Mickiel's proof of God.

[mickiel]

I wanted to get into this debate here, but forget it. Mickiel doens't want to debate anything. He just wants everyone to agree with him. He's looking for posts like:
"You know, your right!"
"I'm learning a lot from you! What else do you have to say?"
"Wow! I've never had it explained so clearly before!"

What makes you think I want to debate an Atheist? For what? I am not going to gain absolutely anything from it. They believe the lie that God is not real. Why should I debate people who believe in lies?

This then reveals another Atheist characteristic, they think everyone should " Want to debate them", and if a person does not, well then theres something wrong with them.

Man, I couldcareless who wants to debate me. I couldcareless if people do not even speak to me.

Peace.

 

[Diederick]

Continuing with my examination of the Atheist mind, they think they care about truth. God is truth, the bible is truth, but Atheist think that they themselves are truth, or can see truth. They view truth as scientific and mathematical, and they figure Love has come from this same configuration, facts and figures.

We can establish truth, quite simply. Of course the definition of 'truth' is up for debate, but truth, to me and I think most people, is reality - what is real, actual. You do not have a truth that I do not have, because you do not posses mental powers that I do not.

Atheist do not Love God, but somehow figure that equates to a search for truth. Its so contridicional, its mind boggling. God is truth, but a human can think he does not exist, and they can still have the truth. Its like trying to explain life without God, its just not possible. But Atheist have stepped into that impossibility and look to explain the impossible as being possible.

It is not possible for YOU to understand life without God, because YOU are unwilling to part from the fabric which makes up your placebo. For me, including God as a factor of reality, makes things only harder to understand, and actually impossible to understand as making any sense. The impossibility you speak of, is reality as is commonly accepted by many people in this world, including most scientists. It is no coincidence that religion departs from where intellect thrives. Logic, is a key factor in understanding things, reality or "that impossibility" makes complete sense, is utterly logic. YOUR possibility lacks such a functioning.

And that defines another Atheist characteristic: they have a mentality that will try to get blood to come from a Turnip, they are existing in an impossibility, but tell others that they believe the impossible. So an Atheist is a contridiction, that is convinced by its contridiction.

Peace.

We don't try to make things anything other than they are, we do not try to draw blood from plants. It is a malfunction in your reasoning, that you think we, atheists, are living in a world that doesn't make sense, that contradicts itself. If you would ever have studied the sciences, anything at all, you'd know that science is about getting the truth, getting to the bottom of things. Our understanding of this world has never been greater and it will only increase, as will the percentage of non-religious people in the world. Because religion doesn't make sense, and because the human species is so keen on getting to know things.

What is so impossible about reality?

What makes you think I want to debate an Atheist? For what? I am not going to gain absolutely anything from it. They believe the lie that God is not real. Why should I debate people who believe in lies?

This then reveals another Atheist characteristic, they think everyone should " Want to debate them", and if a person does not, well then theres something wrong with them.

Man, I couldcareless who wants to debate me. I couldcareless if people do not even speak to me.

Peace.

Mickiel, why are you here? I mean on this debate forum. If you don't want to be in a debate, then why bother us with your opinions? And I don't think people who don't want to debate with atheists have "something wrong with them". Nor that they should. If people are uncomfortable about their religion, I can understand that. But you are getting in people's faces, just flinging around your unsupported claims like a monkey does his poo. And you don't care, because apparently that is what you do. But please, don't do it on a forum, where people are supposed to DEBATE.

Peace, is about respecting other people, not provoking them.

 

[mickiel]

We can establish truth, quite simply. Of course the definition of 'truth' is up for debate, but truth, to me and I think most people, is reality - what is real, actual. You do not have a truth that I do not have, because you do not posses mental powers that I do not.

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Continuing on the Atheist mind. Here again is a live example of what I call " Atheist Envy." Obviously God has not contacted them, so that means noboyelse has experienced it either. Because they have every right to be " Mentally aware of God" as anyonelse. Now God has never contacted me, or given me some kind of advanced mental powers, but I still believe him as the only alternitive. But just because I do not personally know God, does not mean I must then deny he exist.

