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Actually the world respects those very much

I wish that were true
The USA, Russia. China and Israel tend to ignore every resolution that goes against them or their wishes.
Trump has consistently derided them.

 

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I wish that were true
The USA, Russia. China and Israel tend to ignore every resolution that goes against them or their wishes.
Trump has consistently derided them.

There is more to world than Trump, the Kremlin and China's politics. And of course than Israel.

 

[Shad]

No one respects the resolutions and conventions because it has no power to apply its sanctions.
However countries do use those same resolutions to justify their own military and economic actions against other countries.
The USA are perhaps the biggest offender.

Sure I think this is very true at times. On the flip side America does far more than it's far share in aid programs. The fact is I think a lot of nations let the US do this as the UN would collapse with US funding and support. After all how many nations have left in protest over US actions? Zero.

 

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After all how many nations have left in protest over US actions? Zero.

Why would anyone leave in protest over US actions?

 

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Why would anyone leave in protest over US actions?

I was pointing out US actions are tolerable as no one is leaving in protest over any actions of the US. If US actions were so important nations would have done more than talk and send mean letters.

 

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I was pointing out US actions are tolerable as no one is leaving in protest over any actions of the US. If US actions were so important nations would have done more than talk and send mean letters.

I think you're unnecessarily placing US in the centre of it all.

I was asking why they would leave. I can't see it coming so to speak. Besides, US is itself withdrawing from UN - which is no reason for others to leave.

 

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I think you're unnecessarily placing US in the centre of it all.

No I was responding to a comment about the US. Russia and China are major violators as well

I was asking why they would leave.

Abuses of veto power for national interest.

My overall point is corruption in the UN is acceptable by members. Hence why nations just grumble but never do anything.

I can't see it coming so to speak.

For most nations the UN gives them access to power their nations would never have without it. OIC bloc voting for example turn a collection of minor nations into a more powerful group.

Besides, US is itself withdrawing from UN - which is no reason for others to leave.

Other nations may leave especially minor powers aligned with the US. The US provides the majority of UN funding which I doubt will be picked up by other nations. The UN loses it's major source of military power which the EU can not replace at this time. China and Russia never took part in major peace keeping missions as a major partner so I doubt will start now. Without the US the threat of force the UN as no power to enforce much of anything.

 

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My overall point is corruption in the UN is acceptable by members. Hence why nations just grumble but never do anything.

You use the word corruption here, but I don't see why. Not following the rules of UN isn't something I see as corruption, it's like saying a disobedient child is corrupted. So unless you're speaking of the satan corrupting him, it sounds silly to me.

As UN sets guidelines rather than laws it is natural it has to be flexible with people and nations trying to reach those guidlines - saying that breaking them is acceptable is just purposefully manipulating words.

For most nations the UN gives them access to power their nations would never have without it. OIC bloc voting for example turn a collection of minor nations into a more powerful group.

Quite. So why leave? Especially if US turns into a monster that can no longer be trusted to be reasonable.

Other nations may leave especially minor powers aligned with the US.

Such as? (Following US)

The US provides the majority of UN funding

I'm sure you mean that US has been contributing more than any other nation to the UN (about a fifth) - which doesn't make the majority - which is the case.

The UN loses it's major source of military power which the EU can not replace at this time. China and Russia never took part in major peace keeping missions as a major partner so I doubt will start now. Without the US the threat of force the UN as no power to enforce much of anything.

How much military do you think they need? They are on a peace keeping mission. They have troops from over 100 countries. The biggest problem when it comes to that would be to the US.

What enforcing anything has to do with all that I don't know.

 

[Shad]

You use the word corruption here but I don't see why. Not following the rules of UN isn't something ai see as corruption , it's like saying a disobedient child is corrupted. So unless you're speaking of the satan corrupting him, it sounds silly to me.

Corruption is fitting. Abuse of the veto for national goals and using the system to target enemies while not holding to said system when they happened to be the target.

As UN sets guidelines rather than laws it is natural it has to be flexible with people and nations trying to reach those guidlines - saying braking them is acceptable is just purposefully manipulating words.

Nope. As various nations are never punished for their many violations corruption is acceptable by member states. Such as KSA being on the Human Rights Council for a charter they never signed while being one of those worst violators of said charter. More so I do not think many nations are trying to reach those guidelines as all. I think they pay lip service and nothing more.

