Mickiel's proof of God.

[TomTomCollier]

Oh, I forgot to add;

Some important things to understand about Evolution is that there is no particular direction, it is not nessercerily a process of going from simple to complex. Evolution can and does often go back and forth or simply not change at all, there are species of reptiles that havn't changed at all for millions of years becasue they have not been pressured to. And there are islands where Bats (mamals that have evolved to fly) in the very long absence of predators, crawl around on the floor chasing prey becasue they no longer need to fly, eventualy it is probable they will loose the ability to fly as a species, just like Penguins have. THERE IS NO ITELIGENCE BEHIND EVOLUTION (Or perhaps there is??? I'm guessing that will be Christians next amendment when they finaly face up to the irrefutable fact that Evolution is by miles the most probable theory we have today)

Another point that cannot be stressed enough is these changes in species happen over such a vastly long period that it borders upon in-comprehense-ability (although I'm risking sounding like a religeous zealot using a trump card).

Tom x

 

[mickiel]

mickiel, i don't undertand how you reconcile the existence of suffering in the world. would you mind explaining, please?

Well God wanted the suffering. Look, God planted a tree in the garden of Eden, called the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil. What this symbolizes is that God wanted confusion to always be on earth, he wanted humanity exposed to blessings and curses, peace and suffering, both sides of the experience. God wanted this for us. And its exactly what we all experience.

I think something very positive will come from it in eternity, that I just can't figure out now. Or God wouldnot have done it.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Oh, I forgot to add;

Some important things to understand about Evolution is that there is no particular direction, it is not nessercerily a process of going from simple to complex. Evolution can and does often go back and forth or simply not change at all, there are species of reptiles that havn't changed at all for millions of years becasue they have not been pressured to. And there are islands where Bats (mamals that have evolved to fly) in the very long absence of predators, crawl around on the floor chasing prey becasue they no longer need to fly, eventualy it is probable they will loose the ability to fly as a species, just like Penguins have. THERE IS NO ITELIGENCE BEHIND EVOLUTION (Or perhaps there is??? I'm guessing that will be Christians next amendment when they finaly face up to the irrefutable fact that Evolution is by miles the most probable theory we have today)

Another point that cannot be stressed enough is these changes in species happen over such a vastly long period that it borders upon in-comprehense-ability (although I'm risking sounding like a religeous zealot using a trump card).

Tom x

You see this answer is what I call " Complex Illusion", and thats what evolution is, complex illusion. Things don't evolve, they function as created too. Now I admit that God has created some animals that complettely change during their lifespan, such as Butterflies. But nothing has changed which was not meant to change, less than 7% of Gods creations go through changes from their original, even that shows that the vast majority of things remain constant.

From that 7%, evolutionist want to give the illusion that its 100 percent growth and change, which is seriously inncorrect.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

You are ignoring me when I ask you to show me what I did that warrants an apology. When you demand an apology and yet refuse to say what it is for, I get the feeling that you are just avoiding things.

As I have said countless times already - Show me what I said that calls for an apology and you will get one.

Alright Tiberius, I grow tired of this, I just don't feel like going back and finding it, just forget the apoligy, but may I request that if we must talk, keep it respectful, because I have a dog in me too that likes to bite. But I grew tired of that kind of exchange, thats WHY I think I can be so grumpy myself. I get tired of certain Atheist rambling off insults and sarcastic remarks on others personage, so I try to stop that nonsense, but its just become accepted nonsense to so many in conversations.

Peace.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

Of course there is a psychological factor, in fact, you could consider "the desire to remain with said partner" to be a superego factor.

I'll just string my thoughts together clearly,
Attraction is mainly the pleasure found in another person's chemical mixture, Romance is partly the cultural byproduct of the desire to keep company with a person who has a pleasing chemical mixture, the psychological factors that play into both romance and attraction are, in my opinion, heavily influenced by the culture in which a person was raised.

Hey Morse,

Thanks for your response.

Could you please go deeper into how culture affects romance and attraction as i haven't come across this theory yet.

