Meat Eaters = Selfish (Steve & Bill)

[McBell]

You may ask your vegan friends their reasons

I am an ovo-lacto vegetarian(this means I eat eggs and meat derivs) and I can tell you my blood results are very healthy without the need of any suplements. Vegans do generaly need to take something at least for b12.



Fertilizers still would need to be used for the cows food and th cow is dying anyways so I see litle extra problem there. Also I wouldn´t deem insects to have a capacity of suffering as refined as animals. Animal´s brains are very similar to ours, apart from some minor differences (that do naturally have BIG effects ) their brains are like ours. They are capable of not only physical pain but psychological pain and they suffer all their life before being turned into meat.

What is a "meat deriv"?

 

[Me Myself]

Sure I don't need just steak to live (which over time is rather unhealthy) I mean I don't meats just for flavor but I also think flavor when tasting is a natural thing. We are past the point where we eat things to survive agriculture has settled that problem

Well the thing is that to prefer a meal that causes a lot more suffering to one that doesn´t just because you like how it tastes is to the least a much less considerate contemplation than to eat the one that causes least suffering.

A vegetarian diet is actually expensive here. These little health food stores that cater to Vegetarians are expensive.

Are you sure? Maybe you are thinking on the vegetarian meat, a lot of peole think that is needd for a vegetarian diet and this is absolutely false. Vegetarian "meat" is only meant as a vegetarian "luxury" of sorts, but is definetely unnecesary from a viewpoint of health.

Are beans and lentils more expensive than meat there? because that is pretty much what replaces it.

 

[Majikthise]

The validity of one creatures suffering vs another's is a very slippery slope.

 

[Me Myself]

What is a "meat deriv"?

A very weird typo where I meant "milk derivate" *goes correct*

 

[Me Myself]

The validity of one creatures suffering vs another's is a very slippery slope.

Well as I told you, it still remits to the deaths that are necesary for our survival to the deaths that are necesary so we say "yummy".

 

[Averroes]

Well the thing is that to prefer a meal that causes a lot more suffering to one that doesn´t just because you like how it tastes is to the least a much less considerate contemplation than to eat the one that causes least suffering.



Are you sure? Maybe you are thinking on the vegetarian meat, a lot of peole think that is needd for a vegetarian diet and this is absolutely false. Vegetarian "meat" is only meant as a vegetarian "luxury" of sorts, but is definetely unnecesary from a viewpoint of health.

Are beans and lentils more expensive than meat there? because that is pretty much what replaces it.

I honestly don't know that is a good question. My point in all this is suffering whether upon a human or an animal is inevitable whatever you do. I mean buying Nike/Jordan products causes suffering to impoverished Indonesians and people of other 3rd world countries. So what is the difference with meats? Is the purpose to cause the least amount of suffering? Well if that is true then clothing customs ought to follow dietary customs then {As it pertains to causing the least amount of suffering}

 

[McBell]

um...
If everyone goes vegetarian will the cost of genuine leather sky rocket?

 

[Me Myself]

I honestly don't know that is a good question. My point in all this is suffering whether upon a human or an animal is inevitable whatever you do. I mean buying Nike/Jordan products causes suffering to impoverished Indonesians and people of other 3rd world countries. So what is the difference with meats? Is the purpose to cause the least amount of suffering? Well if that is true then clothing customs ought to follow dietary customs then {As it pertains to causing the least amount of suffering}

It would a compasionate way of following I do agree.

I am not saying anyone here is a horrible person and will go to meat-eaters hell or something like that for eating meat( I ate it for almost 20 years after all )

I do am saying that we can promote not to eat something that in it´s very fabrication immidiatly implies the killing of a sentient being no matter how it is done. In itself it is something much more prone to abuse than most others.

We have the hardest part the way I see it. I hope in the future a big porcentage of countries will be vegetarian, as we grow in compassion to sengtient beings around us. It´s hardest now because almost everyone sees eating a piece of murdered and tortured living being as being "normal", but even if we eat meat less frecuently or make sure that we only eat meat from places where we know the treatment is far better, or any other consideration we give, it is something plus to a change.

um...
If everyone goes vegetarian will the cost of genuine leather sky rocket?

Help me find out

 

[Averroes]

um...
If everyone goes vegetarian will the cost of genuine leather sky rocket?

