Men's Issues/Masculism DIR

[Aquitaine]

Only completed the first page, quite frankly I found a fair amount of the questions bogus. But hey, who care - I don't need an anonymous internet survey to label me.

 

[MoonWater]

One problem is that if a non-feminist wants to discuss it, it cannot be done in the Feminism Only forum.
It's blue, you know....no outsiders may even ask questions, let alone participate in the discussion.

Edit: Purple....not blue.
Hard to remember this color scheme.
I'd prefer:
Red - Same as purple, ie, no outsiders at all
Yellow - Same as blue
Green - Same as green

you can always make an equivalent thread outside the DIR to discuss it in.

 

[Draka]

I voted "yes", just to put my two cents it. There are male issues to be dealt with and it does only seem fair to have a subforum to discuss them as there is one now for the women.

 

[Kerr]

This woman is not a feminist.

She is and she is one of the founders of a feminist political party as well. In many questions she is quite good. But she has just taken it a bit too far at times.

 

[InformedIgnorance]

Liberal feminist 43
Women of Color 39
Socialist feminist 33
Cultural feminist 26
Radical feminist 24
Conservative 12

I always hate these questionnaires... especially when they use adjectives that significantly alter the question as I perceive it x.x such as when they use the term 'best' even though I think it is really good because I can think of something better, it isn't the 'best' I have to disagree. BAH. stupid questionnaires. And how the hell would I know if the content and presentation in a rape counselling session is racially inclusive? what about the ones that made an attempt to ask about impacts on women/women of colour specifically without making any reference to whether or not it was an absolute impact or an impact relative to men/other women? seriously...

 

[Breathe]

Well... according to that quiz, I'm most certainly not welcome in the Feminist area. And yet, I do consider myself to support the tenants of feminism, equality of men and women.

I disagreed with most of the questions because they seemed to use biased language ("beauty means feminine. Agree? "No." NOT A FEMINIST!"), to blame men, and to ask if I support changing laws or society to 'make it fairer'. Some of them, like rape is a power tool of men to subdue women, I disagreed with, because rape works each way.

People **** blood at the idea of letting religion get involved in politics, but these look little more than a cult of misandry primarily with an anti-Caucasian focus.

Conservative 28
Liberal feminist 23
Socialist feminist 14
Women of Color 14
Radical feminist 13
Cultural feminist 10




Those questions, though, I don't think many of them were 'feminism'. If that was feminism, I'm most certainly not one.

 

[Aquitaine]

Well... according to that quiz, I'm most certainly not welcome in the Feminist area. And yet, I do consider myself to support the tenants of feminism, equality of men and women.

I disagreed with most of the questions because they seemed to use biased language ("beauty means feminine. Agree? "No." NOT A FEMINIST!"), to blame men, and to ask if I support changing laws or society to 'make it fairer'. Some of them, like rape is a power tool of men to subdue women, I disagreed with, because rape works each way.

People **** blood at the idea of letting religion get involved in politics, but these look little more than a cult of misandry primarily with an anti-Caucasian focus.

Conservative 28
Liberal feminist 23
Socialist feminist 14
Women of Color 14
Radical feminist 13
Cultural feminist 10




Those questions, though, I don't think many of them were 'feminism'. If that was feminism, I'm most certainly not one.

I gotta admit I too found a lot of those questions rather..... daft. I could only finish the first page. I cannot stand questionnaires like that, especially when it's in relation to complex issues.

 

[InformedIgnorance]

Actually the tool question to me read like a question where they were attempting to ask if you felt it was the place of women to be submissive etc; so i think you answered the 'right' way (feminist way) by saying no. Up until i noticed the emphasis on it being the 'place' of women I was going to strongly agree, it can be a powerful tool (tool implies intention, not always the case but meh) which can have the listed effects on victims (male or female), yet the use of the term place seemed to indicate that they were attempting to discern if I thought that was the place of women (since women were the only ones mentioned) so I had to strongly disagree.

Language in the testing was very peculiar... also I would like to see how it might apply to people in a different cultural context, particularly a south american / african / asian context because it seems to be remarkably culturally biased for a test looking to gauge one's position on discrimination and affirmation.

