Mickiel's proof of God.

[slave2six]

I have never stated that. I think Adam and Eve were the first humans given Consciousness by God, but they were not the first humans, Archaeology proves that.

Psst! Don't tell anyone but there was no "Adam and Eve."

 

[mickiel]

Look, if you want to come online and say, "These particular things convince me that there is a God", then that's great. More power to you.

But it's madness to post those things as PROOF of God in a DEBATE FORUM and then say, "Hey, it's just my opinion, I don't want to convince you!" That's what debate is about, yes? To present a coherent argument in an effort to convince people of a particular point of view?



Like I said, I'm happy for you. But I really think you shouldn't be in a debate forum.

I like you Tiberius, you are reasonable, and I agree, it is madness, I admit to being in the Darkness, my opinions affected by it. But in my madness, I do neglect debate " As others define it", I do not debate to convince, I debate to get off my chest, whats on it. Like a whirlwind inside of me, I just have to get it out of me, with no concern of how it is received. Which is madness. Yet what puzzles me, as other Atheist tell me that no one wants to listen to me, is I have two post here that I exhale myself in. One has over 17,000 views, this one over 4,000, both continue to grow. Explain to me why people are viewing the madness? And this phenom happens on any site I post on. Why should I listen to some Atheist try to dictate terms of communication to me, when I have no problem expressing myself, or being listened to by others?

Peace.

 

[richardlowellt]

I admit to being in the Darkness, my opinions affected by it.

Glad we have cleared that up.

I do not debate to convince, I debate to get off my chest, whats on it. Like a whirlwind inside of me, I just have to get it out of me, with no concern of how it is received. Which is madness

Why do you think anyone cares about your madness or what's on your chest?

I have two post here that I exhale myself in

What exactly does this mean, you EXHALE yourself????????

 

[The Neo Nerd]

Mick let me sum up your theory here.

Romance exists (this is true) and god created it (this is an assumption).

I'm sorry this isn't proof. This is your personal opinion.

If you dont want people to debate your personal opinion don't post it on a discussion forum. Because discussion forums are there for people to discuss and debate peoples ideas. You are more than entitled to your opinions but if you just want to exhale it out there, get it off your chest, then perhaps a blog would be a better medium for it. That way discussion and debate is not invited.

-Q

 

[mickiel]

Mick let me sum up your theory here.

Romance exists (this is true) and god created it (this is an assumption).

I'm sorry this isn't proof. This is your personal opinion.quote

This is not a theory, you just view it as such, to me it is fact. It is proof to me, its personal fact to me, its absolute truth to me, and I post it as such. How you view it, is meaningless to me.


If quoteyou dont want people to debate your personal opinion don't post it on a discussion forum. Because discussion forums are there for people to discuss and debate peoples ideas. You are more than entitled to your opinions but if you just want to exhale it out there, get it off your chest, then perhaps a blog would be a better medium for it. That way discussion and debate is not invited.

-Q

You can't tell me not to post, you do not control that right, as no Atheist alive or dead will ever control how I communicate. I have debated over 500 combined pages on both of my post, just not in a manner which Atheist approve of.

I don't need Atheist approval, or their definitions of how I debate and communicate. And none of you seem to accept this absolute reality. Mickiel is someone that Atheist cannot control, influence, or dictate terms of communication to. There is nothing you can do with me. You can continue to try, but I will continue to be me. And with me, there is no room whatsoever for Atheist thought.

And I like it like that. I like limiting my exposure to Godless belief. But I will respond to the respect that Atheist distribute toward me. And will reject the disrespect.

I don't like Atheist, never have. I have to force myself to tolerate many of you, your insults, your dry cynicism, your unruly sarcasm, your absolute blindness to God. People who I don't like, don't easily win my respect. And there are not many Atheist that I respect, nor that I like talking too.

And Atheist best remember this confession. Because the time will come in the future, that I will make it again. But by then, I will more be understanding of the Truth. And my ability to communicate it, may well increase.

Peace.

Peace.

