Mickiel's proof of God.

[mickiel]

I have a question for you mickiel..

Why?

Why what?

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

So, everything that is 'true' is proof of God?

Don't think that is a bit of a non-argument? I mean, I could just as easily claim they are proof of the Teapot.

Spot the difference.

No, no, " Everything is proof of God", not just things that are true.

Peace.

 

[cottage]

I hold no intrest in communicating with you, theres something about you I do not like.

Peace.

Ah! That will be because I ask the wrong questions, put you on a spot and thus make you feel uncomfortable. But that's not my intention. I only invite you debate honestly. This is not a site for proselytizing: it is a forum for debate.

 

[mickiel]

I have a question for you mickiel..

Why?

If you mean why I have had enough of Cottage, its because I don't take to well to being called names, so I avoid the people who do it.

Peace.

 

[cottage]

At times I create my own word usuage, my own definitions, comming from my own mind, this process I trust more than anythingelse. At times I create the vernacular, and I enjoy that creation. I will continue to show the evidence of a God, continue. And I will continue to rock the consciousness of the Atheist, just as they have assualted the existence of God, I assualt them in this frontline war.

I do so alone, holding no need for help.

In the war against God, evolution is a major fighter in these pits I live in. This false concept has opened up a big wound in humanity, and poured salt in the wound.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

Again you close your mind to what you actually know to be true, which is that Evolution does not in the least damage the concept of a creator God. And you weaken God by making his existence contingent upon the non-existence of Evolution. You are wedded to dogma and a dishonest premise.

 

[mickiel]

Jerusalem depended on the Spring of Gihon and other wells for water mentioned in the bible. Archaeologist have found the Spring of Gihon.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Evolution coincides with the need to remove God as creator. God is the cause of growth, Evolution protends that it, itself, is the cause of growth. This, at its root, is a false concept, fuel for God dispisers.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

 

[cottage]

If you mean why I have had enough of Cottage, its because I don't take to well to being called names, so I avoid the people who do it.

Peace.

So it's okay for you to insult others, but suddenly your sensibilities kick in and you collapse in a heap of sensitivity when you feel aggrieved by some other person's remarks? I suggest the truth is that you want to avoid posts that might comprise your beliefs.

 

[mickiel]

Atheist, yet another proof of God. In Romans 11:32;" For God has " Shut up all" in disobedience." This literally means that God has locked the minds of humans into an area that he wants them to stay in. All Atheist , are Atheist, because thats what God wants them to be. He has locked their minds into that pattern, and this goes for any way that any human thinks.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Evolution coincides with the need to remove God as creator. God is the cause of growth, Evolution protends that it, itself, is the cause of growth. This, at its root, is a false concept, fuel for God dispisers.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

No matter how evolutionist here that debate me talk about my misunderstanding of the term, I know that the theory, at its root conception, is an effort to take the orgin of humanity away from God and give it to fossils that came from rocks in Sea, that came from rocks in the sky,that came from rocks in some distant scientist head. Nothing evolves from nothing, nothing just pops into existence and begins to grow.

Nothing, thats what the Theory of Evolution really is based on, Nothing.

Its the Nothing, and Evolutionist are servants of the Nothing.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

No matter how evolutionist here that debate me talk about my misunderstanding of the term, I know that the theory, at its root conception, is an effort to take the orgin of humanity away from God and give it to fossils that came from rocks in Sea, that came from rocks in the sky,that came from rocks in some distant scientist head. Nothing evolves from nothing, nothing just pops into existence and begins to grow.

Nothing, thats what the Theory of Evolution really is based on, Nothing.

Its the Nothing, and Evolutionist are servants of the Nothing.

Peace.

There are many aspects of Evolution, and I think they all will eventually lead to Universal Evolution, which seeks to explain every aspect of the world we live in. Simply put, this is an effort to " Play God."

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

 

[cottage]

Evolution coincides with the need to remove God as creator. God is the cause of growth, Evolution protends that it, itself, is the cause of growth. This, at its root, is a false concept, fuel for God dispisers.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

Evolution does not coincide with the need to remove God as the creator. There is no argument to the opposite. If God is the creator and sustainer of everything existent thing, then no thing can be the cause of itself. It follows then that things that are caused to exist may evolve because they are sustained in their evolution, but nothing can evolve independent of the will of God.

