men living beyond 200 years, fiction? or bad interpretation?

[iholdit]

then its unverifiable trash

it smelled of aig garbage

The study was done by ncbi. Either you dont know what a reputable scientific source is or you are just in denial.

 

[outhouse]

NO WHERE IS THERE ANYONE LIVING PAST 150 LET ALONE 200.

Longevity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Population longevities are increasing as life expectancies around the world grow:[1][2]

• Spain: 79.08 years in 2002, 81.07 years in 2010
• Australia: 80 years in 2002, 81.72 years in 2010
• Italy: 79.25 years in 2002, 80.33 years in 2010
• France: 79.05 years in 2002, 81.09 years in 2010
• Germany: 77.78 years in 2002, 79.41 years in 2010
• UK: 77.99 years in 2002, 79.92 years in 2010
• USA: 77.4 years in 2002, 78.24 years in 2010

Long-lived individuals
The Gerontology Research Group validates current longevity records by modern standards, and maintains a list of supercentenarians; many other unvalidated longevity claims exist. Record-holding individuals include:

• Jeanne Calment (1875–1997, 122 years, 164 days): the oldest person in history whose age has been verified by modern documentation. This defines the modern human life span, which is set by the oldest documented individual who ever lived.
• Shigechiyo Izumi (1865–1986, 120 years, 237 days, disputed): the second oldest human ever recognized by the Guinness Book of World Records; this is questioned by some scholars, who believe that conflation of dates or names has compromised the authenticity of Izumi's age.

Longevity and lifestyle
Evidence-based studies indicate that longevity is based on two major factors, genetics and lifestyle choices.[3] Twin studies,[4] have estimated that approximately 20-30% of an individual’s lifespan is related to genetics, the rest is due to individual behaviors and environmental factors which can be modified. Study of the regions of the world known as blue zones,[5] where people commonly live active lives past 100 years of age, have shown that longevity is related to a healthy social and family life, not smoking, eating a plant-based diet, frequent consumption of legumes and nuts, and engaging in regular physical activity. In another well-designed cohort study,[6] the combination of a plant based diet, frequent consumption of nuts, regular physical activity, normal BMI, and not smoking accounted for differences up to 10 years in life expectancy. The Alameda County Study [7] discovered three additional lifestyle characteristics that promote longevity: limiting alcohol consumption, sleeping 7 to 8 hours per night, and not snacking (eating between meals).


please stop with your pesonal fantasy, the bible fable of old age is a myth

 

[ninerbuff]

That study shows a mathematical model that was based on data from the japanese people. It was once believed that the japanese had the highest amount of centenarians in the world. It has since been shown much of that data was faked and it is no longer believed japan has more centenarians than most other countries. This would make the data used to make the mathematical model in that study false, making the study irrelavent.
BBC News - More than 230,000 Japanese centenarians 'missing'

There have been many other more recent studies done in humans which suggest that many(but not all) humans would have similar effects as mice. I am not at home and am on my phone at the moment but i will find links to more recent studies showing this for you later on today.

Much of the research you have posted relates to mice and doubling their lifespan due to calorie restriction. If you doubled the lifespan of the average human age of 67, that would put them in the 134 age range. There hasn't been a verifiable documented age past 122.
Also those mice bit people, and their reproductive organs shut down. Now would you call that functional? I'm not talking shutting down due to age, but to the caloric restriction. Same happens with human females. If they get below a certain weight, their reproductive organs shut down.

 

[iholdit]

Much of the research you have posted relates to mice and doubling their lifespan due to calorie restriction. If you doubled the lifespan of the average human age of 67, that would put them in the 134 age range. There hasn't been a verifiable documented age past 122.
Also those mice bit people, and their reproductive organs shut down. Now would you call that functional? I'm not talking shutting down due to age, but to the caloric restriction. Same happens with human females. If they get below a certain weight, their reproductive organs shut down.

According to outhouse last post the average age seems higher than 67. Either way we are just talking caloric restriction alone in the mice studies and there has not been epigenetic studies done with caloric restriced mice. We know from epigenetic studies in humans that your grandparents diet will actually effect how long you live. This could cause a compound effect making the offspring of those caloric restricted mice live even longer. This would correspond with the biblical account of increased age over several generations. This also doesnt include supplement and genetics which could also increase age.