 

[richardlowellt]

You can't tell me not to post, you do not control that right, as no Atheist alive or dead will ever control how I communicate.

Now,now, I don't think anyone wants to control how you communicate, I think most of us wish you were more educated on the subjects you reject.

I have debated over 500 combined pages on both of my post, just not in a manner which Atheist approve of.

I'm sure you do have that many posts, posting your opinion with no supporting evidence is sure to draw the ire of many.

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And none of you seem to accept this absolute reality

LOL, the absolute reality according to Mickiel.

but I will continue to be me.

I hope so, we would all be lost without you.

And with me, there is no room whatsoever for Atheist thought.

Or any other opposing thoughts. It must be splendid to know you are always right.

And I like it like that. I like limiting my exposure to Godless belief.

Of course you do, that way you can stay warm and cozy in your beliefs, never having them challenged, be comfortable, pay no attention to anything that might challenge your belief. I just hope you never have to defend it with logic and reason.

I don't like Atheist, never have. I have to force myself to tolerate many of you, your insults, your dry cynicism, your unruly sarcasm, your absolute blindness to God. People who I don't like, don't easily win my respect. And there are not many Atheist that I respect, nor that I like talking too.

Ah, now I'm hurt, and I thought we were just starting to get along----oh well!!

And Atheist best remember this confession. Because the time will come in the future, that I will make it again.

When you will make what again?

And my ability to communicate it, may well increase.

Amen to that brother, we can only hope.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

You can't tell me not to post, you do not control that right, as no Atheist alive or dead will ever control how I communicate. I have debated over 500 combined pages on both of my post, just not in a manner which Atheist approve of.

I don't need Atheist approval, or their definitions of how I debate and communicate. And none of you seem to accept this absolute reality. Mickiel is someone that Atheist cannot control, influence, or dictate terms of communication to. There is nothing you can do with me. You can continue to try, but I will continue to be me. And with me, there is no room whatsoever for Atheist thought.

And I like it like that. I like limiting my exposure to Godless belief. But I will respond to the respect that Atheist distribute toward me. And will reject the disrespect.

I don't like Atheist, never have. I have to force myself to tolerate many of you, your insults, your dry cynicism, your unruly sarcasm, your absolute blindness to God. People who I don't like, don't easily win my respect. And there are not many Atheist that I respect, nor that I like talking too.

And Atheist best remember this confession. Because the time will come in the future, that I will make it again. But by then, I will more be understanding of the Truth. And my ability to communicate it, may well increase.

Peace.

Peace.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

:bow:

WE ARE NOT WORTHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You'd make a great chaote mick.

 

[mickiel]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

:bow:

WE ARE NOT WORTHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You'd make a great chaote mick.

I understand the reaction from Atheist that I receive, childish outbursts that root from frustration. Continuous sarcasm as an expression of language. Insulting as a way of reaction, all this I continually see comming from Atheist, comming out of them. Now it comes out, because thats whats in there. Once we see whats inside of someone, we then know what they are made of. When you are made of constant cynicism, continual sarcasm, you have nothing to offer humanity, but those things itself, and you add to the growing habits in conversation that these ways of being has birthed.

Writing insults, giant letters, bold sarcasm, as we did when we were children. So when adults have been seduced into the reaction of children, what that really shows is a spoiled human that is not getting their way with something, so it is really them who are crying, and they are not going to give you any of their candy, they will punish you by insulting you.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Romance is another Proof of God, as I see it throughout all of creation. Birds singing and flying in unision, the attraction ritual that we all go through in every race, the inner desires that were not developed, but we were somehow born with. Love is a Proof of God, but not many understand Love ( Including myself) so I explain in terms that I can understand, Romance. Romance, ( or Love) has no evolution. It didnot grow on a tree, no Atheist can take away its power to drive humanity away from fruitless belief that dismisses the pressence of a designing being who gave the ingredient, because thats how he is himself.

Now, the bible speaks of a time that Love will grow cold on earth, or that Atheist will multiply and turn the meaning of Love away from God, and toward it evolving from spaceballs. Thats what Atheist are doing, sapping the true meaning of Love away from mankind, and turning it into animalistic tendency or a machine. When you don't believe in God, you have to credit " Other Things" and give those things the power you have taken from God.

