Maybe NATO should back down?

[Estro Felino]

You really like the Lega Nord don't you? You really like Matteo Salvini don't you?

How do you cope with your Duce being called out all over Europe for being a Russian sockpuppet?

Oups that's awkward.

People like you are the biggest enemies of Europe.
Always touting about the Nation being so important to them, the EU is so evil, the evil Liberalism Soros spreads.
And once you look under their pants you see Putins hand reaching all the way inside.

"Mayor: I have personal note to Mr senator Salvini. I have gift for you in order to take it into refugee center. We need to see what your friend Putin have done. What person - you call your friend - have done to this people who are fleeing here in number of 50 000 a day. We will go together (with Salvini) to refugee center and the border ONLY if you would dress this T-shirt. You are welcome. NO RESPECT FOR YOU"

I was speaking of Orbán, by the way.
It is not all black and white. Salvini, Orbán, Morawiecki, Le Pen are all different than one another. It's different people with different mindsets.
They might agree or disagee with each other.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Except that Putin has repeated these views for close to a decade.
Basic Russian Nationalism alá Dugin.
Your indifference to the self determination of the Ukrainian people is noted.
You are nothing more than a Russian propaganda tool.

Yeah, since Euromaidan. That started the trouble.
Every nation cares for its interests (Unfortunately, Ukraine did not).
Self-determination is OK, but a wrong selection lands countries in trouble. Trump is an example.
As for my being a Russian tool, whatever you say.

Actually, the only boundary line crossed was
by an invading Russian military into Ukraine.
Let Ukrainians rain death down upon the Russkies.

It is already on. Future will give its judgment.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Was told by spirit first about a year ago that some people in NATO or Biden admin wanted this war.

Sure you were. Did you write it down and get it notarized?

 

[Revoltingest]

It is already on. Future will give its judgment.

I like how Ukrainians are dispensing judgment at the moment.
Let Putin's villainous hordes eat death.

 

[Flankerl]

Yeah, since Euromaidan. That started the trouble.

Yes Democracy is truly horrible.

Every nation cares for its interests (Unfortunately, Ukraine did not).

Ukraine is in favour of its structural integrity.
You aren't.

Self-determination is OK, but a wrong selection lands countries in trouble.

You have yet to provide even one example of Zelensky being a bad choice.

And no Putin fantasising of a Greater Russia is not Zelenskys fault.

 

[Flankerl]

I was speaking of Orbán, by the way.
It is not all black and white. Salvini, Orbán, Morawiecki, Le Pen are all different than one another. It's different people with different mindsets.
They might agree or disagee with each other.

Stop evading, you have been a walking Salvini ad all over RF and now you don't want to talk about it.

 

[Augustus]

Self-determination is OK, but a wrong selection lands countries in trouble.

Self-determination for Ukraine is ok, as long as they use it to select a Quisling who sells out their people's desires in favour of personal enrichment while becoming a Russian vassal.

Anything else offends "sensibilities".

A bit like if a woman leaves her abusive husband, then she should remain single and chaste for the rest of her life while submissively remaining at her ex's beck and call. Anything else would risk offending her violent ex's "sensibilities" and may force him to rape and murder her and her new lover. If he did murder her, it wouldn't be his fault, she was asking for it really. He was just looking after his own interests after all. It wouldn't be fair on him to see her happy without him after moving onto something better. We have to think of his feeling most of all.

Freedom to choose is ok, but a wrong selection lands people in trouble. Then they can't complain

 

[Estro Felino]

Stop evading, you have been a walking Salvini ad all over RF and now you don't want to talk about it.

I might agree or disagree with Salvini.

But this does not change the relationship between Zelensky and Soros

 

[Estro Felino]

Self-determination for Ukraine is ok, as long as they use it to select a Quisling who sells out their people's desires in favour of personal enrichment while becoming a Russian vassal

I am afraid you are implying that being a NATO vassal or a EU's vassal is much better than being a Moscow vassal.
Correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Augustus]

I am afraid you are implying that being a NATO vassal or a EU's vassal is much better than being a Moscow vassal.
Correct me if I am wrong.

You seem to be implying that voluntarily joining the EU/NATO (which you can leave at any time) is equivalent to being forced to be a Russian vassal for eternity down the barrel of a gun.

That's like saying being raped is the same as having sex.

 

[Estro Felino]

You seem to be implying that voluntarily joining the EU/NATO (which you can leave at any time) is equivalent to being forced to be a Russian vassal for eternity down the barrel of a gun.

That's like saying being raped is the same as having sex.

Speaking of the EU...it is equivalent...or much worse...since they did anything to prevent Britain from quitting, begging her to remain on their knees...

As for the NATO, I think it should have stabilized a solid relationship with Russia, 30 years ago. Which it did not.

 

[fantome profane]

I am afraid you are implying that being a NATO vassal or a EU's vassal is much better than being a Moscow vassal.
Correct me if I am wrong.

Let’s say you have two neighbours. The neighbour on your left is inviting you to join the neighborhood watch if you want to.

On the other hand the neighbour on your right is murdering your children!


I guess it is all the same thing.

 

[Martin]

Maybe NATO shouldnt be intimidated by Vlad the Invader. He needs a good slap.

 

[Bj732]

Maybe NATO shouldnt be intimidated by Vlad the Invader. He needs a good slap.

Some in NATO wanted this war. Putin took the bait. Spirit told me.
For several reasons perhaps. No competition in the middle east?

 

[Revoltingest]

Some in NATO wanted this war. Putin took the bait. Spirit told me.

Who?
Why?

 

[Bj732]

Who?
Why?

They probably have many reasons. Hoping for a collapse of Russia, get rid of Putin, middle east, natural gas, Neon for semiconductors etc...

 

[Aupmanyav]

Yes Democracy is truly horrible.
Ukraine is in favor of its structural integrity.
You have yet to provide even one example of Zelensky being a bad choice.
And no Putin fantasizing of a Greater Russia is not Zelenskys fault.

Democracy is the best possible solution. Populism is the villain.
I hope they are able to keep their integrity.
That they had to go to a war, I consider that a bad example.
I think Putin is looking for a secure Russia.

Freedom to choose is ok, but a wrong selection lands people in trouble. Then they can't complain

Yeah, Ukrainians should not complain.

 

[Revoltingest]

They probably have many reasons. Hoping for a collapse of Russia, get rid of Putin, middle east, natural gas, Neon for semiconductors etc...

That makes no sense.
Which NATO countries want war?
- Neon will likely be less available.
Ukraine is a big producer, & this supply is now threatened.
- Gas deposits offshore from Ukraine will be controlled by
Russia.
- War getting rid of Putin is risky.
And had there been no war, there'd be no need to ditch him.

 

[Aupmanyav]

And had there been no war, there'd be no need to ditch him.

Yeah, a subservient Putin would have been no problem.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yeah, a subservient Putin would have been no problem.

He needn't be subservient.
Just not belligerent.