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men living beyond 200 years, fiction? or bad interpretation?
- Thread starter outhouse
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The long and short of it is that if we want to increase our life-span without advanced medical intervention then we need to stop people having children until much later in life. Many of the late onset diseases which have a genetic influence remain in the gene-pool because there is no selective presure to remove them as most have had children before suffering any ill-effects.
Therefore if you stop people having children until they are 40 for example you would eventuallly wittle out of the gene pool those genes which have a deleterious effect on reproductive fitness. The remaining population may live longer as they do not suffer from as many genetically assocated diseases, at the very least their quality of life would be better.
Of course there are numerous moral and ethical issues to consider.
As for the claim that people lived 200 years I find it doubtful given that the trend seems to be towards having as many children as possible at as young an age as possible until countries develop.
Therefore if you stop people having children until they are 40 for example you would eventuallly wittle out of the gene pool those genes which have a deleterious effect on reproductive fitness. The remaining population may live longer as they do not suffer from as many genetically assocated diseases, at the very least their quality of life would be better.
Of course there are numerous moral and ethical issues to consider.
As for the claim that people lived 200 years I find it doubtful given that the trend seems to be towards having as many children as possible at as young an age as possible until countries develop.
Except in the bible most people who had children who lived to be an old age(over 120) did exactly what you are suggesting. They did not have children until later in life. This just adds to all the other aspects of diet,genes,epigenetics etc. that would contribute to a longer life.
Also you are correct this has been shown in fruit flies and the offspring of the fruit flies who produced later in life not only lived longer but they were actually fire resistant, no joke, i ll try to find a link to the study.
outhouse
Atheistically
NO WHERE IS THERE ANYONE LIVING PAST 150 LET ALONE 200. These are facts not a 3000 year old myth
Longevity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Population longevities are increasing as life expectancies around the world grow:[1][2]
The Gerontology Research Group validates current longevity records by modern standards, and maintains a list of supercentenarians; many other unvalidated longevity claims exist. Record-holding individuals include:
Evidence-based studies indicate that longevity is based on two major factors, genetics and lifestyle choices.[3] Twin studies,[4] have estimated that approximately 20-30% of an individual’s lifespan is related to genetics, the rest is due to individual behaviors and environmental factors which can be modified. Study of the regions of the world known as blue zones,[5] where people commonly live active lives past 100 years of age, have shown that longevity is related to a healthy social and family life, not smoking, eating a plant-based diet, frequent consumption of legumes and nuts, and engaging in regular physical activity. In another well-designed cohort study,[6] the combination of a plant based diet, frequent consumption of nuts, regular physical activity, normal BMI, and not smoking accounted for differences up to 10 years in life expectancy. The Alameda County Study [7] discovered three additional lifestyle characteristics that promote longevity: limiting alcohol consumption, sleeping 7 to 8 hours per night, and not snacking (eating between meals).
please stop with your pesonal fantasy, the bible fable of old age is a myth
Longevity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Population longevities are increasing as life expectancies around the world grow:[1][2]
- Spain: 79.08 years in 2002, 81.07 years in 2010
- Australia: 80 years in 2002, 81.72 years in 2010
- Italy: 79.25 years in 2002, 80.33 years in 2010
- France: 79.05 years in 2002, 81.09 years in 2010
- Germany: 77.78 years in 2002, 79.41 years in 2010
- UK: 77.99 years in 2002, 79.92 years in 2010
- USA: 77.4 years in 2002, 78.24 years in 2010
The Gerontology Research Group validates current longevity records by modern standards, and maintains a list of supercentenarians; many other unvalidated longevity claims exist. Record-holding individuals include:
- Jeanne Calment (1875–1997, 122 years, 164 days): the oldest person in history whose age has been verified by modern documentation. This defines the modern human life span, which is set by the oldest documented individual who ever lived.
- Shigechiyo Izumi (1865–1986, 120 years, 237 days, disputed): the second oldest human ever recognized by the Guinness Book of World Records; this is questioned by some scholars, who believe that conflation of dates or names has compromised the authenticity of Izumi's age.
Evidence-based studies indicate that longevity is based on two major factors, genetics and lifestyle choices.[3] Twin studies,[4] have estimated that approximately 20-30% of an individual’s lifespan is related to genetics, the rest is due to individual behaviors and environmental factors which can be modified. Study of the regions of the world known as blue zones,[5] where people commonly live active lives past 100 years of age, have shown that longevity is related to a healthy social and family life, not smoking, eating a plant-based diet, frequent consumption of legumes and nuts, and engaging in regular physical activity. In another well-designed cohort study,[6] the combination of a plant based diet, frequent consumption of nuts, regular physical activity, normal BMI, and not smoking accounted for differences up to 10 years in life expectancy. The Alameda County Study [7] discovered three additional lifestyle characteristics that promote longevity: limiting alcohol consumption, sleeping 7 to 8 hours per night, and not snacking (eating between meals).
please stop with your pesonal fantasy, the bible fable of old age is a myth
outhouse
Atheistically
There are many examples of humanity living beyond 200 years in the OT
Im not sure if it is fiction or interpretation errors.
