Mentally ill Afghani woman brutally beaten and burnt to death for allegedly burning Qur'an.

[lewisnotmiller]

It's not better than the comments saying "kill all the muslims" that we can see under almost all the videos concerning Islam.
I've even see things like "if a see a muslim next to my house i kill him, do the same" Does it give a valuable information too ?
I think commentaries on youtube are just stupids most of time. I don't take seriously those who call for hatred and killings of me or my fellow muslims ...
What's more scary ? Someone who says his Book is precious or someone who calls clearly for killing people ?

What is more stupid is when i see those comments unders pershmerga's videos as if permerghas weren't muslims themselves ...

Of course those kind of stupids comments are against many other groups not only muslims.

I can only speak for myself, Pastek, but I clearly and unequivocally denounce ANYONE who says 'kill all muslims' or anything vaguely similar.
Regardless of that, were I born in many countries, I'd be considered an apostate. So one of the reasons some of us are a little touchy on this is that;

1) We support a secular society, where people can believe as they will, so long as it doesn't impinge on the rights of others
2) We would NOT be afforded the same considerations in plenty of other countries
3) People on these boards commonly defend such a lack of consideration

Next time you see me calling for any sort of punishment for all Muslims, or anything even vaguely resembling it, please feel free to denounce me.

 

[beenie]

This story is a tragedy, and speaks volumes about the lack of true education in places like Afghanistan. There are far too many people who are unemployed and literally have nothing better to do than to partake in a mob-action type massacre. This poor woman, mentally ill or not, was a victim of circumstance and flawed religious and social education.

Truly sad, and unfortunately, irreversible.

 

[leibowde84]

how about making people thinking that their ideas are above everyone and they should kill others ?

That would be just as evil, I'd say. Although, I guess it might be worse, as it would be bringing someone else into the "trap."

 

[leibowde84]

It's not better than the comments saying "kill all the muslims" that we can see under almost all the videos concerning Islam.
I've even see things like "if a see a muslim next to my house i kill him, do the same" Does it give a valuable information too ?
I think commentaries on youtube are just stupids most of time. I don't take seriously those who call for hatred and killings of me or my fellow muslims ...
What's more scary ? Someone who says his Book is precious or someone who calls clearly for killing people ?

What is more stupid is when i see those comments unders pershmerga's videos as if permerghas weren't muslims themselves ...

Of course those kind of stupids comments are against many other groups not only muslims.

I'm not sure why you brought those comments up. I certainly am not in favor of any Muslims being murdered. I would never suggest anything of the sort. I think those comments that you mentioned are disgusting and inhuman. They show such a supreme foundation of ignorance that it is almost inexplicable.

I was merely pointing out that anyone who holds the value of a book over the lives of other people are morally flawed. The only way to fix such problems is through discussion. The only way to discuss these things is if they are brought out into the open. Wouldn't you agree?

 

[leibowde84]

how about making people thinking that their ideas are above everyone and they should kill others ?

What do you mean by this exactly, though? Are you talking about groups like ISIS when they lure people in and convince them to take part in their evil deeds? Or, am I confused?

 

[leibowde84]

Perhaps...there is definitely a need for education. Many in the States are still ignorant of mental illness.

Aparently they are saying now that she was not mentally ill. That the whole thing was just a local Imam trying to save face, accusing her of burning the Quran in an attempt to get her killed.

But, that highlights the problem. Anyone can claim that this happened. Thus, it is unacceptable that the burning of a Holy Book causes so much death and destruction. And, this time the book wasn't even really damaged. As a global society, we cannot accept when people place the value of a book (A Quran, not THE Quaran) above that of their fellow human beings.

 

[leibowde84]

The story is unbelievable, why she needs to burn the quran and not a school book.
There are many crimes happening every day, i wonder why a crime happening in one Islamic country becomes a big issue.

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Now they are saying that the woman did not burn the Quran. A local Imam merely lied about it to get her killed, because she was testifying against him to get him to lose his job. Either way, though, it is DISGUSTING to even mention that she could have "burned another book." She burned a paper copy of A Quran ... not THE Quran. This kind of upset over the destruction of a physical book is deplorable. Even more so, you seem to want to justify this murderous, barbaric groups motives.

