Maybe its time for a right wing military style dictatorship

[Mindmaster]

Many of us think Obama was the best president of US of recent decades.

If I were to rank Presidents during my lifetime I think Reagan was the best on the home front, but Carter was probably the best diplomat/most honest President we've had in my lifetime. After these two, it's all really downhill.. G. W. was a fairly rational President, but pretty limited in effect due to constant opposition from a Democratic Congress. Both Bush's, Clinton (screwed up with NAFTA/China deals, most of the job gains were from companies hiring support to move everything overseas), and Obama were really destructive to the economy so none of them make my list. I would include Obama higher for ACA if the deal wasn't constructed merely to benefit the insurance companies, but since he had part in that it left him a _net zero_. Obama really wasn't good at anything unless the thing you value is destabilizing the middle east or an ability to pander to people with worthless platitudes.

If Trump fixes DACA (he's offering a better deal than the Democrats even asked for, allowing 3x more people a legal path to immigration) , improves the border/wall situation, and the economic growth continues he'll eclipse them all. The middle east has never been safer in ten years, and I see no reason that won't continue to improve. The best way to deal with the situation has always been to overwhelmingly defeat the domestic terrorists in these countries and give them back the people. If Trump has a weakness it is his undisciplined mouth, but after that he's _super_ balanced in the role. A bit of toughness, but a lot of common sense... And, I think he's growing a lot on the area of compromise.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I think republicans like authoritarian governments. To me the right is destroying the country. If they do destroy the country with a dictatorship then sic semper tyrannis.

I think Democrats like communist authoritarian governments. If they do destroy the country with a great and supreme leader then [sic] Workers of the World Unite.

 

[dfnj]

Very interesting and quality post. Every so often someone posts something of this sort which many seem to misunderstand.

I am not sure if it is how you asked or if it was the extreme which you highlighted. It is an interesting question for conservatives (and for liberals if we turn it to ask what and how do conservative views help).

Hopefully this thread continues and focuses more on what the OP asked.

Thanks for seeing it the right way. I don't mean it as some way to trick Republicans. The vitriol from the right is so strong and the lack of respect for the minority party is so great where does this lead?

 

[dfnj]

I think Democrats like communist authoritarian governments. If they do destroy the country with a great and supreme leader then [sic] Workers of the World Unite.

I think there is more to Marx political theory than just communism. Marx has very good criticisms of laissez faire capitalism. If you were not so CLOSED minded then maybe you would see there is some value in what Marx was saying:

If only we had a government were parties were able to work together in compromise to get something done to address grievances. Instead we have do-nothing which is really preserving the status quo. I guess if you are part of the billionaire cabal you love this government.

 

[dfnj]

I think America will succeed where Rome failed. Steel is forged in fire and there's certainly fire right now.

In case you haven't notice, the Chinese are winning the marathon.

 

[dfnj]

The subject isn't taboo; you're just looking at it wrong. Even most Republicans think that democracy and political liberty serves a purpose.

And even the ones who are only interested in furthering their own party's interest realize that sometimes the Democrats win, and they wouldn't want to put in place any rules that they'd be unwilling to live with when the Republicans are the party who isn't in power.

I don't think Republicans have any respect for Democrats in any way shape or form. Democrats might as well not exist.

 

[sun rise]

I think Democrats like communist authoritarian governments. If they do destroy the country with a great and supreme leader then [sic] Workers of the World Unite.

The right has the "God Emperor" Great and Supreme Leader. And someone is still stuck in the past before communism failed utterly to work in a spectacular fashion.

 

[Buddha Dharma]

@dfnj I think you're on the right track in a lot of what you said in your OP, if you meant it as mocking like I think. It does seem that the right wing in this country is ready for a dictatorship. They do hate our democracy and it's institutions. We've all seen with Trump, how they'd rather defend anything he does or says than trust our institutions.

