Mickiel's proof of God.

[cottage]

Yes, just as you (Amill) say, Mick never responds to the point that Evolution doesn't deny a possible God, because it contradicts the essence of his dogmatic beliefs. And this is despite it destroying his own argument!

 

[Thief]

The argument that we are all originated from Adam who was created with nipples he had no need of, a belly button that shouldn't be there, an appendix of uselessness, an eye that is outclassed by many other simpler and what you call lesser species is ridiculous just at first blush. But when you consider lucy and ardi and all the evidence we have for evolution and you argue that evolution is false and creation fantasy is real you lose anyone with an education. Even most christians regard genesis as allegory.

Calling evolution an illusion is disgraceful in that you don't understand the theory you call an illusion and you admit that you are a bigot and are just stubbornly pushing what you think people should believe rather then what people really should believe.

You dont know.... but you believe you do know so therefore everyone should be like you. God said we were created from earth... funny... Was it clay? Dirt? Blood? Stardust? Sunbeams? What fantasy religion do you believe and how devout are you and does that really mean anything?

The aztecs killed and sacrificed people... They were devout... And their gods teach drastically different things then your god... Why do you think your god or religion is somehow anymore special then a whole society who believed completely different nonsense? You think they believed any less?

Belief means jack. Einstein is one of the only unique cases where faith based science paid out... (Until he questioned his own quantum theory and tried to disprove it until he died....)

Faith and belief are great... but when you declare evolution any less then fact or label it an illusion its like your trying to say you believe gravity doesnt exist and imagine this... people dont start floating into space....

Evolution is a theory. You could prove it to be an invalid theory. Unfortunately that would mean you actually understand it and know how to go about doing that... Which sadly you dont seem either willing or capable of doing.

In short... When I was a theist... I would say you are working for the man downstairs rather then the one upstairs. You are trying to convince people that things you dont even understand are false or true. Sad that.

:sleep:

Everyone who walks this Earth is made of dust.
It is common to say that a mother eats for two...as she bears child.
Every molecule came up from the ground, as vegetation.
If devoured by cattle it then becomes meat.
Somethings are more direct...as with salt.
Every portion that you are, is of this Earth.
Back to the Earth you will go.

God set this planet in motion.
The Earth is in continual evolution and the life upon it must follow suit.
Evolution is something God set in motion.

As for Adam and Eve....
Adam is a chosen son of God.
Eve is a clone...and had no navel.
Adam was given his twin sister for a bride.
The Garden episode has all the earmarks of a science experiment.

Apparently, Man was not developing as intended.
Genesis is all about God's intervention.
By His hand...and His law.

 

[Tiberius]

I read the article and I agree with " Common descent" to a degree, but I think God is the thing that all things have in common, but I still agree with Common Descent, that is a fact, in my view. I will not pretend to know just how God created all these things, but I think its obvious, with the help of science, that he used the same " Ingredients", to create differening things, such as humans and animals. And I think thats whats misleading, but I agree with : Common Descent.

Peace.

Well, common descent means that animals evolved an ancestor. For example, all primates evolved from a primate ancestor.

I don't see how a person can accept common descent and not accept evolution.

 

[Tiberius]

Well Its evidence that I believe to be true. Suchs as your refusal to see my evidence, your blindness to it, is evidence itself to me that God exist. I have went over this several times. The fact that you can continually demand evidence, in the face of someone who has continually put the evidence in your face, but you can't see it, proves to me that someone is intentionally blinding you to from this evidence.

I think that someone is God. And your blindness proves to me that he exist.

Peace.

What you have provided is opinion, not evidence.

Show me something that I can see the same way that you do.

 

[mickiel]

In short... When I was a theist... I would say you are working for the man downstairs rather then the one upstairs. You are trying to convince people that things you dont even understand are false or true. Sad that.

:sleep:

I am working for neither. And I am not trying to convince others, I don't care what they believe.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Well, common descent means that animals evolved an ancestor. For example, all primates evolved from a primate ancestor.

I don't see how a person can accept common descent and not accept evolution.

Common descent in my view, means we all came from God. And we all came from the earth.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

What you have provided is opinion, not evidence.

Show me something that I can see the same way that you do.

I can't show you how to see with my eyes.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Why couldn't god have created life and let natural selection and genetic mutations take it's course? quote

God is natural selection and mutation, it is not a thing of its own, which one could seperate from God.

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Why does Evolution automatically mean that there is no god? Only creationists try to villainize evolution to be the atheists religion. Most people who accept evolution are theists, a lot even see god's hand guiding the process. I realize that you either won't read this or will go back to the same stupid arguments tomorrow.quote


Most people who accept evolution are not theist, I disagree with that. As far as going back to stupid arguements, why do you keep reading and responding to the stupidity?
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But yea, the genetic evidence, the toenails on manatees, the dinosaurs that had feathers(technically birds today are dinosaurs though), the animals that we can't even describe as being reptile like mammals or mammal like reptiles, the pythons with leg remnants, the whales with hips, ect, ect, ect. if you want more, ask. quote

No

God designed many animals to change over time, but thats my definition of evolution, God designed change over time. I accept that definition of Evolution, and that one only.

