Meat eating fascists attack vegan cafe

[Wirey]

Apparently you are an expert at fooling yourself.

Says the man who thinks the US dynamited the Towers and Oswald worked for the CIA.

 

[Wirey]

Animal trappers are psychopaths.

Yeah, but we founded Canada.

 

[Chakra]

Or y'know, It's a valid comparison.

You are more than capable of analyzing what they are saying and disregarding the analogy if you wish, you're not an idiot. Real idea's have been discussed and thrown around already in this thread.

Calling Godwin's law has always been a distractionary argument. If the Hitler comparison isn't valid, explain why it isn't valid.
The person dismissing the claim on the basis of what the analogy compares to is the one without real ideas, not the one making the analogy.

I agree in the sense that Hitler comparisons aren't very efficient on continuing discussion. Perhaps it is more efficient to explain why their analogy is valid/invalid, rather than dismiss the person making the analogy entirely, no?

Fine, we fail to show humanity to things that aren't human. Granted. My issue was with the Holocaust reference as a logical failure.

Comparison of type =/ Comparison of severity.

 

[Chakra]

Animal trappers are psychopaths.

Would you mind putting spoilers on those images? People could be taken aback by the harsh pictures.

 

[Lyndon]

Aushwitz a place were people are killed, factory farms, a place where animals are slaughtered, its a pretty close connection, your whole argument is based on the idea that humans are the only lives that are important and animals lives don't matter, which is pretty ignorant attitude.

 

[Wirey]

Aushwitz a place were people are killed, factory farms, a place where animals are slaughtered, its a pretty close connection, your whole argument is based on the idea that humans are the only lives that are important and animals lives don't matter, which is pretty ignorant attitude.

I ain't saying don't matter, I'm saying aren't as important.

 

[Lyndon]

Well to us vegetarians, some meat eaters lives aren't as important to us as many animals lives.

 

[Wirey]

Well to us vegetarians, some meat eaters lives aren't as important to us as many animals lives.

Yeah, I get stuck behind them in the passing lane too.

 

[Wu Wei]

And yet other vegetarians see all life as equally important...no matter what they eat....herbivores, carnivore, omnivore......go figure

 

[Lyndon]

A lot of vegetarians see murderers lives as less important, and animal life just as important as human.

 

[Madhuri]

A lot of vegetarians see murderers lives as less important, and animal life just as important as human.

I personally take it case by case. A lot of scumbag humans are less to me than any animal but generally I give more value to a human's life. And then I don't see every animal species as equal either. I value the life of a cow more than that of an ant, for example. But I wouldn't intentionally hurt an ant if I could help it.

 

[Wu Wei]

A lot of vegetarians see murderers lives as less important, and animal life just as important as human.

I doubt that Tenzin Gyatso or Li Guang Fu would agree, but to each his own.

 

[Nous]

Would you mind putting spoilers on those images? People could be taken aback by the harsh pictures.

Sorry about that. Yes, will put spoilers on such horrible pictures.

 

[Wirey]

You too.

 

[McBell]

Aushwitz a place were people are killed, factory farms, a place where animals are slaughtered, its a pretty close connection,

Fair enough

your whole argument is based on the idea that humans are the only lives that are important and animals lives don't matter, which is pretty ignorant attitude.

Where do you draw the line?
Bacteria?
Virii?


Ah, yes.
Never mind.
It is plants....

 

[Chakra]

So I just lost a few posts because I am apparently making personal attacks, unlike the wonderful respectful treatment I have received in turn:





I guess a mod is a vegan too. You win. I'll never eat meat again. God forbid someone has a differing viewpoint.

If you feel that a post violates the rules, please report it. All reports are taken case by case and we make sure bias does not become a problem.

 

[Chakra]

Fair enough


Where do you draw the line?
Bacteria?
Virii?


Ah, yes.
Never mind.
It is plants....

Sentience, I would say.

 

[columbus]

Well if you actually read the messages the mod's sent you I think saying you made personal attacks are pretty indisputable.
If you maintain the position that you did not in futility there is a process for having the mods hear your case, also in the mail.

You directly made attacks against people based on who they were and not what they were arguing.
Personally I think saying someone has never used their brain to think properly in their life is a personal attack, no?


I also reported Nous if that makes you feel any better about your actions.

Please review the rule or read the message mods sent you.


I did not personally attack you. I called you out for personal attacks. There is a pretty big difference. If you feel I crossed a line I would support you reporting the post and having the mods review it.
I'm not going to be super polite to you after your earlier display, I'm issuing you the respect the rules give you, not the amount I think you deserve.

The argument that your personal attacks were not personal attacks because you were also being personally attacked is pretty weak.


If you don't want to accept blame a solid strategy is to pin it onto the one making the judgement.


We do not criticize a viewpoint because it's different, but because of moral reasons.
Supporters of immoral practice throughout history have used similar arguments.

We have derailed the thread. Have a nice day.

I'm going to go eat a bacon cheeseburger in your honor.
Tom

Wanna join me @Wirey?

 

[Valjean]

If the reason we extend moral consideration to other humans is their sentience, capacity for pain, suffering, joy and happiness; ability to anticipate futurity, &c, wouldn't it be morally inconsistent not to extend consideration to all beings who fit this category?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

I'm going to go eat a bacon cheeseburger in your honor.

Fascist!