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Mentally ill Afghani woman brutally beaten and burnt to death for allegedly burning Qur'an.

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
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The story is unbelievable, why she needs to burn the quran and not a school book.
There are many crimes happening every day, i wonder why a crime happening in one Islamic country becomes a big issue.

A father has been found guilty of killing his 15-week-old daughter while he was orally raping her.

Read more: Father killed 15-week-old daughter during oral rape | Daily Mail Online
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Maybe because the crime is barbaric and despicable?
The reaction to the awful story you brought up was the same. People were appalled at such an inhuman act and heinous evil. Many called for castration and some even suggested the death penalty for the sick monster who did that to the poor little girl. The existence of evil acts don't suddenly make other evil acts suddenly okay or just something that happens though.
 

Mohammad Nur Syamsu

Well-Known Member
It shows the deficiency in multiculturalism. The allied forces should have regarded Afghanistan and Iraq as hostile countries, with hostile populations, instead of imagining they were liberating the countries.

They should have gotten rid of all laws, and slapped the exactsame laws unto Afghanistan as for Iraq, one sIze fits all. Then they should have militarily drilled the population in democracy with elections on local regional and national level every month. And then within 1 year they should have left again, threatening to come back and do the same thing all over again if the countries turn hostile again.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
The story is unbelievable, why she needs to burn the quran and not a school book.
That's the part you have a problem with?! :mad:

Not that it matters, but it's not known if she really burnt a Qur'an or not. Someone saw her burning something and assumed that she was burning a Qur'an and started yelling, which caused a crowd of subhumans to assemble and massacre this poor lady.

Why is a book more important than an innocent human life? You can print many more Qur'ans, so why should we give a damn about that? A human being, on the other hand, is not replaceable or repeatable. I like Marilyn Manson as an artist, and he routinely burns and rips up Bibles onstage. No one's killing or assaulting him over it, and that's how it should be.
There are many crimes happening every day, i wonder why a crime happening in one Islamic country becomes a big issue.
Because it's a daily thing in Islamic societies.

A father has been found guilty of killing his 15-week-old daughter while he was orally raping her.

Read more: Father killed 15-week-old daughter during oral rape | Daily Mail Online
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

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That man deserves to be executed, if he's guilty. Don't try to change the subject. That's just one lone sicko. What I'm talking about is an entire mentality based on an ideology which is killing and making life hell for who knows how many people every day.
 
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Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
It shows the deficiency in multiculturalism. The allied forces should have regarded Afghanistan and Iraq as hostile countries, with hostile populations, instead of imagining they were liberating the countries.

They should have gotten rid of all laws, and slapped the exactsame laws unto Afghanistan as for Iraq, one sIze fits all. Then they should have militarily drilled the population in democracy with elections on local regional and national level every month. And then within 1 year they should have left again, threatening to come back and do the same thing all over again if the countries turn hostile again.
Maybe you have a point. These things need to be ideologically beaten out of them if there's going to be any hope of change.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Maybe because the crime is barbaric and despicable?
The reaction to the awful story you brought up was the same. People were appalled at such an inhuman act and heinous evil. Many called for castration and some even suggested the death penalty for the sick monster who did that to the poor little girl. The existence of evil acts don't suddenly make other evil acts suddenly okay or just something that happens though.

And maybe to say, evil lives only where muslims exist.

Islam never said kill those who burn or tear the quran, evil exists everywhere, so whatever silly and dishonest excuses then the truth remains that the purpose of this story is just to attack Islam itself and not the disgusting story as comparing the story of a father killing his baby child for his evil sexual drive is more disgusting than any story that i can even imagine, but lets search and bring for discussion any evil acts that Muslims may do and never mind about the evil that happening everywhere else.
 

NoX

Active Member
That's the part you have a problem with?! :mad:

Not that it matters, but it's not known if she really burnt a Qur'an or not. Someone saw her burning something and assumed that she was burning a Qur'an and started yelling, which caused a crowd of subhumans to assemble and massacre this poor lady.

Why is a book more important than an innocent human life? You can print many more Qur'ans, so why should we give a damn about that? A human being, on the other hand, is not replaceable or repeatable. I like Marilyn Manson as an artist, and he routinely burns and rips up Bibles onstage. No one's killing or assaulting him over it, and that's how it should be.



Afghanistan is a war zone and people are dozens of times more prone to commit crimes than others. Its always easy to judge people while sitting behind your computer in your warm house ;) Just a few week ago someones attacked a mosque in the same city and murdered 5. This is just what we hear from media, I'm sure there happens much more things. Also as I said before, I dont believe a mentaly ill person comes in front of a mosque and burns quran without rhyme or reason. Someones are doing these things deliberately by using innocent/ignorant persons. Just reminds me the two British soldiers had been captured by Iraqi forces a few years ago while they back from a bomb attack in Iraq.