There is not a complete reproductive shut down in caloric restricted mice. There is less of a window for reproduction because the mice go through puberty later and menopause earlier. Then can still breed just for less amount of time than normal mice.

 

[iholdit]

Niner, sorry i just noticed you said the mice bit people. The non caloric restricted mice become too "old" to move while the caloric restricted mice are still running around like young mice. A caloric restricted mouse is probably more likely to have the energy to bite you than a non caloric restricted mouse making it more likely to bite you.

The studies done in humans on intermittent fasting diets actually show an increase in neurotrophic factor which causes you to be more relaxed and actually has a euphoric effect. Also the studies in mice and humans show increased serotonin levels in caloric restricted diets causing lower levels of depression and reduced aggressiveness.

 

[iholdit]

NO WHERE IS THERE ANYONE LIVING PAST 150 LET ALONE 200.

Longevity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Population longevities are increasing as life expectancies around the world grow:[1][2]

• Spain: 79.08 years in 2002, 81.07 years in 2010
• Australia: 80 years in 2002, 81.72 years in 2010
• Italy: 79.25 years in 2002, 80.33 years in 2010
• France: 79.05 years in 2002, 81.09 years in 2010
• Germany: 77.78 years in 2002, 79.41 years in 2010
• UK: 77.99 years in 2002, 79.92 years in 2010
• USA: 77.4 years in 2002, 78.24 years in 2010

Long-lived individuals
The Gerontology Research Group validates current longevity records by modern standards, and maintains a list of supercentenarians; many other unvalidated longevity claims exist. Record-holding individuals include:

• Jeanne Calment (1875?1997, 122 years, 164 days): the oldest person in history whose age has been verified by modern documentation. This defines the modern human life span, which is set by the oldest documented individual who ever lived.
• Shigechiyo Izumi (1865?1986, 120 years, 237 days, disputed): the second oldest human ever recognized by the Guinness Book of World Records; this is questioned by some scholars, who believe that conflation of dates or names has compromised the authenticity of Izumi's age.

Longevity and lifestyle
Evidence-based studies indicate that longevity is based on two major factors, genetics and lifestyle choices.[3] Twin studies,[4] have estimated that approximately 20-30% of an individual?s lifespan is related to genetics, the rest is due to individual behaviors and environmental factors which can be modified. Study of the regions of the world known as blue zones,[5] where people commonly live active lives past 100 years of age, have shown that longevity is related to a healthy social and family life, not smoking, eating a plant-based diet, frequent consumption of legumes and nuts, and engaging in regular physical activity. In another well-designed cohort study,[6] the combination of a plant based diet, frequent consumption of nuts, regular physical activity, normal BMI, and not smoking accounted for differences up to 10 years in life expectancy. The Alameda County Study [7] discovered three additional lifestyle characteristics that promote longevity: limiting alcohol consumption, sleeping 7 to 8 hours per night, and not snacking (eating between meals).


please stop with your pesonal fantasy, the bible fable of old age is a myth

Like i already stated in an earlier post the records that are being used only go back around 200 years and they are incomplete. There are records missing and there are countries and rural areas that didnt even use birth records.

 

[outhouse]

please stop with your pesonal fantasy, the bible fable of old age is a myth

and people living to 150 is a joke let alone 200.

you have no proof and nothing verifiable

 

[iholdit]

please stop with your pesonal fantasy, the bible fable of old age is a myth

and people living to 150 is a joke let alone 200.

you have no proof and nothing verifiable

I never said i had proof but you dont have proof it never happened either. Yet you have said you know for a fact that no human has ever lived passed around 120 years old. People living to 150 is not a joke it is certainly feasible for this to happen.

 

[outhouse]

doesnt matter what you state mendo not nor have they ever lived to 200 years.

scientist can tell how old the bones were when a person dies. Not one fossil ever has shown long lived lives.

This post is not about 200 years. Its about the lies in the bible and whether its interpretation error or fiction [lies]

I have shown links and work done to show its both.



you have no links, you have no proof, all you have is faith in a book you know nothing about.

 

[ninerbuff]

According to outhouse last post the average age seems higher than 67. Either way we are just talking caloric restriction alone in the mice studies and there has not been epigenetic studies done with caloric restriced mice. We know from epigenetic studies in humans that your grandparents diet will actually effect how long you live. This could cause a compound effect making the offspring of those caloric restricted mice live even longer. This would correspond with the biblical account of increased age over several generations. This also doesnt include supplement and genetics which could also increase age.