I view Atheist as " The believers in Other Things". The " Other Thing" is what is killing mankind. Its the " Other Lion" that makes the kill. Its not the Lion that you can see who makes the kill, its " The Other Lion" which you cannot see that is effective in the maul. Atheist are mauling the belief of humanity and tearing it to bits. But they are transparent, I can see them. I can see the other. I can see what happens to mankind when they get engulfed in the " Other Things." The forbidden fruits, the sarcasm, the negative, the aittitude, the agression, the freedom to do whatever and think whatever. The pandoras box of thinking outside of God.

And since the Atheist are continuing to pester me, I want to go into them for a bit, and they are going to help me do this. I will be using their own comments to reveal just what an Atheist really is.

Peace.

 

[averageJOE]

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One does ones thinking before one knows what one is thinking about. Thinking then is not Conscious, rather it is an automatic process following a struction and the materials on which the struction operate. Early Homo Sapiens could think, but were not conscious of their thinking. They could even reason, but Consciousness is not necessary for Reason. Logic is not Consciousness. For example; Choosing paths, words, notes, motions, these are all primitive kinds of reasonings that go on without Consciousness. But to those unaware of this truth, they will attribute these things as being evidence of Consciousness, which is absurd.

[/quote]
How did you come up with this conclusion? Was it scientifically proven? "Biblically proven"? Please share your sources and any evidence you have on this. Because saying that early homo sapiens didn't have a conscience is a truth without anything to back it up with sounds pretty silly to me.

 

[mickiel]

How did you come up with this conclusion? Was it scientifically proven? "Biblically proven"? Please share your sources and any evidence you have on this. Because saying that early homo sapiens didn't have a conscience is a truth without anything to back it up with sounds pretty silly to me.[/quote]


Its not silly to me, I am the source, its my belief, my view, and my thoughts. And I don't view my thoughts as silly. Do you need a source for all your views? Does everything you believe come from a source outside of yourself? I am not trying to prove anything to you, I am telling you what I believe. I need no sources, its you that have that need, I trust my own mind.

Peace.

 

[Diederick]

Pair bonding is seen in other animals; it's useful for survival. No evidence for god there.

We as a species are capable of fearing ghosts and demons, trusting that rabbit's feet and four-leaf clovers bring us good luck, and forming bonds with imaginary friends. These are evolutionary flaws. No evidence for god there either.

Excellent point, though I disagree with you that our intense imagination is a flaw. Surely it has negatives, the only one I can think of now imaginary friends (including 'Deities'); but imagination has given us great advances in science and philosophy.

Feeling romantic about God doesn't make him more real, it just becomes a better working placebo when you're in such a state of disconnection.

 

[averageJOE]

Its not silly to me, I am the source, its my belief, my view, and my thoughts. And I don't view my thoughts as silly. Do you need a source for all your views? Does everything you believe come from a source outside of yourself? I am not trying to prove anything to you, I am telling you what I believe. I need no sources, its you that have that need, I trust my own mind.

Peace.

Cool. So don't use the word TRUTH. Use the word OPINION.

 

[mickiel]

How did you come up with this conclusion? Was it scientifically proven? "Biblically proven"? Please share your sources and any evidence you have on this. Because saying that early homo sapiens didn't have a conscience is a truth without anything to back it up with sounds pretty silly to me.[/quote]


But if you just need a book or something, or a professional who you can justify as credible, author Julian Jaynes has some views that I agree with. But I do not agree with all of his views. But I am not the only one who believes these things, and my belief didnot come from Jaynes or anyonelse, it was from within me, I form my own views, and just sometimes notice a simular one in others.

Peace.

 

[Diederick]

Romance is another Proof of God, as I see it throughout all of creation. Birds singing and flying in unision, the attraction ritual that we all go through in every race, the inner desires that were not developed, but we were somehow born with. Love is a Proof of God, but not many understand Love ( Including myself) so I explain in terms that I can understand, Romance. Romance, ( or Love) has no evolution. It didnot grow on a tree, no Atheist can take away its power to drive humanity away from fruitless belief that dismisses the pressence of a designing being who gave the ingredient, because thats how he is himself.

