Merkel's era is over

[Estro Felino]

It was mentioned in the post: the response to the Eurozone crisis that favoured protecting the Euro (and banks and Germany) over protecting people in countries like Greece, Italy etc. Merkel was hardly a passive observer in the process.

As a solid left-winger surely you can't side with largely futile austerity to protect the wealthy, correct?

Analysis: Merkel's Italian ally at the ECB

Exactly.

 

[exchemist]

There are greedy bankers and there are politicians who are bribed by grredy bankers.
A team.

Sure. The solution to which is the sort of PM you now have in Draghi. I was very interested to note that one of the things he has focused on is the speed of legal processes. This is very shrewd. If people cannot use the law to resolve issues within a reasonable time, they will bypass it and resort to other ways of securing outcomes. Such as bribery, corruption, extortion etc. Making the rule of law something that is trusted and works in a society is the arguably most important single requirement for it to remain cohesive and succeed.

 

[Kooky]

I wonder which female politician the right-wing peanut gallery will latch onto next, now that Merkel is gone...

Will Annalena Baerbock be up to the task of becoming European fascism's new red flag?

 

[Augustus]

Italy problems stem from their own immature political decisions, exhibit A being Berlusconi. Does Draghi think Merkel was responsible for Italy's poor economic performance, glacial legal processes and widespread corruption? I bet he doesn't.

Immature political decisions like joining the Euro, and the folly of attempting to protect what is obviously a doomed cause because of some fanciful ideological yearning.

Which means you get people like Merkel acting in her own nation's interest, but in a manner that harms many in Italy.

Now you can't blame her for using her power to put her country first, but that is exactly the problem of a currency union with limited political integration. German's desire to protect their economy, banking sector and the Euro ran counter to the interests of Italy, Greece, etc. and this is most visible in the times where problems are greatest and countries need the maximum flexibility to act in their own interests.

 

[Kooky]

Which means you get people like Merkel acting in her own nation's interest, but in a manner that harms many in Italy.

You still haven't mentioned what she actually did that allegedly harmed Italy so much that its people yearn for a German left-wing coalition.

 

[Estro Felino]

I am the true Socialist here, because I side with the people.
I certainly do not side with banks.
I sided with Schroeder many years ago.

 

[Kooky]

I am the true Socialist here, because I side with the people.

Sorry, but I'm already a socialist, and there's only one of them allowed per thread.

I certainly do not side with banks.

Instead, you side with fascists bankrolled by organized crime.

 

[Augustus]

Exactly.

Issues like this create the funny ideological dissonances among many in the progressive left.

They are supposed to be in favour of helping the most vulnerable members of society, but they are also supposed be as pro-EU as possible.

Protecting EU institutions and policy elites usually seems to be the winner over protecting the vulnerable of course.

 

[Estro Felino]

Sorry, but I'm already a socialist, and there's only one of them allowed per thread.

You should be happy for Scholz, then.

 

[Estro Felino]

Issues like this create the funny ideological dissonances among many in the progressive left.

They are supposed to be in favour of helping the most vulnerable members of society, but they are also supposed be as pro-EU as possible.

Protecting EU institutions and policy elites usually seems to be the winner over protecting the vulnerable of course.

It deals with a huge contradiction.
Indeed.

 

[Kooky]

You should be happy for Scholz, then.

Scholz is about as far from a socialist as one can conceivably get while still nominally being a member of a social democratic party.
By the way, did you know that he used to be a minister in Merkel's government?

 

[Kooky]

Issues like this create the funny ideological dissonances among many in the progressive left.

They are supposed to be in favour of helping the most vulnerable members of society, but they are also supposed be as pro-EU as possible.

Protecting EU institutions and policy elites usually seems to be the winner over protecting the vulnerable of course.

You still haven't cited which of Merkel's policies have caused factual harm to the Italian population.

Do you literally not know what you're talking about, or can you simply not be bothered with backing up your own claims in a discussion?

 

[Augustus]

Sorry, but I'm already a socialist, and there's only one of them allowed per thread.

A socialist who supports externally mandated austerity in one country to protect the wealthy in other countries and transnational banking elites apparently.

You still haven't mentioned what she actually did that allegedly harmed Italy so much that its people yearn for a German left-wing coalition.

Her role in the empowerment of technocratic governance to implement austerity measures

 

[exchemist]

Immature political decisions like joining the Euro, and the folly of attempting to protect what is obviously a doomed cause because of some fanciful ideological yearning.

Which means you get people like Merkel acting in her own nation's interest, but in a manner that harms many in Italy.

Now you can't blame her for using her power to put her country first, but that is exactly the problem of a currency union with limited political integration. German's desire to protect their economy, banking sector and the Euro ran counter to the interests of Italy, Greece, etc. and this is most visible in the times where problems are greatest and countries need the maximum flexibility to act in their own interests.

Then you are saying none of this is Merkel's fault.

 

[Kooky]

A socialist who supports externally mandated austerity in one country to protect the wealthy in other countries and transnational banking elites apparently.

Nope, try again.

Her role in the empowerment of technocratic governance to implement austerity measures

What political decisions or policies did this entail? Please be as specific as you can.

 

[Estro Felino]

Then you are saying none of this is Merkel's fault.

As for Greece, nobody can deny that Draghi was in on it.
Totally in on it.

 

[ChristineM]

It deals with articles which speak of very negative changes sold as positive ones.

Resilience is a positive thing?
At will employment is a positive thing?
Limited term employment is a positive thing?

No. I dream of a EU where any country even the tiniest one is respected and helped.
We have very good relations with Albania.
Albania can never enter in a very cold merciless EU.
We speak the language of the heart, when it deals with Europe.

In your opinion.

Yes it is a positive thing, try it sometime

Your dream's have nothing to do with it.

There is no European language,

You asked for examples, i gave examples, not my problem that you don't like them

 

[Kooky]

As for Greece, nobody can deny that Draghi was in on it.
Totally in on it.

If Italians are so mad about what happened to Greece, why did the right-wing Italian government under Salvini do absolutely zilch to help the left-wing Syriza government in Greece when it was saddled with the debt the Greek conservative regime had accrued?

If we accept the premise that Italian fascists are true socialists who side with the people, why didn't they support fellow socialists in Greece, during a time when they arguably needed that support the most?

Did Salvini merely pretend to be a fascist but was in fact a vassal of the banking emperor of Europe?

 

[Estro Felino]

Her role in the empowerment of technocratic governance to implement austerity measures

All Italians believe that Merkel worked for the good of her own people (when the Chancellor takes the oath, he says that).

Nevertheless, she also sided with Eurocracy.

 

[Augustus]

Nope, try again.

So if you don't support austerity, why do you object so much to the idea that someone who championed austerity in the Eurozone could be viewed as harmful by those who oppose austerity?

You still haven't cited which of Merkel's policies have caused factual harm to the Italian population.

Do you literally not know what you're talking about, or can you simply not be bothered with backing up your own claims in a discussion?

I've already mentioned it multiple times. If you don't know, just Google it. It isn't exactly a state secret.


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