 

[sayak83]

If I were to rank Presidents during my lifetime I think Reagan was the best on the home front, but Carter was probably the best diplomat/most honest President we've had in my lifetime. After these two, it's all really downhill.. G. W. was a fairly rational President, but pretty limited in effect due to constant opposition from a Democratic Congress. Both Bush's, Clinton (screwed up with NAFTA/China deals, most of the job gains were from companies hiring support to move everything overseas), and Obama were really destructive to the economy so none of them make my list. I would include Obama higher for ACA if the deal wasn't constructed merely to benefit the insurance companies, but since he had part in that it left him a _net zero_. Obama really wasn't good at anything unless the thing you value is destabilizing the middle east or an ability to pander to people with worthless platitudes.

If Trump fixes DACA (he's offering a better deal than the Democrats even asked for, allowing 3x more people a legal path to immigration) , improves the border/wall situation, and the economic growth continues he'll eclipse them all. The middle east has never been safer in ten years, and I see no reason that won't continue to improve. The best way to deal with the situation has always been to overwhelmingly defeat the domestic terrorists in these countries and give them back the people. If Trump has a weakness it is his undisciplined mouth, but after that he's _super_ balanced in the role. A bit of toughness, but a lot of common sense... And, I think he's growing a lot on the area of compromise.

I would entirely disagree with you on all these things.

 

[Mister Emu]

For years now I've heard how liberals and Democrats have destroyed this country. And that liberals and Democrats are baby killers and Democrats are mentally retarded. I've heard how government is too big and big government is the source of all our problems. Congress has a 10% approval rating. Everyone hates Congress. Congress never gets anything done. Gridlock in Washington is why everyone is miserable. Even when the Republicans control all three branches of government somehow the Democrats are still to blame.

We simply cannot afford healthcare security, retirement security, descent place to live security, or good job security. We just can't do it no matter how much productivity improves. We simply have too much government and not enough resources to keep people out of poverty. We just can't do it.

So I've been thinking. Since Democrats are destroying this country maybe the way to take back the country is to have a right wing military style dictatorship. Everyone LOVES the military. Many people who served in the military are already conditioned to serve a commander. The president is already our Commander in Chief. Everyone LOVES the police. Everyone LOVES Jesus and the Bible. People just LOVE obeying authority. Maybe its time to stop wasting money on voting for something everyone hates and just go for a military style dictatorship. Give the people who love to obey authority exactly what they want!

With a right wing military style dictatorship we will finally get things done in this country. Liberals and Democrats will no longer be able to destroy our country. Why waste money on voting and elections when everyone hates the results. Everyone hates Congress. Compromise is a waste of time and money. We might as well save our money and just have the military in charge.

Just think how much smaller government would be if we just had military rule. Government is the reason why everything is bad in this country. Maybe it's time to get rid of the government! This country has been moving right for 30 years now. Hillary worked on Goldwater's presidential campaign! If we are moving so far to the right we might as well go ALL THE WAY! It's just a matter of time anyway.

What are you thoughts? Why is it important to have a minority party in this country? Why do we need Congress? Why do we need liberals and Democrats voting in this country? What's the point? What purpose do Democrats and liberals serve???

I've rarely seen material so emblematic of the disconnect from reality American "liberals" live in.

 

[Mindmaster]

I would entirely disagree with you on all these things.

I know, but whether you agree with them or not is irrelevant. They're happening.

 

[sayak83]

I know, but whether you agree with them or not is irrelevant. They're happening.

No they are not. What did happen was the exact opposite.
We will see once historians trace the works and achievements of Obama administration in an objective fashion and compares them to past presidents.

The goals of the 21st century are these,
Universal healthcare and strong social security.
Universal undergraduate college education for all at a low cost.
Strong environmental and emission reduction policy throughout the globe.
Free and unrestricted global movement of both labor and capital. Dismantling of all protectionist policies on trade.
Cut backs on millitary and nuclear arsenal.
Large investments in automation, AI, biotech, clean energy and space initiatives ...especially incentivize private start ups.
Strong laws against financial malpractice in private sector.
Developing a wall of separation between corporations and governments in the same way as is done between religion and government.