Quite. So why leave? Especially if US turns into a monster that can no longer be trusted to be reasonable.

As the UN is toothless and in the face of issues most nations will side with the US just based on economic reasons alone

Such as? (Following US)

Some of the minor states such as those in the "coalition of the willing". It is not like I expect the EU to jump ship. Canada could at a later date depending on what happens with trade relations. Canada can not afford to lose the American market.

 

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Corruption is fitting. Abuse of the veto for national goals and using the system to target enemies while not holding to said system when they happened to be the target.



Nope. As various nations are never punished for their many violations corruption is acceptable by member states. Such as KSA being on the Human Rights Council for a charter they never signed while being one of those worst violators of said charter. More so I do not think many nations are trying to reach those guidelines as all. I think they pay lip service and nothing more.



As the UN is toothless and in the face of issues most nations will side with the US just based on economic reasons alone



Some of the minor states such as those in the "coalition of the willing". It is not like I expect the EU to jump ship. Canada could at a later date depending on what happens with trade relations. Canada can not afford to lose the American market.

Canada? Link? I found absolutely nothing to support that. Any other actual places you can name?

 

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Canada? Link?

Start here

OEC - Canada (CAN) Exports, Imports, and Trade Partners
https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c1220.html
https://www.trademap.org/Index.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1

Canada is at this time is joined at the hip with the US economy.

Any other actual places you can name?

Mexico, Canada for starters. Like I said it depends on what happens with trade, toss in the economy as well. If the US left the UN the global economy would crash as so many international trade treaties are based UN agreements. This would put enormous pressure on nations to create new treaties asap. The US would suffer as well. Keep in mind this is a hypothetical. Trump won't as he directly benefits from global treaty via the UN. Like I said breaking the rules is acceptable in the UN as the risk/reward dynamic are too high on a global and nation scale when it comes to powers like the US.

 

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Start here

OEC - Canada (CAN) Exports, Imports, and Trade Partners
Foreign Trade - U.S. Trade with Canada
Trade Map - Trade statistics for international business development

Canada is at this time is joined at the hip with the US economy.



Mexico, Canada for starters. Like I said it depends on what happens with trade, toss in the economy as well. If the US left the UN the global economy would crash as so many international trade treaties are based UN agreements. This would put enormous pressure on nations to create new treaties asap. The US would suffer as well. Keep in mind this is a hypothetical. Trump won't as he directly benefits from global treaty via the UN. Like I said breaking the rules is acceptable in the UN as the risk/reward dynamic are too high on a global and nation scale when it comes to powers like the US.

But you can't explain how it would supposedly affect the economy?

I find absolutely nothing regarding mexico either. Not even a hint.

 

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But you can't explain how it would supposedly affect the economy?

Yes I did. Trade treaties via the UN are null and void. More so having the largest economy and only world power pulling out the UN would set stock markets off. The last recession was caused by a few banks. What do you think will happen when the US pulls out of the largest economic pact on the planet?

I find absolutely nothing regarding mexico either. Not even a hint.

Use the site tools as provided. Literally one lets you select by nation and filter trade. F for effort.

 

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Yes I did. Trade treaties via the UN are null and void. More so having the largest economy and only world power pulling out the UN would set stock markets off. The last recession was caused by a few banks. What do you think will happen when the US pulls out of the largest economic pact on the planet?



Use the site tools as provided. Literally one lets you select by nation and filter trade. F for effort.

Specific treaties. If you know so well I'm sure you can be specific. I really am not interested enough to go through all the info to find something only you claim is there. I tried finding correlation to the so called crash and separation from UN but the search engine has not heard of such a thing....

 

[Shad]

Specific treaties.

Two of the most recent. Toss in nuclear treaties as well. Without the US various nations will restart armament as the US is the only power willing to take action.

UN Arms Treaty
International Treaty on Plant Genetic Resources for Food and Agriculture

UNTC

I really am not interested enough to go through all the info to find something only you claim is there.

Obviously you can not be bother to click a drop down menu.

I tried finding correlation to the so called crash and separation from UN but the search engine has not heard of such a thing....

Nonsense.