Meat Eaters = Selfish (Steve & Bill)

[Me Myself]

I have no problem, whatsoever, with anyone who wishes to be a vegatarian for any reason they wish. It is when the attempt is made to preach anyone who follows the natural omniverous diet we humans are addapted to that the problems start.
This is almost exclusively the realm of animal rights activists. Raising children on a vegan diet is another proiblem I have with this. A crucial decission is being made for them too early in life. My nephew was raised vegan, when he was 14 he tried meat , liked it , and went overboard. His body wasn't used to it and he ultimately ended up having to have his gall bladder removed as a result.
Vegatarianism is not natural for our species, that is a fact.

It is natural for humans to start tribal wars with the humans of the territory on our right/left/north/you-name-it. It is natural. It is found all over the animal kingdom.

Yet we have found ways to keep peace (not absolute nor perfect, wars exist today we all know). We promote peace and we try to negotiate and see every human as a brother, things like humanism arise where everyone is important even if he comes form a completely different place of the world or we don´t know him. this wuold have never happened "naturaly" some millenia ago.

We change our nature all the time. vegetarianism is a change that can be done to be more compassionate with sentient beings around us and it is a healthy and viable option for living.

Vegetarianism can be healthy way of living and we are the only specie capable of acomplishing something like vegetarianism because of our very own nature. And that, is a fact.

 

[Averroes]

I have no problem, whatsoever, with anyone who wishes to be a vegatarian for any reason they wish. It is when the attempt is made to preach anyone who follows the natural omniverous diet we humans are addapted to that the problems start.
This is almost exclusively the realm of animal rights activists. Raising children on a vegan diet is another proiblem I have with this. A crucial decission is being made for them too early in life. My nephew was raised vegan, when he was 14 he tried meat , liked it , and went overboard. His body wasn't used to it and he ultimately ended up having to have his gall bladder removed as a result.
Vegatarianism is not natural for our species, that is a fact.

Sorry to hear that.

 

[Averroes]

As Majikthise has stated we are omnivores. Our teeth alone is proof of this.

 

[Me Myself]

As Majikthise has stated we are omnivores. Our teeth alone is proof of this.

We can eat meat. So what?

Ability doesn´t mean necessity and the ADA is very clear:

"It is the position of the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada that appropriately planned vegetarian diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases."

 

[Majikthise]

Our physiology is not a choice. That is in the realm of evolution.
We cannot simply decide to become a vegatarian species any more than we can decide to grow an extra set of arms.

 

[Me Myself]

Our physiology is not a choice. That is in the realm of evolution.
We cannot simply decide to become a vegatarian species any more than we can decide to grow an extra set of arms.

I haven´t grown xtra arms yet, but I am vegetarian.

I am also healthy according to my blood results.

Am I an alien?

 

[Averroes]

We can eat meat. So what?

Ability doesn´t mean necessity and the ADA is very clear:

"It is the position of the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada that appropriately planned vegetarian diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases."

I agree it doesn't mean necessity. It was a necessity for our ancestors. As much as I respect the ADA there is not enough research that is conclusive to show that having a meat eating diet correlates to meat related diseases. I mean, it is more likely (than not) that if I continue to eat steak I may develop colon cancer but that doesn't mean I don't have the genetic predisposition to get it if I didn't eat meat. By the way I am very much liking my debate between me, you, and majikthise...This discussion is making me hungry for a turkey sandwich lol

 

[Majikthise]

I haven´t grown xtra arms yet, but I am vegetarian.

I am also healthy according to my blood results.

Am I an alien?

No, aliens abduct cows in the midwestern US for wierd experiments. You wouldn't do that.

