'Connell. "If you lift the skin off the vagina on the side walls, you get the bulbs of the clitoris – triangular, crescental masses of erectile tissue." The idea had been that the clitoris is more than just its glans – the "little hill".[11] It is possible that some women have more extensive clitoral tissues and nerves than others, and therefore whereas many women can only achieve orgasm by direct stimulation of the external parts of the clitoris, for others the stimulation of the more generalized tissues of the clitoris via intercourse may be sufficient.[11]

Oh dearie dear. Wiki doesn't contextually make female orgasm rather ambiguous, does it? But hang on, I found your tiny nit-picky quote you used earlier in a vain attempt to support your terrible argument against the existence of female orgasms....

Definitions of 'orgasm' vary, and there is no consensus on how to consistently classify it.[31]

But please, read on to find out more....

There were listed at least twenty-six definitions of orgasm.[32]
There is some debate whether certain types of sexual sensation should be accurately classified as 'orgasm', including female orgasms caused by G-spot stimulation alone, and the demonstration of extended or continuous orgasms lasting several minutes or even an hour.[33] The question centers around clinical definition of orgasm.
Orgasm is usually defined in a clinical context strictly by the muscular contractions involved, and also by characteristic patterns of change in heart rate, blood pressure, and often respiration rate and depth.[9] But this way of viewing, orgasm is merely physiological, while there are also psychological, endocrinological, and neurological definitions of 'orgasm'.[31]
In these and similar cases, the sensations experienced are subjective and do not necessarily involve the involuntary contractions characteristic of orgasm. However, the sensations in both sexes are extremely pleasurable and are often felt throughout the body, causing a mental state that is often described as transcendental, and with vasocongestion and associated pleasure comparable to that of a full contractionary orgasm. For example, modern findings support distinction between ejaculation and male orgasm.[32]
For this reason, there are views on both sides as to whether these can be accurately defined as orgasms.

The research here shows how the clinical definition of orgasm can slightly vary due to the addition of psychological and emotional factors, but physiologically, they remain the same......which both genders feel extremely pleasurable sensations.

Did you catch the caveat about differentiations in your example that men can experience variances in their own orgasms and ejaculations?

I can point out further discrepancies between your sources and your argument, but you're already doing a great job of that already. :clap

 

[horntooth]

I didn't ask for a definition for "nocturnal emission" but for "orgasm."

** Edit by the moderation - Rule 1 violation **
if nocturnal emission is defines as an orgasm (which it is), then- because NEs happen without pleasure- pleasure does NOT define orgasm.
if pleasure does not define orgasm, the only thing left is the ejaculation.
so- ejaculation defines an orgasm.
have you ever heard of deduction? cheeez..

In any case, ejaculation is not a necessary aspect of orgasm

you seem not to grasp that it's the pleasure that's not the necessary aspect of orgasm (by the simple fact that NEs are orgasms).

 

[horntooth]

Which means that male orgasm does not always result in ejaculation?

which is wrong.

 

[McBell]

And your degree is in what, exactly?

Ignoring facts he dislikes.

 

[Rakhel]

See the problem I am finding in your thinking is that it looks like you are accusing women of urinating during intercourse,

 

[MysticSang'ha]

which is wrong.

Which was stated from your own source. :slap:

Oh, and the Mayo Clinic disagrees with you -

Dry orgasm is when a man reaches sexual climax but doesn't ejaculate semen or ejaculates very little. In most cases of dry orgasm, semen goes into the bladder instead of out through the penis. This is known as retrograde ejaculation. In some cases of dry orgasm, men don't produce enough semen to ejaculate. Dry orgasm usually isn't harmful, but dry orgasm can interfere with a man's ability to father a child.

 

[I Keep Unicorns]

women don't have orgasms, they experience pleasure. that pleasure can be of different intensity, can involve different kind of muscle contractions, but it's not an orgasm, since orgasm 1) is not defined by pleasure, and 2) there's no ejaculation there (by which an orgasm is defined).

Why do you proclaim yourself to be correct, and the sexual health professionals who dedicate their lives to exploring female orgasm incorrect? Orgasm is neither defined by ejaculation alone, or by pleasure alone; the two co-exist with male orgasm, with female orgasm they just get the pleasure of sexual arousal which has met it's climax (that is why it's called a climax: when sexual arousal in either sex has reached it's natural peak).

Perhaps you would deem 'climax' a more suitable term?

biologically, it would not be totally foolish, 'couese clitorises and penises are formed from the same embryonic structure. but yes, it is foolish to call them that.

same with orgasm, just 'couse male orgasm and "female orgasm" seem similar according to some, doesn't mean you should call them by the same name. even if that's practiced by most people.

We already have the word 'ejaculation' to seperate the basic difference between male and female orgasm.