Just consider this piece of eloquence for a moment:

St Thomas Aquinas said: "Just as God gave things there being when they first began, but is also the cause of their being as long as they last...so he not only gave things their operative powers when they were first created but is always the cause of these in things. Hence if his divine influence stopped, every operation would stop. Every operation, therefore, of anything is traced back to him as a cause." (Summa contra Gentiles, III,67)

So, Evolution is entirely consistent with a Creator God. On this account: no God, no Evolution.

 

[mickiel]

There are many aspects of Evolution, and I think they all will eventually lead to Universal Evolution, which seeks to explain every aspect of the world we live in. Simply put, this is an effort to " Play God."

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

We have Abiogenesis, Stellar evolution, Systhesis evolution, Technological evolution, Cultrual evolution, the list goes on and eventually will morph into Universal Evolution, which is the effort to play God. All human efforts to play God are false , there are no exceptions to this, none. God is the common ground, he is the beginning and only he can explain himself and what he has done.

Peace.

 

[cottage]

Atheist, yet another proof of God. In Romans 11:32;" For God has " Shut up all" in disobedience." This literally means that God has locked the minds of humans into an area that he wants them to stay in. All Atheist , are Atheist, because thats what God wants them to be. He has locked their minds into that pattern, and this goes for any way that any human thinks.

And I want to go into that.


Peace.

Explain what you mean by 'atheist'?

 

[rojse]

There is no such thing as something not being proof of God.

Peace.

So, everything, in some form or another, is proof of God?

If this is so, why single out a particular event or thing, whether it be music, atheism, consciousness, and so forth, as proof? Why not try and prove why the entire spectrum of existence proves God, instead of individual parts?

 

[mickiel]

Atheist, yet another proof of God. In Romans 11:32;" For God has " Shut up all" in disobedience." This literally means that God has locked the minds of humans into an area that he wants them to stay in. All Atheist , are Atheist, because thats what God wants them to be. He has locked their minds into that pattern, and this goes for any way that any human thinks.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

Something under a magnifying glass does not change, your view of it is just improved. My view of Atheist has improved, because I have examined this world under the magnifying glass of Gods word, the only true lead we have. In Acts 3:21, God will " Restore all things." Which conversely means he distorted all things. In Eccle. 7:13;" Who is able to straighten what God has bent?" Very interesting statement describing what God has done.

Bent beliefs are the result of God himself, and all that he bent, is proof of Gods doings.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

So, everything, in some form or another, is proof of God?

If this is so, why single out a particular event or thing, whether it be music, atheism, consciousness, and so forth, as proof? Why not try and prove why the entire spectrum of existence proves God, instead of individual parts?

Interesting premise, I will do that another day, perhaps at another website. Sounds like a good ideal to me. So many Atheist here kept asking me for proof and evidence, I just thought I would work through it individualy, and break each singular one down.

Peace.

 

[McBell]

and yet you present nothing to support all the claims you purport thus far...


Though I can honestly say I am not the least bit surprised.

 

[Tiberius]

Mickiel,

You say these things are proof, and you give your opinion, but you never explain why other people should share this opinion. You never give anything for us to support that what you say is anything but your opinion.

And I want to go into that.

 

[mickiel]

We have Abiogenesis, Stellar evolution, Systhesis evolution, Technological evolution, Cultrual evolution, the list goes on and eventually will morph into Universal Evolution, which is the effort to play God. All human efforts to play God are false , there are no exceptions to this, none. God is the common ground, he is the beginning and only he can explain himself and what he has done.

Peace.

If you head north, eventually you will get to north, but even before your there, your still heading north. The goal of all definitions of evolution, is to eventually get to Universal Evolution, the explination of how everything came to be. Eventually all Evolutionist must face the question of God, or reject the existence of God. In my view, it is contridiction to be both a believer in God, and an Evolutionist, settling for God starting evolution and then it took itself over.

And I want to go into that dicotomy.

Peace.