Maybe its time for a right wing military style dictatorship

[sayak83]

There never really is an ideal, and the dynamics change with the times. I prefer to just have a government adapt to the needs of its citizens over time, and note I said citizens.. I give a **** less what anyone else wants of us.

And what if majority of US citizens agree with my goals in the next decades? What will you do? After all most of the citizens will be freeloaders in your mind, won't they?

 

[Mindmaster]

Silly idea. Very soon many countries will have nuclear arsenal as advanced as the US. Also it's the poor people who revolt, not the rich and the taxpayers. Those whom you call freeloaders (serfs in another century). It's US that's more likely to see unrest and war if your policies are implemented.

It sounds like you're almost enthusiastic that this could be an outcome. The taxpayers aren't poor either, they're the middle class, which is most of a countries tax base. No, serfs are slaves attached to a lord, they work someone else's land and share profits to rent it but they do not own it. No, who all call freeloaders are people who try to get into a county to get free stuff - you don't get to interpret what I mean by the term, lol.

 

[Mindmaster]

And what if majority of US citizens agree with my goals in the next decades? What will you do? After all most of the citizens will be freeloaders in your mind, won't they?

It doesn't matter if it changes, if we have to take up arms to remove the corrupted government we will. It's America, not Germany, not Sweden. There is tolerance, altruism, and suicide. Such views will never be extremely popular here, and they don't need to be.

 

[sayak83]

It doesn't matter if it changes, if we have to take up arms to remove the corrupted government we will. It's America, not Germany, not Sweden. There is tolerance, altruism, and suicide. Such views will never be extremely popular here, and they don't need to be.

So, if majority of citizens agree with the policies I quoted, you will go the route of violent insurrection? Very ...democratic of you.

 

[sayak83]

It sounds like you're almost enthusiastic that this could be an outcome. The taxpayers aren't poor either, they're the middle class, which is most of a countries tax base. No, serfs are slaves attached to a lord, they work someone else's land and share profits to rent it but they do not own it. No, who all call freeloaders are people who try to get into a county to get free stuff - you don't get to interpret what I mean by the term, lol.

Strange, most of the middle class who work in private companies have the exact same relation with the shareholders of that company as the serfs did with the landlords. Uncanny.

 

[sayak83]

It sounds like you're almost enthusiastic that this could be an outcome. The taxpayers aren't poor either, they're the middle class, which is most of a countries tax base. No, serfs are slaves attached to a lord, they work someone else's land and share profits to rent it but they do not own it. No, who all call freeloaders are people who try to get into a county to get free stuff - you don't get to interpret what I mean by the term, lol.

Oh, I thought freeloaders are US citizens who are unemployed or underemployed and need government aid to get by and who have too low income to give taxes.

 

[Mindmaster]

Strange, most of the middle class who work in private companies have the exact same relation with the shareholders of that company as the serfs did with the landlords. Uncanny.

No, they don't... They can leave the job at any time and don't lose their home.

Look, I give up... Nothing I say will make a dent in your silly views (from my perspective), so I'm going to do something more productive.

Yeah, there is more than one class of freeloaders, but I am not concerned with people getting aid if they were born and raised here. It's their country too... But, you didn't talk about those people you were talking about open borders and other silliness.

 

[sayak83]

No, they don't... They can leave the job at any time and don't lose their home.

Look, I give up... Nothing I say will make a dent in your silly views (from my perspective), so I'm going to do something more productive.

Yeah, there is more than one class of freeloaders, but I am not concerned with people getting aid if they were born and raised here. It's their country too... But, you didn't talk about those people you were talking about open borders and other silliness.

When I say open borders, I mean companies can hire from any country at any level in their job positions. The people who are so hired enters with job permits of course. Similarly a businessman can start a company in any country as well. Free capital , if not matched with free labor flows leads to the imbalances that create economic stagnation.

They lose healthcare, ability to pay mortgages, finance education loans. It's a captive labor system for most.

 

[PureX]

If I were to rank Presidents during my lifetime I think Reagan was the best on the home front, but Carter was probably the best diplomat/most honest President we've had in my lifetime. After these two, it's all really downhill.. G. W. was a fairly rational President, but pretty limited in effect due to constant opposition from a Democratic Congress. Both Bush's, Clinton (screwed up with NAFTA/China deals, most of the job gains were from companies hiring support to move everything overseas), and Obama were really destructive to the economy so none of them make my list. I would include Obama higher for ACA if the deal wasn't constructed merely to benefit the insurance companies, but since he had part in that it left him a _net zero_. Obama really wasn't good at anything unless the thing you value is destabilizing the middle east or an ability to pander to people with worthless platitudes.

If Trump fixes DACA (he's offering a better deal than the Democrats even asked for, allowing 3x more people a legal path to immigration) , improves the border/wall situation, and the economic growth continues he'll eclipse them all. The middle east has never been safer in ten years, and I see no reason that won't continue to improve. The best way to deal with the situation has always been to overwhelmingly defeat the domestic terrorists in these countries and give them back the people. If Trump has a weakness it is his undisciplined mouth, but after that he's _super_ balanced in the role. A bit of toughness, but a lot of common sense... And, I think he's growing a lot on the area of compromise.

I would entirely disagree with you on all these things.

Me too. It's disconcerting to see how completely wrong some people can be, and still be so sure they've got it right.

I do agree with Mindmaster, however, in that Clinton sold out the American people when he signed NAFTA. He also sold out the American people when he signed the repeal of the Glass-Stegall Act, which had prevented banks from becoming Wall Street investment speculators. Both those actions are directly responsible for many millions of Americans losing both their jobs and their homes. And neither of these actions has been corrected because the wealthy elites that now completely control our government don't want these corrected.

Reagan, by the way, was the first president to steal the American people's money from the Social Security fund to pay for his tax cuts for the rich, because his "trickle-down" theory was a complete failure. And then every president since, except President Obama, has robbed that fund in turn. Including Donald Trump, who did so almost immediately after taking office.

 

[Mindmaster]

Reagan, by the way, was the first president to steal the American people's money from the Social Security fund to pay for his tax cuts for the rich, because his "trickle-down" theory was a complete failure. And then every president since, except President Obama, has robbed that fund in turn. Including Donald Trump, who did so almost immediately after taking office.

It doesn't really matter if you agree with me or not, I was merely speaking from the perspective of my quality of life. My family had it the easiest under Reagan, and it's getting better under Trump right now. So much better in fact, that I am thousands ahead of where I was in previous years. Money isn't everything, but it certainly isn't hurting me I'll tell you that much. While Trump is taking cues from Reagan, he's not following him exactly. He knows the tax cuts mean you have to plan for strategic spending cuts. As far as social security, I'm not overly worried about it because he was planning to overhaul it and the actions he is taking at the moment are obviously a short-term stop gap maneuver.