Thanks,

-Q

 

[The Neo Nerd]

I agree that attraction is caused by a unique mix of chemical release, and all that is physical, but then our consciousness attaches itself to these reactions, and mixes our emotions with those two, and then you have complette function. The Consciousness, or the Spirit in the human, is still the central core. God is the creator of consciousness, thus anything that involves the Consciousness, such as Romance and Emotions, are proof of God.

Peace.

Hardly,

Emotions are a by product of hormones.

-Q

 

[mickiel]

My unbelief? I don't believe in God as some sadist masoginist like some people do.

Lack of belief will never be a proof for God. You can't prove something that is not there to be proven.

All things are a result of God, it is impossible NOT to prove God! Everything exist because of God, that makes avialible an unlimited resource of proofs. Its simple mathmatics, he created everything, thus everything is a proof of him. I could list proofs of God, different ones, every single day for the next 50 years, and never run short on proofs. And I already know this to be true, it would be like taking candy from a baby.

Is just that people don't see it as proof, which is why I am set on satisfying myself.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Hardly,

Emotions are a by product of hormones.

-Q

Hormones are a byproduct of God.

Peace.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

Hormones are a byproduct of God.

Peace.

BWAHAHAHAHA

For that argument to work you would have to prove that god created humans.

Are you able to do that?

-Q

 

[mickiel]

Come Atheist come, with your presence you continually reinforce my belief in who has confounded you so strongly.

Come Atheist come, and bring with you your denial of our orgin.

Come Atheist come, you prodical sons of the Living God, who's destiny is to live forever.

Come Atheist come, travel the road of preplanted seeds in your consciousness.

Come Atheist come, and I will be there with you all the way.

Peace.

Come Atheist come, and bring your minds to the table. You have accepted your denial of God, its your personal Label.

Come Atheist come, you know its fair game, its your decision to bring things that are Lame.

Come Atheist come, you proof of God for all that can see, you simply forget what we all are destined to be.

Come Atheist come, your place at the table is predestined and set, it no longer matters what conversation from you we will get.

Come Atheist come, take you place, even those who deny God will be a part of the new race.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

BWAHAHAHAHA

For that argument to work you would have to prove that god created humans.

Are you able to do that?

-Q

I did it to myself and I value that. What I prove to myself is of vast more importance than what is being proved to others. It has to start with me, I need to be convinced, I do not hold a need to convince others. I need the wall removed, I need the blindness taken away, I need the full assurance, proof is my personal need.

And I do not mind sharing the fulfilling of my needs.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

I have been examing and defining consciousness all during this thread. Just read it, search through it and study it, the definitions are there.

Peace.

Better stated, search the thread on Consciousness, another proof of God, I will be throwing out tidbids here and there throughout the rest of this year. Our Consciousness is VERY well " Ordered", very, very well. Our own consciousness is so well defined, that we ourselves can " Order it ourselves." Fine tune it , if you will. So well ordered, that we ourselves can continue to order it.

This is what is amazing about God, he can create things, and then give those things the power to create, simply amazing powerful talent that exist in God.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

 

[Venatoris]

You see this answer is what I call " Complex Illusion", and thats what evolution is, complex illusion. Things don't evolve, they function as created too. Now I admit that God has created some animals that complettely change during their lifespan, such as Butterflies. But nothing has changed which was not meant to change, less than 7% of Gods creations go through changes from their original, even that shows that the vast majority of things remain constant.

From that 7%, evolutionist want to give the illusion that its 100 percent growth and change, which is seriously inncorrect.

Peace.

This 7% you speak of, are you talking about caterpillar to butterfly, tadpole to frog, and other similar changes?

 

[mickiel]

The standard that you set for others to communicate with you, only defines you more. By your standards you are judged. We can actually dictate how others communicate with us, by the standards we set for ourselves. God remains silent, but he has not set a standard for us not to communicate with him, he never has said don't talk to him. He left that open. Prayer is our opportunity to actually speak to God, we may not get anything back, but we are granted the right to speak our piece. And I respect that from him, he could have closed it off from all sides. That granted open right we have, is a proof of God.

Peace.

 

[tumbleweed41]

which is why I am set on satisfying myself.

Peace.

You might want to lock the door first....

 

[mickiel]

This 7% you speak of, are you talking about caterpillar to butterfly, tadpole to frog, and other similar changes?