Why would atheists want to take away the love in this world? And what does God have to do with the awesome beauty and diversity of life on our planet? And by 'God' I mean all Gods conceived, including Yahweh, the FSM, Allah, Buddha, the Flying Teapot and more. I'm an atheist and I am too greatly inspired by the greatness of our world. The beauty of life makes it worthwhile.

Now, the bible speaks of a time that Love will grow cold on earth, or that Atheist will multiply and turn the meaning of Love away from God, and toward it evolving from spaceballs.

Again, why would we want to destroy love, and what the heck does God have to do with love? As if you need God in order to love. Don't all animals and evil sinners know love (psychologically disabled left aside)? Or do you just mean that love is just another creation of God, like everything else?

Thats what Atheist are doing, sapping the true meaning of Love away from mankind, and turning it into animalistic tendency or a machine.

Obviously, you've never heard of hormones. Essentially, the feelings we describe as 'love' are just that, a machinery in action. It's not as romantic as when it would be a magnificent something you'd have gotten from a higher being - but it at least it is real.

When you don't believe in God, you have to credit " Other Things" and give those things the power you have taken from God.

What "power"? Nothing has the power to perform supernatural miracles over this world, so there is no power I would have taken from God. The only 'power' that would be is the orderly mechanism of nature. But nature works by logic, the simple law of cause and effect. Unlike God, nature makes sense and we can very efficiently wield it to good use. And nature isn't a higher power or spirit or force, it is just all that there is, including ourselves.

I view Atheist as " The believers in Other Things". The " Other Thing" is what is killing mankind. Its the " Other Lion" that makes the kill. Its not the Lion that you can see who makes the kill, its " The Other Lion" which you cannot see that is effective in the maul. Atheist are mauling the belief of humanity and tearing it to bits. But they are transparent, I can see them. I can see the other. I can see what happens to mankind when they get engulfed in the " Other Things." The forbidden fruits, the sarcasm, the negative, the aittitude, the agression, the freedom to do whatever and think whatever. The pandoras box of thinking outside of God.

Are you afraid of reality? I think your image of Atheists is people who "believe" in sex, or drugs or alcohol. But we don't believe in anything, that's what makes us atheists. We don't ascribe a power over our lives to anything, because we ourselves have that power. We don't need a celestial sugar-daddy to get along, reality is just fine for us, better even. What exactly do you think will happen to the world if there were no more religious people? (a.k.a. only atheists)

What is so bad about atheists? We just don't do your placebo.

And since the Atheist are continuing to pester me, I want to go into them for a bit, and they are going to help me do this. I will be using their own comments to reveal just what an Atheist really is.

Peace.

I'm very anxious to read what you think an Atheist really is.

Its not silly to me, I am the source, its my belief, my view, and my thoughts. And I don't view my thoughts as silly. Do you need a source for all your views? Does everything you believe come from a source outside of yourself? I am not trying to prove anything to you, I am telling you what I believe. I need no sources, its you that have that need, I trust my own mind.

Peace.

We all need sources for almost everything. The only innate source that we have is our body, which is programmed to do certain things (like the survival instinct, love, hunger, thirst, curiousness, etc.), the basic aspects of human life.

Your beliefs also come from observations and other information. And just saying it is your belief doesn't make it more real or credible, just like Russel's Teapot.

I've marked the questions I'd like you to answer as bold text.

 

[mickiel]

Why would atheists want to take away the love in this world? And what does God have to do with the awesome beauty and diversity of life on our planet? And by 'God' I mean all Gods conceived, including Yahweh, the FSM, Allah, Buddha, the Flying Teapot and more. I'm an atheist and I am too greatly inspired by the greatness of our world. The beauty of life makes it worthwhile.
Again, why would we want to destroy love, and what the heck does God have to do with love? As if you need God in order to love. Don't all animals and evil sinners know.

