Are you kidding?
Do you say that to liberals only?
Have not read some of the comments coming from other conservatives?
Are you that delusional to think that you're being open minded and less agenda driven, yourself?
Please...
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Migrant children say they've been forcibly drugged, handcuffed, and abused
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Are you kidding?
Do you say that to liberals only?
Have not read some of the comments coming from other conservatives?
Are you that delusional to think that you're being open minded and less agenda driven, yourself?
Please...
I treat people as individuals.
My post was an appropriate response to yours alone.
“The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”
- Dante Alighieri
Not that I believe in hell, but just a thought to mull over.
Shad
Veteran Member
There are several misdemeanors which carry sentences. Class A a year or less, Class B 6 months to 3 months, Class C 3 months or less. This various from state to state and federal levels while also varying over what classification a crime falls under. Also these typical carry fines which those in detentions can not pay. Fines are used when sentences are not.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Obviously paid by George Soros just to discredit Trump
Sure, but usually with these kinds of crimes the officials are allowed to employ some discretion.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
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I am sure the great Italian poet appreciates your assistance
Shad
Veteran Member
Discretion is usually based on the crime itself and the chances of prosecution in the case of LEO. Judges in sentencing can use the event of the crime and other circumstances to hand down high or lower sentences. So it depends on a number of factors in normal cases not merely an officers opinion.
In this case under the policy (before the EO) I think discretion was restricted by both internal and administration policy aimed at specific options as priorities.
Asking asylum shouldn’t be any sort of crime. If Trump wants to close the border that’s his right as being in charge of security, then just deport everyone back, but he would rather hold the entire family indefinitely for a non-crime.
Yes, that is exactly what happened and what created this crisis.
And of course it is still happening even after the EO. The EO did not end the zero tolerance policy.
If you think that the border officials need to be more strick, that might be a reasonable discussion. But to tie their hands the way this policy does is disastrous.
Shad
Veteran Member
It's not. They are being charged with entry violations. This is conflict of laws and which has priority.
Shad
Veteran Member
The EO was just for optics, nothing more.
This policy and it's goal into forcing issues on to Dems backfired in the most spectacular way. However reform is needed rather than merely policy change and have for decades.
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
If true, it is a problem. What specific drugs for what specific purpose? If without a doctor's orders, how was a prescription obtained for the drugs? If it involved a doctor, what was the diagnosed condition being treated? Were the drugs and dosages appropriate for the age of the child and the condition being treated? What specific abuse as occurred? Specifically who handcuffed who? I'm not exactly pushing back, but I'm not seeing any substance yet.
Edit: The link to the article didn't work awhile ago. Now it's working. You can click on a link in the article and see prescriptions for the children which seem a bit heavy-handed, but I don't know....I'm not a physician. My wife is a nurse, but not in psychiatric care. I'l see if she has any input when she gets home.
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Trumps zero tolerance policy makes asylum seeking illegal.
Getting Asylum Is A Lot Harder Under Trump's New "Zero Tolerance" Policy
Shad
Veteran Member
No it doesn't. Read your own link.
I read it, thanks. If it isn’t then there is no reason to send them to federal prisons which they are doing.
Vigil held for 123 asylum seekers at Oregon federal prison in Sheridan
Trumps new executive order puts the nail on that.
Bear in mind that I only said (in so many words) that
no one would argue against any stance I've taken.
I've decried the treatment described in the article.
I'm sure you agree.
But there are other aspects of the situation which require more thought.
"Taking a firm stand without due consideration is flirting with evil." - Anonymous Revoltistanian jerk.
I agree. If we broaden our discussion to incorporate the immigration policy at large, there is a lot of complexity there. I don't envy the think-tanks behind it
Now there is the Quetzal I've come to know