Migrants with child brides

[Spiderman]

"Should a 14-year-old married girl who migrates to Europe be viewed as a child - or a spouse?

The issue has put European governments in a spin: forcing a policy U-turn in Denmark, new legislation in the Netherlands and an agonised debate in Germany."
Migrant child brides put Europe in a spin

So, should nations accept and permit migrants to continue having sexual relations with minors, when it is against the law to do so?

 

[Spiderman]

It's not an easy position to be in. Some of these minors already have children. But if you start making exceptions to your laws in order to accommodate refugees, where does a person draw the line?

 

[Anthem]

It isn't up to the government to "stop someone from having sexual relations" but generally child brids are recognized as children and so they should be appointed a guardian, I guess.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It isn't up to the government to "stop someone from having sexual relations" but generally child brids are recognized as children and so they should be appointed a guardian, I guess.

The state has a duty to protect children and uphold the law. If you come to a country, you should conform to the laws of said country, not try to change it to your liking. It's like how I would never move to Saudi Arabia because it's a brutal hellhole.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

It isn't up to the government to "stop someone from having sexual relations" ...

In what sense do you mean that?
There are all sorts of laws against particular sexual acts, or around what constitutes informed consent, or around whether you can have relations with first cousins, etc.

Some of the laws, admittedly, are anachronisms, never enforced.
Some others are unenforceable due to being over-ruled by the Supreme Court (eg. laws in Oklahoma against oral sex)
But that is far from universally true.

 

[Anthem]

In what sense do you mean that?
There are all sorts of laws against particular sexual acts, or around what constitutes informed consent, or around whether you can have relations with first cousins, etc.

Some of the laws, admittedly, are anachronisms, never enforced.
Some others are unenforceable due to being over-ruled by the Supreme Court (eg. laws in Oklahoma against oral sex)
But that is far from universally true.

Because in case the two want to sleep together they wont be monitored for it.

 

[Anthem]

The state has a duty to protect children and uphold the law. If you come to a country, you should conform to the laws of said country, not try to change it to your liking. It's like how I would never move to Saudi Arabia because it's a brutal hellhole.

So?

 

[Subduction Zone]

The state has a duty to protect children and uphold the law. If you come to a country, you should conform to the laws of said country, not try to change it to your liking. It's like how I would never move to Saudi Arabia because it's a brutal hellhole.

this is a rather sticky problem. Many of these child brides do not want to be separated from their husbands. It also appears, at least in the examples sited, that these are not creepy old men, but men in their twenties generally. What do you do it the bride has had children and she thinks of all of them as a family? It is not a problem that I would want to try to solve.

 

[Notanumber]

"Should a 14-year-old married girl who migrates to Europe be viewed as a child - or a spouse?

The issue has put European governments in a spin: forcing a policy U-turn in Denmark, new legislation in the Netherlands and an agonised debate in Germany."
Migrant child brides put Europe in a spin

So, should nations accept and permit migrants to continue having sexual relations with minors, when it is against the law to do so?

It is two years since this was reported and I wonder what, if anything has been done about it. It will be just something else to be swept under the carpet. Nothing to see here; move along.

This is the problem when two cultures collide.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

So?

So no child brides.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

this is a rather sticky problem. Many of these child brides do not want to be separated from their husbands. It also appears, at least in the examples sited, that these are not creepy old men, but men in their twenties generally. What do you do it the bride has had children and she thinks of all of them as a family? It is not a problem that I would want to try to solve.

It is a tricky problem but I think the law should be upheld. I don't want the law to be watered so others start getting funny ideas. I'm not saying the children should automatically be taken away, though. That's going too far.

 

[Anthem]

It is two years since this was reported and I wonder what, if anything has been done about it. It will be just something else to be swept under the carpet. Nothing to see here; move along.

This is the problem when two cultures collide.

Actually it's the problem when two different law systems collide

 

[oldbadger]

"Should a 14-year-old married girl who migrates to Europe be viewed as a child - or a spouse?

The issue has put European governments in a spin: forcing a policy U-turn in Denmark, new legislation in the Netherlands and an agonised debate in Germany."
Migrant child brides put Europe in a spin

So, should nations accept and permit migrants to continue having sexual relations with minors, when it is against the law to do so?

Some European countries were discussing whether to allow men with more than one wife to enter their domains, a year or two ago, but of course husbands can come to the UK as tourists with several wives, they just cannot marry 'em here.

I thought that some US States will allow 14yr olds to marry under some circumstances?

Certainly nobody should try to separate a 14yr old wife from either her child or her husband....... anybody doing that is a total control freak who shouldn't have such powers.

 

[Anthem]

Some European countries were discussing whether to allow men with more than one wife to enter their domains, a year or two ago, but of course husbands can come to the UK as tourists with several wives, they just cannot marry 'em here.

Islamic marriage should be possible.

Certainly nobody should try to separate a 14yr old wife from either her child or her husband....... anybody doing that is a total control freak who shouldn't have such powers.

Yes........ how obscene....​

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Islamic marriage should be possible.

They can shack up with whomever they please but it shouldn't be legally recognized if it goes against the law.

 

[Anthem]

They can shack up with whomever they please but it shouldn't be legally recognized if it goes against the law.

No. I don't believe UK recognizes Islamic marriage but I'm not sure.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Because in case the two want to sleep together they wont be monitored for it.

Sorry, I have no idea what you mean.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Certainly nobody should try to separate a 14yr old wife from either her child or her husband....... anybody doing that is a total control freak who shouldn't have such powers.

Interesting take.
I understand (and agree) about the issues of separating a 14 year old from her child.
How do you rationalise leaving the 14 year old with her husband (assuming the husband is substantially older...let's say in his 30's for the sake of argument)?

 

[England my lionheart]

Easy answer is to not let them in.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Easy answer is to not let them in.

Or let the girl and her child in but not the pedo husband. I'm not without my kindness and sympathy.