That was just a few countries. In some countries the average age is less than 60. Also I've studied and have experience with training older adults who were in unhealthy states. Many weren't over weight, but were suffering from deterioration of joint cartilage, arthritis, and just poor strength. Almost all under ate with many eating less than 1000 calories a day. I had to have them increase their calories to endure strength training which improved their physical strength and reduced pain in joints. This isn't new research, it can be found in medical journals. So research with mice aren't correlating to how we as humans would respond to calorie restrictive diets.

There is not a complete reproductive shut down in caloric restricted mice. There is less of a window for reproduction because the mice go through puberty later and menopause earlier. Then can still breed just for less amount of time than normal mice.

Maybe (I haven't seen the whole report on effects on the reproductive system) but I do know that women with issues of being underweight have high problems of conceiving and menstral cycle. Women long distance runners are some who are in this category.

 

[iholdit]

That was just a few countries. In some countries the average age is less than 60. Also I've studied and have experience with training older adults who were in unhealthy states. Many weren't over weight, but were suffering from deterioration of joint cartilage, arthritis, and just poor strength. Almost all under ate with many eating less than 1000 calories a day. I had to have them increase their calories to endure strength training which improved their physical strength and reduced pain in joints. This isn't new research, it can be found in medical journals. So research with mice aren't correlating to how we as humans would respond to calorie restrictive diets.

Maybe (I haven't seen the whole report on effects on the reproductive system) but I do know that women with issues of being underweight have high problems of conceiving and menstral cycle. Women long distance runners are some who are in this category.

You are correct that not all countries have lifespans in their 70s. What the research in mice shows is that a mice on a caloric restriced with optimal nutrition(cron) or intermittent fasting(if) diet can live up to what translates to 160 years old in humans. This however is just cron or "if" alone and does not include supplements like bcaa,oligofructose,creatine, etc. which have been shown to increase lifespan as well. So it is possible to increase lifespan beyond 160 in human years if cron, supplements, epigenetics, etc. are combined.

Im guessing you arent 100% familiar with how caloric restriction with optimal nutrition(cron) works. To begin with it is normally around a 30% reduction in calories in most of the mice studies. Some studies go as high as a 50% reduction but this is rare. Anything higher than a 50% reduction in calories has shown to actually reduce lifespan not increase it.

So the elderly people who are eating less than 1000 calories would actually fall into the more than 50% reduction category. Im guessing you are a personal trainer(i have a nasm cert.) so you are aware of what the u.s.d.a suggests is a normal calorie range. Also unless you have been eating a cron diet since an early age you will need more calories in order for your body to get enough energy. The younger you start cron diet the more efficient your body is at using calories for fuel. So an elderly person who did not start a cron diet early in life would need more calories than an elderly person who did. Either way every person on a properly formed cron diet eats an average of more than1000 calories a day. Also most of the conditions you described are reduced in mice and even on humans in cron studies.

Women who are extremely underweight are usually also undernourished(nutrient deficits). Women who are long distance runners usually have hormonal changes. Women in general who are on cron diets have no nutrient deficits and dont have the same hormonal changes as long distance runners. As i mentioned earlier the main reproductive changes with a cron diet are later puberty and earlier menopause, also while pregnant the females obviously must increase their calories just like normal females would.

 

[outhouse]

its still fantasy to get to 150 let alone 200.

120 is still tops on average.

iholdit,,,, you have no credibility you are not a doctor.

you dont bypass reason and reality with a odball idea that has no real merit.

 

[outhouse]

NO WHERE IS THERE ANYONE LIVING PAST 150 LET ALONE 200.