Ive heard a few on the interpretation side or confusion after oral tradition.
Most say its just fiction because ancient hebrews didnt know any better.
whats the reality of it????? we know people didnt live that long ever!
Im not sure if it is fiction or interpretation errors.
Ive heard a few on the interpretation side or confusion after oral tradition.
Most say its just fiction because ancient hebrews didnt know any better.
whats the reality of it????? we know people didnt live that long ever!
Well the Bible isn't the most reliable sources of information and until we actually test to see if this works for humans as well its best to say that we don't know if humans can live to 200 years old.
Aging is still a poorly understood process and there is an awful lot of nonsense out there on what will make you live longer, usually from ignoranct 'nutritionists' (Not a protected title so means nothing) lining their pockets.
I did read that there is a family in Japan which has on average a longer lifespan than most others and they believe it may be due to their mitochondria leaking fewer (or more, I can't remember) free radicals than most humans do. Its in Nick Lanes book on mitochondria or the one on evolutions greatest inventions but I don't have a copy at hand to check the details at the moment.
I never said we "know" humans can live to 200 years old, just that its possible. But at least you are being reasonable and i appreciate that.
outhouse
Atheistically
NO WHERE IS THERE ANYONE LIVING PAST 150 LET ALONE 200. These are facts not a 3000 year old myth
Longevity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Population longevities are increasing as life expectancies around the world grow:[1][2]
The Gerontology Research Group validates current longevity records by modern standards, and maintains a list of supercentenarians; many other unvalidated longevity claims exist. Record-holding individuals include:
Evidence-based studies indicate that longevity is based on two major factors, genetics and lifestyle choices.[3] Twin studies,[4] have estimated that approximately 20-30% of an individual’s lifespan is related to genetics, the rest is due to individual behaviors and environmental factors which can be modified. Study of the regions of the world known as blue zones,[5] where people commonly live active lives past 100 years of age, have shown that longevity is related to a healthy social and family life, not smoking, eating a plant-based diet, frequent consumption of legumes and nuts, and engaging in regular physical activity. In another well-designed cohort study,[6] the combination of a plant based diet, frequent consumption of nuts, regular physical activity, normal BMI, and not smoking accounted for differences up to 10 years in life expectancy. The Alameda County Study [7] discovered three additional lifestyle characteristics that promote longevity: limiting alcohol consumption, sleeping 7 to 8 hours per night, and not snacking (eating between meals).
please stop with your pesonal fantasy, the bible fable of old age is a myth
Longevity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Population longevities are increasing as life expectancies around the world grow:[1][2]
- Spain: 79.08 years in 2002, 81.07 years in 2010
- Australia: 80 years in 2002, 81.72 years in 2010
- Italy: 79.25 years in 2002, 80.33 years in 2010
- France: 79.05 years in 2002, 81.09 years in 2010
- Germany: 77.78 years in 2002, 79.41 years in 2010
- UK: 77.99 years in 2002, 79.92 years in 2010
- USA: 77.4 years in 2002, 78.24 years in 2010
The Gerontology Research Group validates current longevity records by modern standards, and maintains a list of supercentenarians; many other unvalidated longevity claims exist. Record-holding individuals include:
- Jeanne Calment (1875–1997, 122 years, 164 days): the oldest person in history whose age has been verified by modern documentation. This defines the modern human life span, which is set by the oldest documented individual who ever lived.
- Shigechiyo Izumi (1865–1986, 120 years, 237 days, disputed): the second oldest human ever recognized by the Guinness Book of World Records; this is questioned by some scholars, who believe that conflation of dates or names has compromised the authenticity of Izumi's age.