I don't envy others who claim to know God, but I certainly have my suspictions that not all of them are telling the truth. And I suspect God exist, but I am not on a crusade to prove it to anyone, only to myself. I hold no envy for the things others have experienced, that would claim their experience to be impossible.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Mickiel, why are you here? I mean on this debate forum. If you don't want to be in a debate, then why bother us with your opinions? .

Peace, is about respecting other people, not provoking them.

If people are not interested in my views, then why is this post over 4,000 views, and my other over 17,000? Explain that to me. When I withstand you Atheist, you always resort to asking me why I am here, why I do not debate( goodness, I have een debating here all year, but my debate is not like yours) then you insinuate my views bother people, just because they bother you.

It was you Atheist who drew firstblood with me. You stepped into my face first, I rarely comment on others post.

Peace.

 

[Diederick]

Continuing on the Atheist mind. Here again is a live example of what I call " Atheist Envy." Obviously God has not contacted them, so that means noboyelse has experienced it either. Because they have every right to be " Mentally aware of God" as anyonelse. Now God has never contacted me, or given me some kind of advanced mental powers, but I still believe him as the only alternitive. But just because I do not personally know God, does not mean I must then deny he exist.

I don't envy others who claim to know God, but I certainly have my suspictions that not all of them are telling the truth. And I suspect God exist, but I am not on a crusade to prove it to anyone, only to myself. I hold no envy for the things others have experienced, that would claim their experience to be impossible.

Peace.

You are now just talking at people, aren't you?

I don't think many atheists deny the existence of God. We just deem it so unlikely that we disregard the possibility of its existence.

And are you suggesting we might secretly know God exists but are just pretending so as to **** (<- urinate) him off?

And will you ever present any arguments or evidence, or will we just have to sit here and listen to your rambling?

If people are not interested in my views, then why is this post over 4,000 views, and my other over 17,000? Explain that to me.

I wasn't talking about the disinterest of others, I am talking about your disinterest in the opinions and thoughts of other people.

When I withstand you Atheist, you always resort to asking me why I am here, why I do not debate( goodness, I have een debating here all year, but my debate is not like yours) then you insinuate my views bother people, just because they bother you.

No, no, no. Debate is more than just throwing your opinion around. It is supposed to be constructive, backed up by arguments or preferably evidence. You are not debating. Try answering questions for a change, switch your viewpoint, show some empathy.

It was you Atheist who drew firstblood with me. You stepped into my face first, I rarely comment on others post.

Look, here's the deal. You post your thoughts on a DEBATE FORUM. What do people do on debate forums? They DEBATE. So if your opinion is contrary enough, people will comment on it, see if they can understand your viewpoint and let you see theirs. If you think that is offensive, you should think twice before posting here.

Peace.

And that really has lost all its meaning by now.

 

[mickiel]

But you are getting in people's faces, just flinging around your unsupported claims like a monkey does his poo. And you don't care, because apparently that is what you do. But please, don't do it on a forum, where people are supposed to DEBATE.

Peace, is about respecting other people, not provoking them.

This then is another characteristic of the Atheist, they are dissillusioned. They think God is an illusion, and they will find illusions in you just as well. Atheist here blindly claim I do not debate, goodness, I debate here everyday. Its just that I lead in my style of debate, I do not follow. I will answer only respectful inquirys and will ignore disrespect. Because of this they are under an illusion that I do not debate. Translation: they have run into something they cannot manipulate in conversation.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

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You post your thoughts on a DEBATE FORUM. What do people do on debate forums? They DEBATE. So if your opinion is contrary enough, people will comment on it, see if they can understand your viewpoint and let you see theirs. If you think that is offensive, you should think twice before posting here.
And that really has lost all its meaning by now.