Longevity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Population longevities are increasing as life expectancies around the world grow:[1][2]

• Spain: 79.08 years in 2002, 81.07 years in 2010
• Australia: 80 years in 2002, 81.72 years in 2010
• Italy: 79.25 years in 2002, 80.33 years in 2010
• France: 79.05 years in 2002, 81.09 years in 2010
• Germany: 77.78 years in 2002, 79.41 years in 2010
• UK: 77.99 years in 2002, 79.92 years in 2010
• USA: 77.4 years in 2002, 78.24 years in 2010

Long-lived individuals

The Gerontology Research Group validates current longevity records by modern standards, and maintains a list of supercentenarians; many other unvalidated longevity claims exist. Record-holding individuals include:

• Jeanne Calment (1875–1997, 122 years, 164 days): the oldest person in history whose age has been verified by modern documentation. This defines the modern human life span, which is set by the oldest documented individual who ever lived.
• Shigechiyo Izumi (1865–1986, 120 years, 237 days, disputed): the second oldest human ever recognized by the Guinness Book of World Records; this is questioned by some scholars, who believe that conflation of dates or names has compromised the authenticity of Izumi's age.

Longevity and lifestyle
Evidence-based studies indicate that longevity is based on two major factors, genetics and lifestyle choices.[3] Twin studies,[4] have estimated that approximately 20-30% of an individual’s lifespan is related to genetics, the rest is due to individual behaviors and environmental factors which can be modified. Study of the regions of the world known as blue zones,[5] where people commonly live active lives past 100 years of age, have shown that longevity is related to a healthy social and family life, not smoking, eating a plant-based diet, frequent consumption of legumes and nuts, and engaging in regular physical activity. In another well-designed cohort study,[6] the combination of a plant based diet, frequent consumption of nuts, regular physical activity, normal BMI, and not smoking accounted for differences up to 10 years in life expectancy. The Alameda County Study [7] discovered three additional lifestyle characteristics that promote longevity: limiting alcohol consumption, sleeping 7 to 8 hours per night, and not snacking (eating between meals).


please stop with your pesonal fantasy, the bible fable of old age is a myth

i guess this needs repeating so that i can stop what faith has blinded

 

[iholdit]

i guess this needs repeating so that i can stop what faith has blinded

Lmao!!! Faith has blinded anyone who says they know something is a fact that they have never observed or experienced themselves or have no proof of.

You havent even looked at the study i posted, your argument was it came from aig. So i guess that means all of the scientists who do longevity research must be working for aig?

Saying you know for a fact, about something you have never observed,experienced or have proof of , is a faith based claim. It is your faith that blinds you.

I have spent 5 years in the longevity field, you havent even spent 5 min reading the study i posted and you claim to know for a fact that none of the longevity research applies to humans. Lmao!!!

 

[outhouse]

Lmao!!! Faith has blinded anyone who says they know something is a fact that they have never observed or experienced themselves or have no proof of.

You havent even looked at the study i posted, your argument was it came from aig. So i guess that means all of the scientists who do longevity research must be working for aig?

Saying you know for a fact, about something you have never observed,experienced or have proof of , is a faith based claim. It is your faith that blinds you.

I have spent 5 years in the longevity field, you havent even spent 5 min reading the study i posted and you claim to know for a fact that none of the longevity research applies to humans. Lmao!!!

and in all your nonsense you still have no proof of anything. you didnt post 1 reliable link, and i read every word you posted.

your studies were not done on man they mean absolutley nothing.

they are not worthless, they just dont have any credibility

you have no evidence man can even get to 150 let alone 200

 

[iholdit]

its still fantasy to get to 150 let alone 200.

120 is still tops on average.

iholdit,,,, you have no credibility you are not a doctor.

you dont bypass reason and reality with a odball idea that has no real merit.

You are correct i am not a doctor. I have 2 masters degrees in food and nutrition and exercise physiology. I also worked in the longevity field for 5 years and have been involved in aspects of research.

If anyone is lacking credibility here it is you for making unscientific claims that you "know for a fact" when you have not observed or experienced any of your claims and you have no proof to back them up.

 

[outhouse]

120 is still tops on average.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The oldest documented age at present is that of Antisa Khvichava at 130 years of age.

 

[iholdit]

and in all your nonsense you still have no proof of anything. you didnt post 1 reliable link, and i read every word you posted.

your studies were not done on man they mean absolutley nothing.

they are not worthless, they just dont have any credibility

you have no evidence man can even get to 150 let alone 200

Lmao!!! The link i posted was of studies done on man!!! You obviously didnt read it!!!

Lmao!!! You have no credibility because you have no evidence man can not get to 150 and yet you claim you know for a fact they cant.

 

[outhouse]

if you dont like it refute the wiki link i posted

despite your education you still have no credibility