 

[Breathe]

I gotta admit I too found a lot of those questions rather..... daft. I could only finish the first page. I cannot stand questionnaires like that, especially when it's in relation to complex issues.

I only filled it out for the hell of it.

Apparently I'm conservative because I don't think ideologies should influence politics and, when possible, shouldn't influence business.

Well. You learn something new every day.

 

[InformedIgnorance]

No you don't - you're conservative.

Still, its better than many of the similar tests I have taken.

 

[Rakhel]

There were two that got me.:
Men use abortion laws and reproductive technology to control women's lives.
and
Romantic love brainwashes women and forms the basis of their subordination.

This one didn't make any sense either, at least to me it didn't:
Bringing more women into male-dominated professions would make the professions less cutthroat and competitive.

 

[ignition]

There were two that got me.:
Men use abortion laws and reproductive technology to control women's lives.
and
Romantic love brainwashes women and forms the basis of their subordination.

This one didn't make any sense either, at least to me it didn't:
Bringing more women into male-dominated professions would make the professions less cutthroat and competitive.

Just look how stupid those statements are. I think the people that got a high "feminist" score just gave the answers that they thought would churn out that label, what a useless piece of rubbish that questionnaire is.

 

[InformedIgnorance]

The last one there made sense to me... its just a stupid proposition; it would depend on the profession and the women involved; for all we know they could make it more cutthroat.

Instead I believe it is an attempt to determine whether or not you hold a stereotype of women which would suggest that they are less cutthroat or competitive; yet someone who DOES hold such a view is unlikely to believe that they could be so influential as to affect such a change to the operation of the profession.

 

[Breathe]

*edit because I'm bad at inferring sarcasm*

There were two that got me.:
Men use abortion laws and reproductive technology to control women's lives.
and
Romantic love brainwashes women and forms the basis of their subordination.

This one didn't make any sense either, at least to me it didn't:
Bringing more women into male-dominated professions would make the professions less cutthroat and competitive.

Yeah, these questions got me, too. I had to disagree with them.

So many questions, so much bias... I was planning on going through ones I had issue with, but that was most of them.

 

[InformedIgnorance]

Was my sarcasm not apparent? My apologies if that is the case - I was attempting to point to your comment that you were learning new ideas to juxtapose that with ideological conservatism to suggest that perhaps it was inaccurate (while at the same time perhaps being a somewhat unintended barb thrown at conservatives implying they didn't learn new things).

 

[ignition]

Was my sarcasm not apparent? My apologies if that is the case

Not your fault, it's always difficult to understand aussies.

 

[Breathe]

Was my sarcasm not apparent? My apologies if that is the case - I was attempting to point to your comment that you were learning new ideas to juxtapose that with ideological conservatism to suggest that perhaps it was inaccurate (while at the same time perhaps being a somewhat unintended barb thrown at conservatives implying they didn't learn new things).

Ah sorry. It's hard to infer tone online. Pretty much Poe's law.

 

[Rakhel]

The last one there made sense to me... its just a stupid proposition; it would depend on the profession and the women involved; for all we know they could make it more cutthroat.

Instead I believe it is an attempt to determine whether or not you hold a stereotype of women which would suggest that they are less cutthroat or competitive; yet someone who DOES hold such a view is unlikely to believe that they could be so influential as to affect such a change to the operation of the profession.

When I took the diesel mechanics class(oh so long ago) I was the only woman in the class. Even when we joined with the automotive for on class, I was it.
I don't know if it made the men less competitive, they came off as "she's just another mechanic." But I felt I had to prove I belonged there. It made me more competitive.

 

[Riverwolf]

My score:
Conservative 33
Women of color 31
Cultural Feminist 29
Liberal feminist 28
Social feminist 24
Radical feminist 21

I think it's BS. The questions were absolutely outrageous, very very anti-capitalist for starters. And then you had a host of other stupid questions which have nothing to do with feminism at all.

Here we agree. I looked at the starting page and saw that it described feminism as a "political movement." Instant red flag.

 

[Revoltingest]

Just look how stupid those statements are. I think the people that got a high "feminist" score just gave the answers that they thought would churn out that label, what a useless piece of rubbish that questionnaire is.

I don't know what constitutes a "high score", but I answered as accurately as I could, without intending to get either a high or low score.