Men and women. Friends or foes?

[Alien826]

I guess I have the right to understand.
It's something that traumatized me...in the nineties, when I heard of Clinton and Lewinski.
It's an unresolved issue.
Clinton treated as a criminal just because he had an extra-marital affair with a younger woman.

Is that because he was a straight man?

Clinton was not impeached for of sexual misconduct or marital infidelity. That would be between him and his wife and the voters. Not a crime. He was impeached for lying under oath and obstruction of justice. In short, if he had simply admitted it there would have been no legal implications.

Edit: That was answered way back. Sorry.

 

[Father Heathen]

All right, I respect your opinion and I value it.
But I am trying to understand a rapist's psychological world. His mindset.
If I have understood correctly the rapist is turned on by those women who will reject him, since he likes to affirm their power over them, even if they look unattractive. Whereas the rapist is turned off by those sexually available women, right? And won't rape them.


For example: a beautiful rapist meets a pretty girl who falls in love with him...and she is sexually available...but he won't touch her...because she is into him.

You're not a psychiatrist. How about googling for studies by those who are. That's preferable to subjecting people to ridicilous presumptions.

 

[Estro Felino]

Clinton was not impeached for of sexual misconduct or marital infidelity. That would be between him and his wife and the voters. Not a crime. He was impeached for lying under oath and obstruction of justice. In short, if he had simply admitted it there would have been no legal implications.

If he had lied under oath about eating pizza with pepperoni instead of lasagne, would he have still been impeached?

Come on...

 

[Alien826]

Here's a thought, make of it what you will.

Once, rape was considered to be essentially physically violent. That's how we thought of it. Refusal by a woman was often seen as a message to be more seductive. "Faint heart never won fair lady" and all that. Yes, it went too far.

Then along came the idea that a woman has the right to say "no" at any stage of the proceedings. Nothing wrong with that, and I support it. However it expanded the idea of non consensual sex a lot. Suddenly it's not just bashing woman on the head and holding her down that's wrong but any form of persistence in the face of refusal.

I'm wondering if that is what has fed some women's idea that men are essentially rapists?

 

[Father Heathen]

I think the American society wants men and women to look like pals...going together to a football game together, drinking beer.

We are not like that. Males remain males...they are just soccer-maniacs who hang out together in groups.
And women gossiping about them at the hairdressers, trying to be as stylish and feminine as possible.
C'est l'Europe.

Living life as a two dimensional stereotype sounds like a sad, shallow existence.

 

[Estro Felino]

Living life as a two dimensional stereotype sounds like a sad, shallow existence.

I don't think so.
It increases the romance and the mystery between the two sexes.
And it kindles passion.

 

[Alien826]

If he had lied under oath about eating pizza with pepperoni instead of lasagne, would he have still been impeached?

Come on...

First we would have to know why it was considered important that the question was answered correctly. If it was a simple question about what he had for dinner with no other implications, then I can't see anyone basing an impeachment on it. I'd have to get pretty inventive to think of a situation where that had some far reaching effect, where it could be impeachable, not because of the pizza but because of the other implications.

Pizza or blow job, it was all political anyway.

 

[Estro Felino]

Pizza or blow job, it was all political anyway.

The issue here is that the FLOTUS is a political institution. She campaigns with the POTUS. So their marital life has a sort of political relevance, especially when the events take place within the walls of the WH which is considered the temple of this marital union.
Do you agree?

 

[Estro Felino]

@Father Heathen @Alien826


By the way....this is a gorgeous man flirting with some Italian woman. We are like that. We are so open with men.

 

[Alien826]

The issue here is that the FLOTUS is a political institution. She campaigns with the POTUS. So their marital life has a sort of political relevance, especially when the events take place within the walls of the WH which is considered the temple of this marital union.
Do you agree?

It may be considered to be that way. In reality, their marriage has nothing to do with running the country, and how well he does that should be all we care about.

 

[Alien826]

@Father Heathen @Alien826


By the way....this is a gorgeous man flirting with some Italian woman. We are like that. We are so open with men.