 

[Me Myself]

I agree it doesn't mean necessity. It was a necessity for our ancestors. As much as I respect the ADA there is not enough research that is conclusive to show that having a meat eating diet correlates to meat related diseases. I mean, it is more likely (than not) that if I continue to eat steak I may develop colon cancer but that doesn't mean I don't have the genetic predisposition to get it if I didn't eat meat. By the way I am very much liking my debate between me, you, and majikthise...This discussion is making me hungry for a turkey sandwich lol

I am not presenting the argument as a "vegetarianism is healthier" I am presenting it as "It is healthy"

Hence, if we wanted our diets to not mean unnecesary suffering for other sentient beings, we could all turn veg without any detriment to our healths.

 

[Me Myself]

No, aliens abduct cows in the midwestern US for wierd experiments. You wouldn't do that.

Oh no, I wouldn´t :ninja:

But well, am I getting my point through?

I also seem the father of the child as a normal parenting behaviour. He is teaching his child what he thinks is more moral. The child is healthy, and the only thing that caused him unhealthy reactions is to eat something that suffered a helckuvalot worse than he did for it to be eaten.

I jus don´t see it as very grave, it´s just a taste. None of us have tasted every gastronomical pleasure in existence, nor we ever will and even I am sure we couldn´t even get to taste every vegetarian gastronomical lasure in existence. I just don´t see it as a big deal at all .

 

[Majikthise]

I think I remember reading somewhere that some research found cooking meat may cause cancers due to carcinogens produced in the process.

 

[Averroes]

I am not presenting the argument as a "vegetarianism is healthier" I am presenting it as "It is healthy"

Hence, if we wanted our diets to not mean unnecesary suffering for other sentient beings, we could all turn veg without any detriment to our healths.

I still think we possibly can cause harm to plants if we eat them

 

[Me Myself]

I still think we possibly can cause harm to plants if we eat them

1- As long as that is only a posiblity it remains more sensible to sentient beings to abstain from meat and eat from plants.

2- Even if such is discovered to be the case, there are definitevely dieatary ways in which you can at least minimize the damage done overall. The diet would be mostly based on fruits, dried seeds, milk derivs and eggs.

3- If you tell me fruit suffers you may be a wibble bit paranoid

 

[Averroes]

1- As long as that is only a posiblity it remains more sensible to sentient beings to abstain from meat and eat from plants.

2- Even if such is discovered to be the case, there are definitevely dieatary ways in which you can at least minimize the damage done overall. The diet would be mostly based on fruits, dried seeds, milk derivs and eggs.

3- If you tell me fruit suffers you may be a wibble bit paranoid

Are fruits living things as well? The answer is yes if they are attached to the vine believe it or not!

 

[Me Myself]

Are fruits living things as well? The answer is yes if they are attached to the vine believe it or not!

o.0 ehmm.... better just stay by point 1 with you. If fruits are genuinely reported to suffer, I´ll figure something out with you n_nU

 

[Averroes]

o.0 ehmm.... better just stay by point 1 with you. If fruits are genuinely reported to suffer, I´ll figure something out with you n_nU

I am currently eating a turkey bacon sandwich right now I feel bad for the piggy and the turkey. Their suffering is going to end in 3.....2....1...

 

[Me Myself]

I am currently eating a turkey bacon sandwich right now I feel bad for the piggy and the turkey. Their suffering is going to end in 3.....2....1...

I presented the option

 

[Averroes]

I presented the option

Ok ok I'lll put some lettuce and tomato on it...happy?

 

[Me Myself]

Ok ok I'lll put some lettuce and tomato on it...happy?

I appreciate a comical post as much as the next guy, but you are better philosopher than buffoon, and your argumentation ended up with the feelings of the fruits and you don´t seem to have anything more of actual philosophical or argumentative content left to input so I guess I´ll rest my case for today

 

[Averroes]

I appreciate a comical post as much as the next guy, but you are better philosopher than buffoon, and your argumentation ended up with the feelings of the fruits and you don´t seem to have anything more of actual philosophical or argumentative content left to input so I guess I´ll rest my case for today

I actually do but I'm trying to finish this sandwich and I am a bit sleepy so I'll retire and we'll continue this tomorrow