LOL :bow:

 

[Majikthise]

My brothers ex wife was a vegan due to amimal suffering, got mad at me when I took my nephews fishing. But she always wore a genuine leather jacket and boots.

Go figure.

 

[McBell]

My brothers ex wife was a vegan due to amimal suffering, got mad at me when I took my nephews fishing. But she always wore a genuine leather jacket and boots.

Go figure.

Well, that is because animals only suffer when you eat them.
Skinning them does not cause them any pain.

 

[Averroes]

It would a compasionate way of following I do agree.

I am not saying anyone here is a horrible person and will go to meat-eaters hell or something like that for eating meat( I ate it for almost 20 years after all )

I do am saying that we can promote not to eat something that in it´s very fabrication immidiatly implies the killing of a sentient being no matter how it is done. In itself it is something much more prone to abuse than most others.

We have the hardest part the way I see it. I hope in the future a big porcentage of countries will be vegetarian, as we grow in compassion to sengtient beings around us. It´s hardest now because almost everyone sees eating a piece of murdered and tortured living being as being "normal", but even if we eat meat less frecuently or make sure that we only eat meat from places where we know the treatment is far better, or any other consideration we give, it is something plus to a change.




Help me find out

Well if technology can produce a replicator like in Star Trek and make me a nice juicy steak I will not eat another cow again. Or if I can somehow trick my brain/digestive system like in the matrix then I will stop eating cows

 

[Me Myself]

My brothers ex wife was a vegan due to amimal suffering, got mad at me when I took my nephews fishing. But she always wore a genuine leather jacket and boots.

Go figure.

True vegans generaly don´t do this.

I still haven´t take the rebolution to my clothes but I don´t frown at people eating meat in general life.

I remember me and a friend that we always ask vegetarian pizzas when we meet(PUN!) (he is not veg, but they are good pizzas! ) used to joke that when we had enough money we had to order a pizza that had every meat ingridient in there (for him) and the other vegetarian (for me) just so to hear the reaction of the guy attending us by phone

When he tasted the meat of the pizza of that specific place he lost interest though. Turns out they have the best vegetarian pizzas out there, but their peperoni sucks

 

[McBell]

I am not a vegetarian because I like vegetables.
I am a vegetarian because I hate plants.

 

[Willamena]

I am not a vegetarian because I like vegetables.
I am a vegetarian because I hate plants.

Sadistic! .....nice.

 

[Me Myself]

I am not a vegetarian because I like vegetables.
I am a vegetarian because I hate plants.

You a vegetarian?

That´s one of my favorite vegetarian quotes xD

 

[Averroes]

I remember in my philosophy of ethics class some dude had the nerve to say "I'm very conscious of the suffering of the cow. When I eat a cheeseburger I thank that cow for suffering for me"

 

[McBell]

You a vegetarian?

That´s one of my favorite vegetarian quotes xD

Yes.
Well, kinda, sorta.


Eating red meat causes my Crohn's Disease to flare up.
So no beef or pork or deer or moose or buffalo unless I want to spend a few days in the hospital.

 

[Me Myself]

I remember in my philosophy of ethics class some dude had the nerve to say "I'm very conscious of the suffering of the cow. When I eat a cheeseburger I thank that cow for suffering for me"

Heh... well I wouldn´t say it´s wrong and I do deem it as a good practice(if you are already eating it that is), but that is for entirely esoterical reasons that doesn´t hav much place to be discussed here n_nU

Yes.
Well, kinda, sorta.


Eating red meat causes my Crohn's Disease to flare up.
So no beef or pork or deer or moose or buffalo unless I want to spend a few days in the hospital.

Ah, well, forced vegetarianism

 

[Majikthise]

I have no problem, whatsoever, with anyone who wishes to be a vegatarian for any reason they wish. It is when the attempt is made to preach anyone who follows the natural omniverous diet we humans are addapted to that the problems start.
This is almost exclusively the realm of animal rights activists. Raising children on a vegan diet is another proiblem I have with this. A crucial decission is being made for them too early in life. My nephew was raised vegan, when he was 14 he tried meat , liked it , and went overboard. His body wasn't used to it and he ultimately ended up having to have his gall bladder removed as a result.
Vegatarianism is not natural for our species, that is a fact.