Merkel's era is over

[Kooky]

Of course, to a fascist, labor unity, labor solidarity and labor rights have to be mutually exclusive, because fascism entails a subjugation of labor under nationalized capital.

 

[England my lionheart]

Angela Merkel has never controlled the borders of any European state, except Germany.

Which border do you think they crossed?.

 

[Kooky]

Which border do you think they crossed?.

If by "they" you mean refugees from Syria, in order to arrive in the UK they would have to cross the border to Turkey, Greece, Serbia, Hungary, Austria, Germany, and either France, Belgium or the Netherlands first.

So what does this again have to do with Angela Merkel?

 

[England my lionheart]

If by "they" you mean refugees from Syria, in order to arrive in the UK they would have to cross the border to Turkey, Greece, Serbia, Hungary, Austria, Germany, and either France, Belgium or the Netherlands first.

So what does this again have to do with Angela Merkel?

Merkel,on her decision opened germanys borders to over one million unregistered migrants,it’s not rocket science.

 

[Estro Felino]

Of course, to a fascist, labor unity, labor solidarity and labor rights have to be mutually exclusive, because fascism entails a subjugation of labor under nationalized capital.

To me it is not something negative, if it reduces unemployment rate to zero.
To you it is negative?

 

[Kooky]

To me it is not something negative, if it reduces unemployment rate to zero.
To you it is negative?

Self evidently so. I favor emancipation over subjugation.

 

[Kooky]

Merkel,on her decision opened germanys borders to over one million unregistered migrants,it’s not rocket science.

So how did Merkel manage to open borders in countries she did not control and wasn't even in close contact with?

Was it Holy Roman Emperor Draghi who acted on her behest?

 

[Estro Felino]

Self evidently so. I favor emancipation over subjugation.

In Italy there is a Democratic Party.
A leftist party which has been defined radical chic, because of their lounge-loving and carefree attitude.
These leftists side with bankers like Draghi, they are for illegal immigration and they couldnt care less about the unemployed Italians.
And they okay the oppression of the working class from the banking and financial élites.
I do not consider them left-wing.

 

[Kooky]

In Italy there is a Democratic Party.
A leftist party which has been defined radical chic, because of their lounge-loving and carefree attitude.
These leftists side with bankers like Draghi, they are for illegal immigration and they couldnt care less about the unemployed Italians.
And they okay the oppression of the working class from the banking and financial élites.
I do not consider them left-wing.

First of all, the DP is hardly a socialist party at all, so I'm not going to bother defending them when I have no skin in that game to begin with.

Second of all, fascists have historically sided with capital against the working class each and every time they were in power.

What did Salvini do for the Italian working class again? Can you list anything substantial?
Or was he held back by some neferious conspiracy that conveniently always prevents these "true socialist" fascists from doing literally anything at all in support of the working class?

Third of all, the woman you support is from Berlusconi's old FI, hardly a "socialist" or even mildly pro-labor party in its own right. You support her and her right-wing movement despite calling yourself a "true socialist", and while dragging the Democratici for not being pro-labor enough for your tastes. Can you explain your thought process there?

 

[Estro Felino]

First of all, the DP is hardly a socialist party at all, so I'm not going to bother defending them when I have no skin in that game to begin with.

Second of all, fascists have historically sided with capital against the working class each and every time they were in power.

What did Salvini do for the Italian working class again? Can you list anything substantial?
Or was he held back by some neferious conspiracy that conveniently always prevents these "true socialist" fascists from doing literally anything at all in support of the working class?

Third of all, the woman you support is from Berlusconi's old FI, hardly a "socialist" or even mildly pro-labor party in its own right. You support her and her right-wing movement despite calling yourself a "true socialist", and while dragging the Democratici for not being pro-labor enough for your tastes. Can you explain your thought process there?