Here again is the illusion in the Atheist mind. I have been debating this man for two hours, he thinks I am not debating. So he is suggesting that I should not be here. Translation again, my debate style is not pleasing to him, so I must leave, because his style allows people to stay. The Atheist mind really just wants others to prove God to them, I refuse to do as such. If God can give me belief, he can give it to the Atheist, I need not be involved in that. Atheist will try to chase you off just like they have God.

And I am only using examples that they have provided, as I said I would when I examine them.

Peace.

 

[Diederick]

Here again is the illusion in the Atheist mind. I have been debating this man for two hours, he thinks I am not debating. So he is suggesting that I should not be here. Translation again, my debate style is not pleasing to him, so I must leave, because his style allows people to stay. The Atheist mind really just wants others to prove God to them, I refuse to do as such. If God can give me belief, he can give it to the Atheist, I need not be involved in that. Atheist will try to chase you off just like they have God.

And I am only using examples that they have provided, as I said I would when I examine them.

Peace.

So, you're really here to show that atheists are deluded people who don't see God, and you don't care about anything else?

That would save me a lot of thinking... :beach:

 

[mickiel]

Here again is the illusion in the Atheist mind. I have been debating this man for two hours, he thinks I am not debating. So he is suggesting that I should not be here. Translation again, my debate style is not pleasing to him, so I must leave, because his style allows people to stay. The Atheist mind really just wants others to prove God to them, I refuse to do as such. If God can give me belief, he can give it to the Atheist, I need not be involved in that. Atheist will try to chase you off just like they have God.

And I am only using examples that they have provided, as I said I would when I examine them.

Peace.

Let me say something here, I really blame Christians for creating a certain mindset in Atheist that makes them think that one human can prove God exist to another, which is rubbish. The bible CLEARLY teachs that only God can open a human mind to him. What God has shut, nobody can open. Eccle. 7:13. You got these Christians running around thinking its their job to convert belief into others. This mindset has twisted both Christian and Atheist alike. Atheist are Atheist , because God wants them to be just that, conversely so it is with Christians.

God has not called me to convert others, I am not converted myself. God has not called me to convince others, I am having a hard enough time convincing myself. I am only human, I doubt God exist at times myself, but my times for believing he does, is far greater than those moments I do not. Debate is not about proving and convincing then to me, its about an exchange of views.

Peace

 

[mickiel]

So, you're really here to show that atheists are deluded people who don't see God, and you don't care about anything else?

That would save me a lot of thinking... :beach:

No, my topic was Romance being a proof of God, but you Atheist keep comming, so I will deal with your pressence and your desire to debate me. You accuse me of not speaking with you, well now I am, your the focus of my conversation now. If thats what you want, its what you now have. We can continue this as long as you please.

And I care about a lot of things, I just don't care to prove God to Atheist, or anyonelse for that matter. Only me do I prove.

Peace.

 

[Diederick]

Would you answer my question alright?

And if this whole thing is based on the Bible, boy, then this debate is over. The Bible is not evidence, it is no secret that it has been corrupted, that it is not a collection of eye-witness accounts as it claims to be and that it is therefore no grounds for any debate, but a biblical one, solely focusing on literature. That the point: THERE IS NO EVIDENCE. If there was evidence, there'd be something to talk about, but there plainly isn't. The fact that you keep ignoring this is painfully pathetic and I don't see why I keep wasting my time with you. You really don't understand, do you? You really don't understand why someone would want proof for something.

Your rejection of the concept of Hell should be proof enough to you that this is not the inerrant word of God we're talking about.

 

[mickiel]

Would you answer my question alright?

And if this whole thing is based on the Bible, boy, then this debate is over. The Bible is not evidence, it is no secret that it has been corrupted, that it is not a collection of eye-witness accounts as it claims to be and that it is therefore no grounds for any debate, but a biblical one, solely focusing on literature.

Your rejection of the concept of Hell should be proof enough to you that this is not the inerrant word of God we're talking about.