If anyone thinks that burning a copy of the Quran should be punished by any kind of violence, they are severely disturbed mentally. And, the fact that an entire group would feel the same way, that this was justifiable, is all the more terrifying. More apparent evil I have never seen.

And, in regards to your murdered baby story (which is disgusting and heartwrenching as well) OMG ... you constantly do this. While your cited example is disgusting as well, it is a case of one man's psycopathy/sociopathy leading to torture and murder. It has nothing to do with religion, so it is not an appropriate topic for this debate forum. Further, it is one man. What makes the Quran buring story so disturbing is that so many adults actually felt justified in torchering and murdering a defenseless woman in the street, all because they THOUGHT she burned a book.

Dispicable.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Now they are saying that the woman did not burn the Quran. A local Imam merely lied about it to get her killed, because she was testifying against him to get him to lose his job. Either way, though, it is DISGUSTING to even mention that she could have "burned another book." She burned a paper copy of A Quran ... not THE Quran. This kind of upset over the destruction of a physical book is deplorable. Even more so, you seem to want to justify this murderous, barbaric groups motives.

If anyone thinks that burning a copy of the Quran should be punished by any kind of violence, they are severely disturbed mentally. And, the fact that an entire group would feel the same way, that this was justifiable, is all the more terrifying. More apparent evil I have never seen.

And, in regards to your murdered baby story (which is disgusting and heartwrenching as well) OMG ... you constantly do this. While your cited example is disgusting as well, it is a case of one man's psycopathy/sociopathy leading to torture and murder. It has nothing to do with religion, so it is not an appropriate topic for this debate forum. Further, it is one man. What makes the Quran buring story so disturbing is that so many adults actually felt justified in torchering and murdering a defenseless woman in the street, all because they THOUGHT she burned a book.

Dispicable.

It's a derailment tactic. Point to an episode of brutality. If someone says, "Well, your community of folks do it too, and look how much worse it is," the topic then is attempted to be shifted off the crowd of people who might feel somewhat of a kinship with the tormentors.

It happens in many many discussions and debates concerning violence and brutality. Discredit the person making the point, discredit or dehumanize the target of violence, or derail the topic in attempts to equivocate brutality as if everybody does it (so why should it matter to us?). In these discussions, the attempts are to say that nobody really commits these crimes....they're just monsters who aren't really real and aren't connected to us moral people who would never do such a thing. Amirite?

 

[leibowde84]

It's a derailment tactic. Point to an episode of brutality. If someone says, "Well, your community of folks do it too, and look how much worse it is," the topic then is attempted to be shifted off the crowd of people who might feel somewhat of a kinship with the tormentors.

It happens in many many discussions and debates concerning violence and brutality. Discredit the person making the point, discredit or dehumanize the target of violence, or derail the topic in attempts to equivocate brutality as if everybody does it (so why should it matter to us?). In these discussions, the attempts are to say that nobody really commits these crimes....they're just monsters who aren't really real and aren't connected to us moral people who would never do such a thing. Amirite?

Sure, you are right. I just don't think that it is relevant to this specific set of circumstances. The issue I was trying to point out is that the rout of the issue is this feeling that it is OK to hold the value of a book over the lives of other human beings. It is an aspect of religion in general that must be changed.

 

[FearGod]

Now they are saying that the woman did not burn the Quran. A local Imam merely lied about it to get her killed, because she was testifying against him to get him to lose his job. Either way, though, it is DISGUSTING to even mention that she could have "burned another book." She burned a paper copy of A Quran ... not THE Quran. This kind of upset over the destruction of a physical book is deplorable. Even more so, you seem to want to justify this murderous, barbaric groups motives.

If anyone thinks that burning a copy of the Quran should be punished by any kind of violence, they are severely disturbed mentally. And, the fact that an entire group would feel the same way, that this was justifiable, is all the more terrifying. More apparent evil I have never seen.

And, in regards to your murdered baby story (which is disgusting and heartwrenching as well) OMG ... you constantly do this. While your cited example is disgusting as well, it is a case of one man's psycopathy/sociopathy leading to torture and murder. It has nothing to do with religion, so it is not an appropriate topic for this debate forum. Further, it is one man. What makes the Quran buring story so disturbing is that so many adults actually felt justified in torchering and murdering a defenseless woman in the street, all because they THOUGHT she burned a book.

