Maybe NATO should back down?

[Aupmanyav]

He turned belligerent because of NATO's expansionism.

 

[Revoltingest]

He turned belligerent because of NATO's expansionism.

That's what he says. He also says it's cuz of
Nazis running Ukraine, & exterminating Russians.
But only Russia expanded....violently into Georgia,
Crimea, & Ukraine. No country expanded into Russia.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Well, whatever. Let us see where we go from here.

 

[fantome profane]

He turned belligerent because of NATO's expansionism.

It is like a man who beats his wife, and then claims “she made me do it”.

Putin is accountable for his own actions. NATO didn’t make him do anything. Ukraine didn’t make him do anything.

 

[Aupmanyav]

OK, take him to International Court of Justice.

 

[Bj732]

That makes no sense.
Which NATO countries want war?
- Neon will likely be less available.
Ukraine is a big producer, & this supply is now threatened.
- Gas deposits offshore from Ukraine will be controlled by
Russia.
- War getting rid of Putin is risky.
And had there been no war, there'd be no need to ditch him.

I don´t know exactly what individuals yet. Could be that they want Russia to collapse so they get the ng, neon etc for themselves.

 

[oldbadger]

Spoiler: Scholar says Global South mistrusts US intentions

This video says there are many people in the southern hemisphere that view US as a provocateur in this current Russian-Ukraine war. The scholar in the included video argues that NATO has threatened Russia by potentially placing nukes there, and he also says that US CIA has promoted right wing candidates in Ukraine thus interfering with its politics. These are seen as provocations which have triggered some anxiety in Russia. He compares NATO's actions to those of the USSR when it attempted to place nukes in Cuba in the 60's. He says that there was a diplomatic way to handle this situation but that "The West was not interested in a diplomatic solution" and also worries that the USA with our enormous military will also stoke tensions in the Far East.

He condemns the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but he does think the US and NATO helped to cause the situation.

I think he makes an argument though perhaps there are counter perspectives to consider.

A Scholar says....? Well then, it all must be true!
The US has potentially placed nukes there........ potentially...?
Mr Putin was aggravated by nasty 'merica! Poor man....

On the News this morning......... Russia may be preparing to use chemical weapons in Ukraine.

 

[oldbadger]

Which is why Putin's motivations are questionable. I'm wondering if he's actually a closet Communist.

Too bad Russia didn't have a leader now like Gorbachev was back then. There wouldn't have been a Ukraine invasion today I would think, but of course that's just entertaining a what if scenario.

Putin isn't a closet Communist.
He aligns more closely with some kind of Mega-Mafia Bandit.

 

[oldbadger]

OK, take him to International Court of Justice.

If he can be captured then he'll be tried for war-crimes......no doubt.

 

[oldbadger]

And I underline that Russia has stopped being Communist in 1989.
So let us distinguish.

I'm trying to stick a label on a country where the opposition is poisoned in an assassination attempt, and then locked up on perverted charges..... where the people are locked up for gathering in public to show opposition to war....... where the leader sends murderers out to kill those who displease him (Salisbury, England)....where neighbouring countries are attacked ruthlessly.........

Hmmmm....... Would you want to live under this sweetheart's thumb?

 

[Estro Felino]

OK, take him to International Court of Justice.

Who? Soros.
I will.

 

[Flankerl]

Democracy is the best possible solution. Populism is the villain.
I hope they are able to keep their integrity.
That they had to go to a war, I consider that a bad example.
I think Putin is looking for a secure Russia.

Classic Victim blaming.

She could've just dressed differently.

 

[Estro Felino]

Putin isn't a closet Communist.
He aligns more closely with some kind of Mega-Mafia Bandit.

If Putin hated Ukrainians, he would not ask them to migrate to Russia and to Belarus as refugees.
This proves he is not against Ukrainians.

He just wants to chase Zelensky away...and of course the Sorosian influence.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don´t know exactly what individuals yet. Could be that they want Russia to collapse so they get the ng, neon etc for themselves.

Neon was readily available from Ukraine.
I advise against proffering a vague speculation as a claim.

 

[fantome profane]

I don´t know exactly what individuals yet. Could be that they want Russia to collapse so they get the ng, neon etc for themselves.

So a guy decides to rob a bank, it is not because he wants the money, obviously he was tricked by some devious individual.

Poor little Puty, such an innocent little angel. I am sure the idea of taking Ukraine’s natural resources for himself ever occurred to him. Obviously he was tricked.

 

[Estro Felino]

Some in NATO wanted this war. Putin took the bait. Spirit told me.
For several reasons perhaps. No competition in the middle east?

Very probable.
Knowing how many times the American Deep State has planned false flags in history.
Example: the Tonkin incident. Confessed by McNamara before dying.

They are capable of anything.

 

[Revoltingest]

So a guy decides to rob a bank, it is not because he wants the money, obviously he was tricked by some devious individual.

Poor little Puty, such an innocent little angel. I am sure the idea of taking Ukraine’s natural resources for himself ever occurred to him. Obviously he was tricked.

I was initially surprised that so many people sided
with Russian against NATO. I've now recovered
my usual low expectations of people.

 

[Estro Felino]

War getting rid of Putin is risky.

Also because the Russians would elect another Putin.

 

[Revoltingest]

Very probable.
Knowing how many times the American Deep State has planned false flags in history.
Example: the Tonkin incident. Confessed by McNamara before dying.

They are capable of anything.

All those Russian soldiers are actually Ukrainian foreign
agents. They've attacked their own country just to make
Putin look bad. It's the most sophisticated false flag
operation in history since the Jews installed Hitler to
create the fictional Holocaust for political gain.

It's amazing what one can learn on the internet.

 

[Twilight Hue]

If he can be captured then he'll be tried for war-crimes......no doubt.

Well bombing hospitals definitely fits in as a war crime.