Evidence-based studies indicate that longevity is based on two major factors, genetics and lifestyle choices.[3] Twin studies,[4] have estimated that approximately 20-30% of an individual’s lifespan is related to genetics, the rest is due to individual behaviors and environmental factors which can be modified. Study of the regions of the world known as blue zones,[5] where people commonly live active lives past 100 years of age, have shown that longevity is related to a healthy social and family life, not smoking, eating a plant-based diet, frequent consumption of legumes and nuts, and engaging in regular physical activity. In another well-designed cohort study,[6] the combination of a plant based diet, frequent consumption of nuts, regular physical activity, normal BMI, and not smoking accounted for differences up to 10 years in life expectancy. The Alameda County Study [7] discovered three additional lifestyle characteristics that promote longevity: limiting alcohol consumption, sleeping 7 to 8 hours per night, and not snacking (eating between meals).
please stop with your pesonal fantasy, the bible fable of old age is a myth
Attention: Ninerbuff, Ubjon and anyone else interested. I have started a thread on longevity in humans, so i dont keep upsetting outhouse.
Here is a link to the thread.
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/food-beverage-forum/111277-longevity-diet-etc.html#post2354203
Here is a link to the thread.
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/food-beverage-forum/111277-longevity-diet-etc.html#post2354203
Why do you refuse to acknowledge the point of view I raised?
Adam was a societal body that lived as such for 900+ years.
His Bride Eve was a complimentary societal body that lived a bit longer than Adam did.
People like you and I were like individual living cells of their body. That's how Eve was taken from Adam's side and became bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh.
If you were sincerely interested in understanding the Bible you would take some time and apply some reasoning to this. However, since you are simply driving an agenda I have no expectation that you will. But, I think it is dishonest to continue carrying on as if the correct way to understand the Bible has not been offered to you.
There is no fiction and no error of translation.
There is simply error in your comprehension.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
Wow, a debate that is limited to your interpretation. can't wait to dive in.
outhouse
Atheistically
OK jump on in and give us your take, your arguemnets are always welcome
outhouse
Atheistically
I have acknowledged your point, you stand alone. Your the only one who feels that way and you have nothing to back up your statement.
now if you have something please show me, i have a very open mind.
simply prove it with sources, anyone can guess.
laughable
please provide sources or links
reason and imgination are two different things, i think you should read the definition of both as it seems you have a problem understanding the difference.
I have provided links and sources to back my view which happens to be what the majority of historians and scholars follow.
you have provided imagination
this is your opinion, no problem
You sweep it under the rug.
I have plenty to back up my views. But, I'm not going to spoon feed it to you because I doubt you would be willing to live true to it.
I have shared all I care to share on it. If you really want to know more then read all of my posts on this forum and start to read the Bible in the way that I describe that I read it and see why I come to the conclusions I do about certain passages. If you were sincere and have an open mind and a desire to understand the Bible, then you would put forth this effort on your own.
Paul read scripture in this manner. Why can't I?
Romans 12
4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
Since you laugh, I say no more.
All reasoning is within a given context.
I apply reasoning inside of the context of holy writ. I first seek to understand it based upon its own terms before I make any final conclusions about it. When I come to understand how to penetrate all of its layers of metaphor and can decipher it in plain and practical terms, then I am judging it based upon what it actually is.
In your case, you do not make any sincere or serious investigation to allow the Bible to define itself based upon its own terms and literary constructs, which includes layers of metaphor. Instead, you imagine to yourself that you understand all that there is to understand about it and mock and deride it based upon your faulty interpretation of it.
As I see it, it is you who stands to learn a lesson or two about imagination and reasoning.
All of which are interesting, but no more interesting than researching about my own ancestors and how I came to be this cobbled up person that I am. What's important to me is that we have the Bible and that by some miraculous process, it is an incredibly cohesive and reliable oracle.
I differ.
What you fail to realize is the way you read it is merely your own opinion. If you want the treasure inside you would do well to start looking for the keys. I'm not just going to hand them over to you. That would spoil the intense ecstasy that comes of making such a discovery on your own.
outhouse
Atheistically
I addressed it head on lol
No you do not post because you cannot, this is a debate prove it
because your not paul
paul had many different views and his weak mind changed 180. what side will you choose this week?
paul is NT which has nothing to do with the imagination of the OT
fine and dandy but it is only YOUR PERSONAL interpretation
I follow historians and scholars, not personal interpretation
it has been proven to be anything but that
laughable
wrong
the way i read it is how the most brilliant minds the world has reads it including historians and scholars
the bible is mostly ancient hebrew fiction
and the OT was never ment to be read literally, [thats how you read fiction]
You don't get it. I choose not to prove anything.
If you want to presume my unwillingness absolutely means I cannot back it up then you are deliberatey creating a blind spot for yourself. I have given you many good hints and helps that I did not have the benefit of and I could still work it all out.
Do you doubt your ability to figure it out on your own?
You simply need to do your own investigation. If you will be benefitted by this knowledge and you are ready for it, it will come to you as you sincerely seek it. I would do you a great disservice to impose it upon you under your current frame of mind.