The bible is in no manner inerrant, it has many errors. You have Never, get this NEVER seen me claim the bible is without error. The bible is evidence " To Me", I am convinced of that, I just hold no need to convince others of that. I AM CONVINCED, it has convinced me. I have openly shared whatelse has convinced me, Archaeology, Atheist, Romance, the Universe, Cats, grass, human emotion, Consciousness, suffering, pain, My Mother, the human eye, science, all these things and hundreds more has contributed to my belief in God. If this is not enough, go to generalforum.com, the religion section, where I give a list of over 100 reasons why I believe in God.

Peace.

 

[Diederick]

The bible is in no manner inerrant, it has many errors. You have Never, get this NEVER seen me claim the bible is without error. The bible is evidence " To Me", I am convinced of that, I just hold no need to convince others of that. I AM CONVINCED, it has convinced me. I have openly shared whatelse has convinced me, Archaeology, Atheist, Romance, the Universe, Cats, grass, human emotion, Consciousness, suffering, pain, My Mother, the human eye, science, all these things and hundreds more has contributed to my belief in God. If this is not enough, go to generalforum.com, the religion section, where I give a list of over 100 reasons why I believe in God.

Peace.

So then, why is this thread here? To show that atheists are deluded people who don't see God and you simply couldn't care about what other people think of such a claim?

And could you tell me whether this is accurate or not:

Your method of 'debating' is stating your opinions regarding a matter, without any backing up of evidence; and just discrediting opposing arguments of other people by stating even more personal opinions of what you are "convinced" of.

 

[mickiel]

So then, why is this thread here? To show that atheists are deluded people who don't see God and you simply couldn't care about what other people think of such a claim?quote

This thread is not about Atheist, its about Romance being Proof of God. But often Atheist bull their way into a post that irritates them, and they have been comming at me so much here of late, I just decided to bull them a couple of days. I know I have been hard on them, could be harder, but I will get back on topic. I just don't like it when they get arrogant and several of them team up on me, so I have my ways of backing them off.

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So could you tell me whether this is accurate or not:

Your method of 'debating' is stating your opinions regarding a matter, without any backing up of evidence; and just discrediting opposing arguments of other people by stating even more personal opinions of what you are "convinced" of.

Yes, thats one way I debate, that is correct.

Peace.

 

[Diederick]

Thank you. That will be all.

 

[richardlowellt]

The bible is in no manner inerrant, it has many errors

I think at some point you might want to learn the english language, it will certainly make your time here go a little smoother. For your information---INERRANT----Incapable of being wrong. See how foolish your opening statement is, your saying it is not inerrant, but has many errors, you didn't know the meaning of inerrant. How can you possibly carry on an intelligent conversation if you don't know the meaning of the words you are using?

You have Never, get this NEVER seen me claim the bible is without error. The bible is evidence

So you are saying, the bible has errors, but it is evidence for you, right? How can something containing errors supply evidence?

where I give a list of over 100 reasons why I believe in God.

I'm sure anyone here could give you 100 reason why there is no God. I'll give you just one------not a shred of evidence!!!

 

[mickiel]

I think at some point you might want to learn the english language, it will certainly make your time here go a little smoother. For your information---INERRANT----Incapable of being wrong. See how foolish your opening statement is, your saying it is not inerrant, but has many errors, you didn't know the meaning of inerrant. How can you possibly carry on an intelligent conversation if you don't know the meaning of the words you are using?


So you are saying, the bible has errors, but it is evidence for you, right? How can something containing errors supply evidence?


!!!

I will answer none of your questions until you apoligise for your disrespect. I do not carry on mature conversations with those who disrespect me.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Thank you. That will be all.

Well thank you, I have enjoyed the conversation. You have shown respect and not stooped to insults , qualitys I rarely see in Atheist.

Peace.

 

[richardlowellt]

qualitys I rarely see in Atheist.

Opps, spelling again, qualities, glad to be of help!!

Peace.[/QUOTE]

 

[richardlowellt]

I will answer none of your questions until you apoligise for your disrespect. I do not carry on mature conversations with those who disrespect me.

Then why do you keep answering my posts, if I annoy you so disregard my posts, simple. I however will keep pointing out your unreasonable position, and uneducated views on the subject at hand.

Peace.