Yes, a very small percentage of things change like that, as compared to the whole. Now if this percentage was inverted and the majority of things went through whole metaphysical change, then evolution wouldnot be a theory. it would be a reality factoid. And I would accept it myself. When a theory is accepted, then proof was accepted, OR, no other theory was accepted but that which the consciousness can personally handle. Many people cannot " Handle there being a God", its just not real to them, and I understand that all too well.

A Super Powered God, such a thing does not seem real, at first glance. Theory cannot exist on first glance, which is why we demand more proof, which in itself is a right thing to do. Its just that God has not accepted the demand from humans to provide all proofs to all people at the same time, another " Mystery about God." And hes not budging from that stance.

But that figures to me, hes a God! He does what he wants to do, and how and when he wants, and sadly, its nothing any of us can do about this.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

You might want to lock the door first....

I was born with the door locked, as were all humans. We were not made privy to God, he actually shut the door to himself when he created humanity. And thats why theorys like Evolution evolved within humanity, we had to figure things out for ourselves. So many of us, " Jacked off our belief in God", and start pleasuring our own imaginations about how we got here.

This is why I believe in the Total Rehabilitation of all of humanity, because it was God who blinded us. Why would he blind us, then judge us according to how we grouped in the darkness? Create me, blind me, expose me to the Darkness, then judge me according to how I find the Light, and if I do not find it, then condemn me to the Darkness forever? That is utter nonsense and does not explain what God really is. Love does not do that without Righteous cause. If God is Righteous, then all he does will result in Righteousness.

So our destiny, in my view, is to be set on the right path, and Jesus being sacrificed I think is the foundation of our future destiny with God being set and sealed.

Peace.

 

[Morse]

Hey Morse,

Thanks for your response.

Could you please go deeper into how culture affects romance and attraction as i haven't come across this theory yet.

Thanks,

-Q

I don't think Romance affects initial attraction, as a vast majority of humans are built in the same manner (give or take the mutations, variations, and other such variables that occur). Thus, every human experiences attraction in the same manner.

But the way that humans act upon that attraction, the way the counterpart views those actions, the courtship, and the maintenance of this attraction (I.E - The Romance) is a largely cultural in my opinion.

There are two core reasons I believe this: The fact that every human is built the same, and examination of trends.

Since we know that every human is built with the same biological functions (this is disregarding the differences between females and males for a few seconds), we also know that every human experiences the same chemical attraction.
But it is obvious that not every human acts on this attraction in the same manner. Thee way they act upon it seems to depend upon their cultural background and psychological state (so yes, this is admitting that psychology is a factor here). A person's psychological state is also affected by their culture, for example, there are far less serial killers in Mexico because of the culture. It is a fact that many serial killers are sociopaths who are emotionally catatonic. This is an example of how the culture affects the psychology. The same applies to Romance.

Imagine this like a painting, the culture would set the general tone and background, while the individuals psychology would modify and flesh out what the culture has given them.

The second reason I say that Romance is cultural, is the examination of trends. Its simple, examine courtship and romance in 1809, 1909, then 2009. The trends in romance you will see are radical. There used to be large factors like public approval, arranged marriage, and the general modesty of women and the politeness of men. Now the cultural phenomenon of courtship is much laxer, and those same factors that were pressured in are absent.

Now after typing this, I would conclude that culture and psychology are very closely linked. The psychological factors in the Victorian Era were definitely different from todays, and so was the culture.

Now here's another good question, is it the psychology that changes the culture or the culture that changes the psychology?

Or is it just a vicious cycle?

 

[Morse]

I agree that attraction is caused by a unique mix of chemical release, and all that is physical, but then our consciousness attaches itself to these reactions, and mixes our emotions with those two, and then you have complette function. The Consciousness, or the Spirit in the human, is still the central core. God is the creator of consciousness, thus anything that involves the Consciousness, such as Romance and Emotions, are proof of God.

Peace.

Elaborate on how 'God' created consciousness.

Oh, and I've noticed you continually refer to said higher power as 'He'. I do not feel comfortable attributing a gender to a higher power such as 'God' (I also don't like that name, as its very restricting).

 

[Morse]

Everything is proof of God, he made everything, thus all things are proof of him.

Peace.

I still don't understand.