Because it's a daily thing in Islamic societies.

Stop trolling if you want us to take you seriously :)
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
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The title correction: Mentally ill woman been killed by mentally ills.


Also I never believed and will never believe that these kind of events occurs spontaneously. Why would someone comes in front of a Mosque and burns a Quran. Thought provoking.

At least these idiots murdered one person, still better than deliberately shooting at schools by drones and murdering children on the pretext of fight against Taliban ;)

And maybe to say, evil lives only where muslims exist.

Islam never said kill those who burn or tear the quran, evil exists everywhere, so whatever silly and dishonest excuses then the truth remains that the purpose of this story is just to attack Islam itself and not the disgusting story as comparing the story of a father killing his baby child for his evil sexual drive is more disgusting than any story that i can even imagine, but lets search and bring for discussion any evil acts that Muslims may do and never mind about the evil that happening everywhere else.

So far in most Muslim members' posts here, there has only been evasion, diversion, and refusal to acknowledge the extremism of those fundamentalists who committed the crime in question. Not a single sentence condemning their actions has been posted by those same members. Apparently even supposedly moderate Muslims here care more about pointing out the faults of the "West" than acknowledging and condemning the extremism in their own communities.

Once again: Cue Sam Harris, please.
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
This happened on Thursday.

"KABUL, Afghanistan — The mentally ill woman, her face covered in blood, rose to her feet and looked out across the mob. She pleaded. But these men meant to kill her.

A kick sent her tumbling backward. In the courtyard of one of Kabul’s most famous shrines, men hurled stones at her and struck her with wooden planks.

When she was dead, they tied her body to a car and drove to the Kabul River. On the garbage-strewn bank, they burned her corpse.

Her name was Farkhunda, and, for most of her 27 years, her parents had searched for help in treating the mental illness that had plagued her since girlhood.

None of that mattered to the mob. To them, she stood accused of a vile and sacrilegious act: burning pages from the Quran.

Kabul has been riveted since her death Thursday afternoon. Cellphone videos of the killing have been circulating widely, appalling some but drawing approval from others.

“If I had been there, I would have burned her, too,” said a man who on Friday had come to see the place along the riverbank where Farkhunda’s body was burned the day before.

But a hatmaker who had watched the mob from his shop condemned the attack as inhuman.

“What they did is brutal and completely against Islam,” said the hatmaker, Sayed Habib Saadat. What left him feeling especially worried, he added, was how many of the attackers were teenagers or young men in their 20s.

The divergent responses trace Afghanistan’s struggle between its commitment to conservative Islam and the Western notions of individual rights and due process that have been slow to take hold over the past decade.

On Friday, as the police arrested nine men believed to have been part of the mob, an official in the Ministry of Religious Affairs said the attack on Farkhunda might have been justified if she actually did what she was accused of."

Rest of article here: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/21/w...hing-in-afghanistan-but-some-support-too.html

Human Rights Watch is demanding an investigation: Afghanistan: Probe Police Response to Woman’s Killing | Human Rights Watch

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As a show of protest and solidarity with the young lady who had her life so horrifically ended, an Afghani ex-Muslim burned a Qur'an:

If you feel that a book is worth more than a human life, then you are not worshiping God. You're just evil. As a Christian, you could destroy all the Bibles you want or say whatever nasty things about Jesus you want and make offensive images, but I'll never want to hurt you because of it. God doesn't need us to defend Him. How devilish does your idea of religion have to be in order to think that the Creator and Ruler of the universe wants you to act in such ways?! :eek::mad:

A human atrocity. This woman was targeted by a more powerful mob led by a mentality that she deserved to die in tortuous and barbaric means, slowly and painfully, for such arbitrary measures. She was the victim of severe brutality. She did not deserve it. She did not ask for it.

This is one result of mass-scale dehumanization. It's atrocious and must be called out for what it is. The same tribal mentality that falsely equivocates challenges to cultural tradition with challenges to the very physical lives of the people in charge of the status quo. The same tribal mentality that shoots a young girl in the face because she challenged the authority on accessible education.

If the status quo is unable to discredit the challenge, to scapegoat the challenge, to alienate the challenge, typically barbarism chooses to silence the challenge forever in one way or another to maintain the comfortable stratification safely in place.

I weep for her family.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
So far in most Muslim members' posts here, there has only been evasion, diversion, and refusal to acknowledge the extremism of those fundamentalists who committed the crime in question. Not a single sentence condemning their actions has been posted by those same members. Apparently even supposedly moderate Muslims here care more about pointing out the faults of the "West" than acknowledging and condemning the extremism in their own communities.