Peace.

blah blah blah you never respond to posts that point out the flaws in your thought process blah blah blah.

You stated that if I want more ask, I need nothing more from you.

Peace.

 

[ragordon168]

Common descent in my view, means we all came from God. And we all came from the earth.

Peace.

well as a methaphor thats fine but literally :no:.

the problem with god is theres no evidence. there is evidence of life, evidence of earth but none for god. we cant just add him in to a model becuase he 'should' be there

 

[mickiel]

well as a methaphor thats fine but literally :no:.

the problem with god is theres no evidence. there is evidence of life, evidence of earth but none for god. we cant just add him in to a model becuase he 'should' be there

Life and the Earth are evidence of God.

Peace.

 

[ragordon168]

Life and the Earth are evidence of God.

Peace.

nope life and earth are evidence of themselves, not of god.


earth and life on their own are not enough evidence for god, it requires a 'leap of faith' to get to god. we need something else something that is uniquely god and cannot be explained any other way

 

[Quagmire]

I have absolute, incontrovertible proof of the existence of God, but I'm not letting you guys in on it because you p-ed me off.

And no, I don't want to go into that.

 

[mickiel]

nope life and earth are evidence of themselves, not of god.


earth and life on their own are not enough evidence for god, it requires a 'leap of faith' to get to god. we need something else something that is uniquely god and cannot be explained any other way

Either one of them by themselves is enough singular evidence. I think Life, or Consciousness is in fact the greatest proof of God, out of the thousands of proofs. And I think Earth would be in the top ten greatest proofs of God. But this shows you the blindness to God that exist out there. Here we have two of the top ten greatest proofs, being called not enough proof.

The aittitude of " Not Enough Proof", is a brainchild of Atheist, who see no proof, no matter how much is there.,

Peace.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

nope life and earth are evidence of themselves, not of god.


earth and life on their own are not enough evidence for god, it requires a 'leap of faith' to get to god. we need something else something that is uniquely god and cannot be explained any other way

Well said...and you are correct. And as for the "belief" of common decent Mickiel puts forth...it's incorrect...Common Decent is evidence of the evolutionary process. We can't, nor has anyone been able...even here on RF...to show any evidence of a god.

Evolution and and the hypothesis of "God" are two totally different things. It has been said over and over...that evolution is not about creation nor does it present itself as such. Even if we concede a god initiating life it does not refute the ToE.

Some theist, no matter what you say to them or how much evidence you show them, may never get to the point of accepting evolution. This is something they have to get to on their own once they actually start to take the time to learn what evolution is and what it says.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

I have absolute, incontrovertible proof of the existence of God, but I'm not letting you guys in on it because you p-ed me off.

And no, I don't want to go into that.

Ohhhh quaggy please tell me. I'm sorry i hurt you feelings.

PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEE

-Q

 

[richardlowellt]

I think we all understand that.

I strongly suggest we turn out the lights and quietly tip toe out of the room and leave him is his misery and delusions, if we all do that he will have no one left to insult him and his endless whimpering will end.

 

[Tiberius]

Common descent in my view, means we all came from God. And we all came from the earth.

Peace.

Then what you call Common Descent is not common descent at all. Giving one thing the name of another thing does not make it the other thing.

Life and the Earth are evidence of God.

Peace.

You say these things, but you never explain why they are proof of God. You just state your opinion over and over.

Either one of them by themselves is enough singular evidence. I think Life, or Consciousness is in fact the greatest proof of God, out of the thousands of proofs. And I think Earth would be in the top ten greatest proofs of God. But this shows you the blindness to God that exist out there. Here we have two of the top ten greatest proofs, being called not enough proof.

The aittitude of " Not Enough Proof", is a brainchild of Atheist, who see no proof, no matter how much is there.,

Peace.

Mickiel, it is not enough for you to say that "This particular thing is proof for God."

You must say, "This particular thing is proof of God BECAUSE...."

I'll tell you what. The moment that you actually do that, the moment you give us that "because", the moment you explain WHY whatever you are talking about is a sound proof of God, I'll stop bugging you about things, okay? But it has to be a sound proof of God, so no saying, "This particular thing is proof of God because I really feel it to be true."

 

[Tiberius]

I can't show you how to see with my eyes.

Peace.

If I need your eyes to see it, it isn't proof. It's just subjective opinion, not objective fact.

 

[mickiel]

I strongly suggest we turn out the lights and quietly tip toe out of the room and leave him is his misery and delusions, if we all do that he will have no one left to insult him and his endless whimpering will end.

Atheist do not control the lights.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

If I need your eyes to see it, it isn't proof. It's just subjective opinion, not objective fact.

They are facts in my eyes, facts that you seem to need to look at.

Peace.