Dispicable.

So the Imam found to be a lair and then he and the others are hypocrites which is even more worse than atheism.

The quran permits killing only the murderers, but killing someone for tearing papers regardless of what it contains is painful and disgusting.

 

[leibowde84]

So the Imam found to be a lair and then he and the others are hypocrites which is even more worse than atheism.

The quran permits killing only the murderers, but killing someone for tearing papers regardless of what it contains is painful and disgusting.

Just to clarify, you think it is wrong to insult Islam, yet it is perfectly fine to insult Atheism?

"... which is even [sic] worse than atheism." Unless I am mistaken, you are implying that Atheism is "bad."

 

[FearGod]

Just to clarify, you think it is wrong to insult Islam, yet it is perfectly fine to insult Atheism?

"... which is even [sic] worse than atheism." Unless I am mistaken, you are implying that Atheism is "bad."

I'm speaking about evil people in general, they lack religion or using religion for their own evil deeds.
No, not every athiest is evil, nor every muslim, nor every christian ....etc

The solution is that if any person kills another person for religious reasons then it should be regarded as a crime and the world should agree and even punishment should be applied on any country who may refuse to apply such law which can be an international law that all countries should respect.

 

[Pastek]

I can only speak for myself, Pastek, but I clearly and unequivocally denounce ANYONE who says 'kill all muslims' or anything vaguely similar.

I know

I'm not sure why you brought those comments up. I certainly am not in favor of any Muslims being murdered. I would never suggest anything of the sort. I think those comments that you mentioned are disgusting and inhuman. They show such a supreme foundation of ignorance that it is almost inexplicable.

I know that nobody here believes something like that. And i'm pretty sure that even people who say so, say it because they are angry or whatever but won't do it.

I was just replying to someone else in the beginning then you said it was interresting to know what's some muslims believe in the youtube comments and i told you in youtube you have many stupid comments and it's not like you said "valuable information". Just my opinion about stupidity/hatred from many people whatever their religion/ethnicity is on the internet sometime.

I was merely pointing out that anyone who holds the value of a book over the lives of other people are morally flawed. The only way to fix such problems is through discussion. The only way to discuss these things is if they are brought out into the open. Wouldn't you agree?

What we need to do is stopping burning other people's Book . Demonstrating, putting pression is great. Burning Books means you act like those people you are angry at ("you" is general here, not personnal).
Educating is also important, especially for Aghanistan.
In brief, doing something positive and not pushing away the majority of muslims who of course are against what was done to the woman.

 

[leibowde84]

I know



I know that nobody here believes something like that. And i'm pretty sure that even people who say so, say it because they are angry or whatever but won't do it.

I was just replying to someone else in the beginning then you said it was interresting to know what's some muslims believe in the youtube comments and i told you in youtube you have many stupid comments and it's not like you said "valuable information". Just my opinion about stupidity/hatred from many people whatever their religion/ethnicity is on the internet sometime.



What we need to do is stopping burning other people's Book . Demonstrating, putting pression is great. Burning Books means you act like those people you are angry at ("you" is general here, not personnal).
Educating is also important, especially for Aghanistan.
In brief, doing something positive and not pushing away the majority of muslims who of course are against what was done to the woman.

I know



I know that nobody here believes something like that. And i'm pretty sure that even people who say so, say it because they are angry or whatever but won't do it.

I was just replying to someone else in the beginning then you said it was interresting to know what's some muslims believe in the youtube comments and i told you in youtube you have many stupid comments and it's not like you said "valuable information". Just my opinion about stupidity/hatred from many people whatever their religion/ethnicity is on the internet sometime.



What we need to do is stopping burning other people's Book . Demonstrating, putting pression is great. Burning Books means you act like those people you are angry at ("you" is general here, not personnal).
Educating is also important, especially for Aghanistan.
In brief, doing something positive and not pushing away the majority of muslims who of course are against what was done to the woman.