Once again: Cue Sam Harris, please.
FearGod said it was wrong in post #45.
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
So far in most Muslim members' posts here, there has only been evasion, diversion, and refusal to acknowledge the extremism of those fundamentalists who committed the crime in question. Not a single sentence condemning their actions has been posted by those same members. Apparently even supposedly moderate Muslims here care more about pointing out the faults of the "West" than acknowledging and condemning the extremism in their own communities.

Once again: Cue Sam Harris, please.

Ever notice that when a horrific crime occurs that looks as if a group mentality is inhumane....the charge mental illness is brought up to dismiss the crime as such an outlier that there is absolutely no connection whatsoever? "Dehumanization? OF COURSE NOT. This has nothing to do with something we think is perfection and untouchable. Dehumanization only occurs.....oh look, a butterfly! Nothing to see here, folks. Move along..."
 

Baladas

An Págánach
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Maybe because the crime is barbaric and despicable?
The reaction to the awful story you brought up was the same. People were appalled at such an inhuman act and heinous evil. Many called for castration and some even suggested the death penalty for the sick monster who did that to the poor little girl. The existence of evil acts don't suddenly make other evil acts suddenly okay or just something that happens though.

Upon further reflection, I opt for castration, and a forehead tattoo stating his crime. Then we let nature take it's course in prison.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Afghanistan is a war zone and people are dozens of times more prone to commit crimes than others. Its always easy to judge people while sitting behind your computer in your warm house ;) Just a few week ago someones attacked a mosque in the same city and murdered 5. This is just what we hear from media, I'm sure there happens much more things. Also as I said before, I dont believe a mentaly ill person comes in front of a mosque and burns quran without rhyme or reason. Someones are doing these things deliberately by using innocent/ignorant persons. Just reminds me the two British soldiers had been captured by Iraqi forces a few years ago while they back from a bomb attack in Iraq.




Stop trolling if you want us to take you seriously :)
Lol, a troll telling someone to stop trolling is the height of irony. :rolleyes:
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
It shows the deficiency in multiculturalism. The allied forces should have regarded Afghanistan and Iraq as hostile countries, with hostile populations, instead of imagining they were liberating the countries.

They should have gotten rid of all laws, and slapped the exactsame laws unto Afghanistan as for Iraq, one sIze fits all. Then they should have militarily drilled the population in democracy with elections on local regional and national level every month. And then within 1 year they should have left again, threatening to come back and do the same thing all over again if the countries turn hostile again.
Denazification for a new era. I can get behind this.

Now excuse me while I go drink a cocktail of bleach & drano for having agreed with you.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
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Premium Member
And maybe to say, evil lives only where muslims exist.

Islam never said kill those who burn or tear the quran, evil exists everywhere, so whatever silly and dishonest excuses then the truth remains that the purpose of this story is just to attack Islam itself and not the disgusting story as comparing the story of a father killing his baby child for his evil sexual drive is more disgusting than any story that i can even imagine, but lets search and bring for discussion any evil acts that Muslims may do and never mind about the evil that happening everywhere else.

No one attacked Islam. People said that the interpretation these barbaric ******** who call themselves Muslims had is directly responsible for a brutal crime against basic human rights. And that's based on what the perpetrators themselves said. No one put words in their mouths. No one forced them to commit a brutal act and then use Islam or the Qaran as justification. They're the ones who did that. So the discussion goes by the actions.
The cause was that the young lady in question allegedly burnt a Quran. Then she was killed specifically because of that. As many of the sick cowards in the crowd attested to. The sick freak who raped a baby didn't bring up religious conviction or blamed any holy source for his evil. So religion was left out of his particular evil. If he quoted the bible as justification then you'd be sure that Christianity would be integral to the discussion surrounding his perverse actions. It would most likely be posted by some disgusted RF user somewhere in the discussion boards. That's not attacking Christianity though. That's bringing up food for thought and asking people's opinions on the whole thing.
Same principle with this case because that's what specifically motivated the crime. I don't care if these sickos blamed their interpretation of Hinduism (even though it conflicts with several tenants of Hindu philosophy) I would understand why Hinduism would be very relavent to the discussion surrounding their sick acts. So why are you all up in arms that Islam(which again these evil people themselves used as justification) is integral to the discussion surrounding their heinous acts? They're the ones who brought it up in the first place not us.

Now the purpose of this website is to discuss various religions, yes? So why so shocked when a religiously motivated crime is discussed here? If you wish to gauge the disgusted responses people will no doubt have on this site regarding that poor innocent infant, then by all means post it in a discussion and watch as people call the prick every insult they can think of.
 