I stated that I would be using Atheist to display what has occured on this planet. Soon after God allowed prehistoric men who he didnot give consciousness to , to die out, during some period he created Adam and Eve. They were given consciousness and it was then that human civilization began, and I believe this occured in Africa somewhere, and archaeology has traced the beginning of human civilization to Africa, so I believe Adam and Eve were " Lightskinned blacks." They began to have children and not long after this repreduction, certain humans started disbelieving in God. I am not sure, but I would speculate that less than 100 years after God created humans, many of them started disbelief. Seduction starts early and spreads quickly.

God created humans out of Love, Love is his way, his thing, his true characther. God created human life, less than 100 years after he did, humans were saying things like;" What the heck does God have to do with Love?" What does God have to do with the awesome bueaty of our planet? These kinds of statements take away from the greatest Romance in our history, they distort our history.

So that is one thing an Atheist is, a distorter of truth. Their theme is distortion, and they feed off of it. Spread it, and nueturalize the true orgin of Love, and dissovle it. A planet created by a God, now has become the planet of the Apes. Credit for human life has been given to Apes.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

 

[Diederick]

So that is one thing an Atheist is, a distorter of truth. Their theme is distortion, and they feed off of it. Spread it, and nueturalize the true orgin of Love, and dissovle it. A planet created by a God, now has become the planet of the Apes. Credit for human life has been given to Apes.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

That's quite an extraordinary statement you've made right there. WE distort reality? How so? Just because we don't believe in the same superstition you do, for which there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE? (No real evidence anyway...) I mean, dude, even IF; the mere notion that God made us out of Love (he probably was lonely), doesn't mean that that Love is something we've gotten from God. Are you saying only humans know love?

Atheists care about truth, about REAL truth - truth that is backed up with evidence. I can understand that you are so dependant on your supernatural beliefs, but that alone shouldn't be motivation enough to go about claiming people who don't believe what you do are evil beings trying to destroy all the love in the world. You know atheists are just as capable of loving as theist are, don't you? We just don't love God, or think we love because of God, because we think he probably isn't there.

 

[averageJOE]

I wanted to get into this debate here, but forget it. Mickiel doens't want to debate anything. He just wants everyone to agree with him. He's looking for posts like:
"You know, your right!"
"I'm learning a lot from you! What else do you have to say?"
"Wow! I've never had it explained so clearly before!"

 

[mickiel]

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Atheists care about truth, about REAL truth - truth that is backed up with evidence. We just don't love God, or think we love because of God, because we think he probably isn't there.

Continuing with my examination of the Atheist mind, they think they care about truth. God is truth, the bible is truth, but Atheist think that they themselves are truth, or can see truth. They view truth as scientific and mathematical, and they figure Love has come from this same configuration, facts and figures.

Atheist do not Love God, but somehow figure that equates to a search for truth. Its so contridicional, its mind boggling. God is truth, but a human can think he does not exist, and they can still have the truth. Its like trying to explain life without God, its just not possible. But Atheist have stepped into that impossibility and look to explain the impossible as being possible.

And that defines another Atheist characteristic: they have a mentality that will try to get blood to come from a Turnip, they are existing in an impossibility, but tell others that they believe the impossible. So an Atheist is a contridiction, that is convinced by its contridiction.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

I wanted to get into this debate here, but forget it. Mickiel doens't want to debate anything. He just wants everyone to agree with him. He's looking for posts like:
"You know, your right!"
"I'm learning a lot from you! What else do you have to say?"
"Wow! I've never had it explained so clearly before!"

Continuing with live Atheist examples. Atheist can sense when they have run into something stronger than they, which is why many of them refuse to deal with me for long. I am not one of those " Holy Christians" whom they are accustomed to banging around. This is also why I think all Atheist are hypocrites, to a certain degree, because I know somewhere deep inside of them, they can sense that there is some kind of power out there which is greater than humans, they just refuse to call that God.

Your not the first Atheist I have driven off, and you willnot be the last.

Peace.

Peace.