No one is in favor of burning books here. I wish that no one would ever burn a book again till the end of time, but that is most definitely a pipe dream. There always has and always will be haters trying to get under the skin of religious people. While it is distasteful to do so, anyone is free to criticize/insult any idea or belief. And, no matter how much they offend, no one is permitted to inflict violence as retribution. Now, picking a fight with someone using slurs about that person and speaking directly to that person might be a different story, as insults directed at specific people might be expected to cause a fight (a fair fight, of course ... 1 on 1). But, even that is extremely questionable. Only words are allowed as a reaction to words under the law, no matter who they offend and how. Because of this constant of haters who will try vigilantly to upset the religious, and the fact that it is contrary to the public good to allow violent retribution to non-violent provocation, it is the responsibility of the religious to refrain from overreacting. Because we are all voluntarily living in our home nations, we are obligated to adhere to this principle, no matter how far we are pushed verbally.

In short, it is unreasonable to expect the entire world to change because some Muslims are unable to deal peacefully with those who obviously disrespect their faith. We live in a world where this is a given, and, because of the immense value of free speech, these are the "bad things" that we must accept in order to maintain a free and open dicourse.

There will always be haters trying to cause trouble. It is the responsibility of civilized adults to show maturity and meet words with words. And, never make the incorrect assumption that anyone has the right to be free from being offended. It should be common sense that when one uses violence as retaliation to words, moral blame will always and completely be put on the violent offender.

 

[leibowde84]

I'm speaking about evil people in general, they lack religion or using religion for their own evil deeds.
No, not every athiest is evil, nor every muslim, nor every christian ....etc

The solution is that if any person kills another person for religious reasons then it should be regarded as a crime and the world should agree and even punishment should be applied on any country who may refuse to apply such law which can be an international law that all countries should respect.

Absolutely agreed. That is pretty much already the case, apart from enforcement. Any violence inflicted on someone for religious reasons puts that person into the category of being a "terrorist." I think that is a good first step. Now we just have to find all those who think that violence is justified when done in retaliation of insults to a religion and put them in jail for life.

 

[Baladas]

Aparently they are saying now that she was not mentally ill. That the whole thing was just a local Imam trying to save face, accusing her of burning the Quran in an attempt to get her killed.

But, that highlights the problem. Anyone can claim that this happened. Thus, it is unacceptable that the burning of a Holy Book causes so much death and destruction. And, this time the book wasn't even really damaged. As a global society, we cannot accept when people place the value of a book (A Quran, not THE Quaran) above that of their fellow human beings.

Also, consider that the poor woman's word was worth so much less than a man's who was in a position of power.
No doubt she attempted to defend herself, but was not heard.

It is greatly disturbing that so many in the world would place the value of a paper book over the life of a human being.
And I agree, as a global community, we cannot accept this heinous act. Something must be done.

 

[beenie]

What I find deeply disturbing not only in this horrible tragedy, but so many like this, is that people can be so incredibly brainwashed into thinking this is acceptable, and even desirable. Let's say for argument's sake that she was completely sane AND tore up/burned the Qur'an. The fact that people think the punishment for this act is to be dragged into the street and beaten/stoned to death is incredibly scary to me... especially because they derive this form of punishment from the very holy book they are defending. (Wrongly, but where do they get the idea from??)

It's even more scary that they consider destroying a copy of a holy book a crime, but torturing and killing the "offender" is not a crime, but is punishment?

Who did she harm by destroying the Qur'an? God? Muhammad? I think they can take care of themselves.

Ridiculous.

 

[Abu-Faris]

Afghan Taliban vow to punish those responsible for lynching woman - The Express Tribune - Afghan Taliban vow to punish those responsible for lynching woman - The Express Tribune

 

[Smart_Guy]

This is bad. We already have more than enough of those low lives in Islam.

No one attacked Islam.

I'm afraid the thread is full of passive aggressive against Islam and Muslims

 

[leibowde84]

Also, consider that the poor woman's word was worth so much less than a man's who was in a position of power.
No doubt she attempted to defend herself, but was not heard.

It is greatly disturbing that so many in the world would place the value of a paper book over the life of a human being.
And I agree, as a global community, we cannot accept this heinous act. Something must be done.

Agreed. It is extremely disturbing when even members of this site say things like, "couldn't she have burned another book?" This shouldn't even be a passing thought when an innocent woman is tortured and burned to death. Something isn't right when all anger/disgust/ridicule is not placed directly on those that perpetrated real harm and murder.