Those countries who do these will prosper and those who don't will struggle. That is inevitable. So the grade of a leader will depend on whether his policies were aimed at these or not.

 

[Buddha Dharma]

If Trump fixes DACA

If Trump fixes DACA it'll be because Democrats keep shutting down the government until he does. Congress is the one that will be fixing it if a law passes. Man you guys just think this guy's your savior? How is Trump going to fix DACA? His reversal of the Obama order caused this problem.

 

[Mindmaster]

If Trump fixes DACA it'll be because Democrats keep shutting down the government until he does. Congress is the one that will be fixing it if a law passes. Man you guys just think this guy's your savior?

I've said this before, but anyway...

Your last statement is pure exaggeration and projection, so what does reality have to do with it anyway?

 

[Mindmaster]

No they are not. What did happen was the exact opposite.
We will see once historians trace the works and achievements of Obama administration in an objective fashion and compares them to past presidents.

The goals of the 21st century are these,
Universal healthcare and strong social security.
Universal undergraduate college education for all at a low cost.
Strong environmental and emission reduction policy throughout the globe.
Free and unrestricted global movement of both labor and capital. Dismantling of all protectionist policies on trade.
Cut backs on millitary and nuclear arsenal.
Large investments in automation, AI, biotech, clean energy and space initiatives ...especially incentivize private start ups.
Strong laws against financial malpractice in private sector.
Developing a wall of separation between corporations and governments in the same way as is done between religion and government.

Those countries who do these will prosper and those who don't will struggle. That is inevitable. So the grade of a leader will depend on whether his policies were aimed at these or not.

These are not the goals you are looking for. (waves hand) There isn't anything you've mentioned there that is even remotely realistic over the long term. The only way to get any of that is by turning the government into a gigantic parasite sucking the soul out of the people.

Unrestricted movement, trade, and whatever just lowers everyone economically to the level of the worst garbage dump on the planet to compete. There will be no innovation, start up, or whatever because all that money will go into the hulking infrastructure providing the free stuff. Every country that does this lowers the quality of life for the people who live there... Also, please name one country that is open borders that isn't a complete **** hole? There is a correlation... Worthless idealism, in a nutshell, with no thought of the long term consequences.

 

[Buddha Dharma]

My last statement was being serious. I've never seen 45 supporters criticize any decision he's made.

 

[sayak83]

These are not the goals you are looking for. (waves hand) There isn't anything you've mentioned there that is even remotely realistic over the long term. The only way to get any of that is by turning the government into a gigantic parasite sucking the soul out of the people.

Unrestricted movement, trade, and whatever just lowers everyone economically to the level of the worst garbage dump on the planet to compete. There will be no innovation, start up, or whatever because all that money will go into the hulking infrastructure providing the free stuff. Every country that does this lowers the quality of life for the people who live there... Also, please name one country that is open borders that isn't a complete **** hole? There is a correlation... Worthless idealism, in a nutshell, with no thought of the long term consequences.

I completely disagree. But the 21st century will prove to you that I am right.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I don't think Republicans have any respect for Democrats in any way shape or form. Democrats might as well not exist.

I said "democracy," not "Democrats."

 

[Buddha Dharma]

I completely disagree. But the 21st century will prove to you that I am right.

I hope you're right. the 21st century has been one of regress thus far, from where I'm standing. The minds of the public have shifted backwards on so many issues, even while the government pushes liberal social values. I know this is not the humanist-inclined United States I grew up in. This is a cynical, fearful, and bitter culture.

 

[Mindmaster]

I completely disagree. But the 21st century will prove to you that I am right.

Oh, I understand you don't like that presentation of that reality. I just have faith that the absolute destruction of the planet isn't a viable strategy, and most other sensible people will not either.