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lewisnotmiller

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Premium Member
Afghanistan is a war zone and people are dozens of times more prone to commit crimes than others. Its always easy to judge people while sitting behind your computer in your warm house ;) Just a few week ago someones attacked a mosque in the same city and murdered 5. This is just what we hear from media, I'm sure there happens much more things.

I think this makes sense. I've lived in a very violent region at one time, and what is 'normal' there was certainly not normal back home (for me). Take the exact same person and drop them into each of those environments long enough and it definitely impacts, regardless of the quality of the person, in my opinion.

Also as I said before, I dont believe a mentaly ill person comes in front of a mosque and burns quran without rhyme or reason. Someones are doing these things deliberately by using innocent/ignorant persons.


I disagree. I mean, sure, it's possible, but there really doesn't need to be a conspiracy involved here.
My wife works in forensic psychology. A large proportion of delusional behaviour fixates on religion. She has worked with a dozen people who believed they were Jesus. Over here, a higher proportion of the delusions are Christian based (loosely) since it's the predominant religion. It makes perfect sense that there would be mentally ill people in Muslim countries fixating on Islam. Assuming she was having a psychotic episode, it really doesn't suggest much about the religion at all.

Just reminds me the two British soldiers had been captured by Iraqi forces a few years ago while they back from a bomb attack in Iraq.

Maybe. I'm not sure why you feel the need to offer up a conspiracy theory in response to something like this. All it does is serve to undermine you own arguments, some of which appear perfectly valid and able to stand up without offering a conspiracy theory as 'support'.
 

NoX

Active Member
It makes perfect sense that there would be mentally ill people in Muslim countries fixating on Islam. Assuming she was having a psychotic episode, it really doesn't suggest much about the religion at all.


Maybe. I'm not sure why you feel the need to offer up a conspiracy theory in response to something like this. All it does is serve to undermine you own arguments, some of which appear perfectly valid and able to stand up without offering a conspiracy theory as 'support'.


The problem is you accept everyhing as "fact" said by media. You choose to believe your own theories and I choose to believe my own. You want to believe "religion is responsible for crimes", I want to believe "its not". The brother of murdered woman said that she was not mentally ill and their father fabricated such a story to prevent the people's anger toward the family. The brother also said that there is no evidence that she burned Quran. We will trust whom ? Media ? or the brother ? Which one is conspiracy ?
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
No one attacked Islam. People said that the interpretation these barbaric ******** who call themselves Muslims had is directly responsible for a brutal crime against basic human rights. And that's based on what the perpetrators themselves said. No one put words in their mouths. No one forced them to commit a brutal act and then use Islam or the Qaran as justification. They're the ones who did that. So the discussion goes by the actions.
The cause was that the young lady in question allegedly burnt a Quran. Then she was killed specifically because of that. As many of the sick cowards in the crowd attested to. The sick freak who raped a baby didn't bring up religious conviction or blamed any holy source for his evil. So religion was left out of his particular evil. If he quoted the bible as justification then you'd be sure that Christianity would be integral to the discussion surrounding his perverse actions. It would most likely be posted by some disgusted RF user somewhere in the discussion boards. That's not attacking Christianity though. That's bringing up food for thought and asking people's opinions on the whole thing.
Same principle with this case because that's what specifically motivated the crime. I don't care if these sickos blamed their interpretation of Hinduism (even though it conflicts with several tenants of Hindu philosophy) I would understand why Hinduism would be very relavent to the discussion surrounding their sick acts. So why are you all up in arms that Islam(which again these evil people themselves used as justification) is integral to the discussion surrounding their heinous acts? They're the ones who brought it up in the first place not us.

Now the purpose of this website is to discuss various religions, yes? So why so shocked when a religiously motivated crime is discussed here? If you wish to gauge the disgusted responses people will no doubt have on this site regarding that poor innocent infant, then by all means post it in a discussion and watch as people call the prick every insult they can think of.

A crime is a crime and killing a person without any judgement isn't allowed by any religion.

Evil exists in every bad soul and they use whatever reason to do awful and disgusting things, i may classify them as hypocrites and atheists, the hypocrites are those evils who use religion as a tool for their inner evil soul and they're more worse than the atheist who may have inner evil soul but not claiming belonging to any religion.

Jesus warned the believers about the hypocrites who are in reality are evil atheists claiming to be religious figures whereas they're barbarians and monsters. but that doesn't mean that all atheists are evil ones but the hypocrites are.

Matthew 22:18
But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, “You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me?

Matthew 23:15
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.

Matthew 23:23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

Matthew 23:25
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.

Matthew 23:27
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean.

Mark 7:6
He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.

Luke 13:15
The Lord answered him, “You hypocrites! Doesn’t each of you on the Sabbath untie your ox or donkey from the stall and lead it out to give it water?
 
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