If I were a woman and some guy opened with obtrusive questions, or wanted to touch my hair I'd tell him to eff off. Too pushy! Maybe they were just being polite, or realized he was filming them.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I think the American society wants men and women to look like pals...going together to a football game together, drinking beer.

You do know some women like those things, right? The sports thing is still considered a guys, but we don't give a flying fart if a woman likes those things. Sometimes husbands and wives do them together.

 

[SomeRandom]

I think the American society wants men and women to look like pals...going together to a football game together, drinking beer.

We are not like that. Males remain males...they are just soccer-maniacs who hang out together in groups.
And women gossiping about them at the hairdressers, trying to be as stylish and feminine as possible.
C'est l'Europe.

I don’t even think that’s accurate in Europe!
Not entirely anyway.
Sure I know plenty of women who like or even prefer gossip and make up and what have you.
But I also know plenty of women soccer fans in say England (family is from there.)
I know plenty of female football fans in my own country (for me that’s Rugby and Australian Rules football.)
Hell there was such an unexpected interest shown in the women’s Australian Rules Football in my country that the AFL literally sped up their plans for facilitating the division on a national level. Not even kidding. They were expecting to have to do some more grassroots advertising, but the public seemed to welcome a women’s league quite readily, all things considered.
I literally grew up in stadiums attending games. Just as many women there as men.
Encouraged by my father and his friends.
And again when I went to visit fam in California I saw just as many female sports fans as men there.
I assume I went in the middle of their football season, given all the fan merch I saw.

Like some girls like sports. Some guys like fashion. That’s pretty universal, my friend

 

[Estro Felino]

If I were a woman and some guy opened with obtrusive questions, or wanted to touch my hair I'd tell him to eff off. Too pushy! Maybe they were just being polite, or realized he was filming them.

No....
the fact that he was gorgeous played a significant role.
Italian woman are straight...mostly.

 

[Father Heathen]

No....
the fact that he was gorgeous played a significant role.
Italian woman are straight...mostly.

What does looks or orientation have to do with personal boundaries?

 

[Estro Felino]

What does looks or orientation have to do with personal boundaries?

I am very proud of my fellow Italians... how they were available and open to that scrumptious male prey.

 

[Estro Felino]

What does looks or orientation have to do with personal boundaries?

I dare not imagine what American women would have done to that poor man.

 

[Father Heathen]

I don’t even think that’s accurate in Europe!
Not entirely anyway.
Sure I know plenty of women who like or even prefer gossip and make up and what have you.
But I also know plenty of women soccer fans in say England (family is from there.)
I know plenty of female football fans in my own country (for me that’s Rugby and Australian Rules football.)
Hell there was such an unexpected interest shown in the women’s Australian Rules Football in my country that the AFL literally sped up their plans for facilitating the division on a national level. Not even kidding. They were expecting to have to do some more grassroots advertising, but the public seemed to welcome a women’s league quite readily, all things considered.
I literally grew up in stadiums attending games. Just as many women there as men.
Encouraged by my father and his friends.
And again when I went to visit fam in California I saw just as many female sports fans as men there.
I assume I went in the middle of their football season, given all the fan merch I saw.

Like some girls like sports. Some guys like fashion. That’s pretty universal, my friend

I can assure you nothing that @Estro Felino has said about America has been close to accurate.

 

[SomeRandom]

I dare not imagine what American women would have done to that poor man.

Don’t know about Americans.
But I can certainly see some Aussie gals throwing a few punches.
Or if they’re in a club, a splashing a drink over them or even worse (we call it “being glassed” here.)
Doesn’t matter if you’re an Adonis, you respect personal boundaries like a grown up or suffer the consequences.
And I am a heterosexual woman by the way.
Not that it matters.
I’ve had to comfort a few of my gay pals over the years over just such a thing. Unfortunately

 

[SomeRandom]

I can assure you that nothing @Estro Felino says about America has been close to accurate.

Yeah it hasn’t sounded very accurate, truth be told. But I’m not American so