I am not saying Meloni and Salvini are the absolute perfection.
They are very imperfect.
Nevertheless the Dems (Democratici) have lost everything: they have lost Italians' respect, they have lost the regions, they have lost credibility.
Italians Dems exclusively enjoy sipping cocktails in some billionaire's villas before the beach, talking about abstract art with the French R.

They really hate the working class. They have done nothing to help the poor.
Nothing.


Btw...my family voted for Craxi.

 

[Kooky]

I am not saying Meloni and Salvini are the absolute perfection.
They are very imperfect.

Can you explain why neither Forza nor Salvini's ilk did absolutely anything at all to help Italian workers, despite ostensibly being "true socialists"?

Why would you support a blatantly anti-labor politician like Meloni, who started out in an anti-labor party (Forza) and has done absolutely nothing in her entire career that could even be construed as an attempt at a pro-labor policy?

 

[England my lionheart]

So how did Merkel manage to open borders in countries she did not control and wasn't even in close contact with?

Was it Holy Roman Emperor Draghi who acted on her behest?

Are you even reading what I posted,she opened GERMANYS BORDERS in 2015 to over a million migrants without any checks at all,it made world news,no secret about it.

 

[Kooky]

Are you even reading what I posted,she opened GERMANYS BORDERS in 2015 to over a million migrants without any checks at all,it made world news,no secret about it.

First of all, you are factually wrong about there having been no checks, and a million migrants.

Second of all, why do you even care?

 

[England my lionheart]

First of all, you are factually wrong about there having been no checks, and a million migrants.

Second of all, why do you even care?

First prove it,second,when leaders in europe **** up it tends to affect us.

 

[Kooky]

First prove it,

You made a claim, you support your claim. That's how it works in a proper debate.
Since you won't support your claim, I feel no obligation to take it seriously to begin with.

second,when leaders in europe **** up it tends to affect us.

How does Germany's border status affect you, personally, a British person living outside the EU?

 

[England my lionheart]

You made a claim, you support your claim. That's how it works in a proper debate.
Since you won't support your claim, I feel no obligation to take it seriously to begin with.


How does Germany's border status affect you, personally, a British person living outside the EU?

There is no claim only the history which is well documented,how does over a million undocumented people crossing germanys borders affect me?,being honest it doesn’t affect me personally other than desperate people drowning in the channel but it has fuelled right wing politics in europe,here there’s no far right party even in the race,checkout europe.

 

[Kooky]

There is no claim only the history which is well documented,

If it's well documented, then it should be trivial for you to back it up.

how does over a million undocumented people crossing germanys borders affect me?,being honest it doesn’t affect me personally other than desperate people drowning in the channel but it has fuelled right wing politics in europe,here there’s no far right party even in the race,checkout europe.

Well, in Germany's latest national elections, a left-wing coalition just took power, and their far right party has stalled.

 

[Estro Felino]

Second of all, why do you even care?

You don't care about another EU member state?
Then why did you vote Remain?

Not caring is not the EU spirit. The EU spirit is empathy towards any EU country.
Italians do care if some tragedy happens in Germany or in Spain, or in Slovakia.

 

[Estro Felino]

Can you explain why neither Forza nor Salvini's ilk did absolutely anything at all to help Italian workers, despite ostensibly being "true socialists"?

Why would you support a blatantly anti-labor politician like Meloni, who started out in an anti-labor party (Forza) and has done absolutely nothing in her entire career that could even be construed as an attempt at a pro-labor policy?

The categories right/left are obsolete.
Meloni goes to thr outskirts of Rome, talking to the real people. The baker, the fisherman, the butcher, the grocer.
Because she was born there. She is one of them.
Those whom the Democratici look down upon.

 

[England my lionheart]

If it's well documented, then it should be trivial for you to back it up.


Well, in Germany's latest national elections, a left-wing coalition just took power, and their far right party has stalled.

Angela Merkel defends Germany's handling of refugee influx | Migration | The Guardian

A coalition isn’t very strong as I said before,the french presidential elections are next and le penn is ready for it whereas I don’t think macron is ready for anything.