Migrants with child brides

[Shad]

Let me quote part of that link, it shows that the victim would be between 14-17 years and the other partner must be no more than 4 years older.

Yes. Hence I said similar. I do not support the 4 year limit.

But in the UK, I can tell you that a 20+ 30+ 40+ years old person can have a sexual relationship with a consenting 16yr old in the UK, so you can see how different our laws are in the West. A 17yr old here is a child, and our child brides can marry any age with parental consent.

Messed up if people are in relationships at 30-40 and up with 17 year olds.

We don't allow your Romeo Juliet laws here, but would we understand if an 'R&L' couple came here for a holiday?

No exemption from the law.

Here is an example of diplomatic understanding being needed between countries, especially where genuine couples are running for their safety.

21 year olds married to 14 years olds can flee to Jordan, Turkey, etc, etc.

 

[oldbadger]

Messed up if people are in relationships at 30-40 and up with 17 year olds..

Not necessarily.......
If the marriage survives, and such marriages can, by the time the 17yr old is 47-50yrs the husband would be 60-70 yrs old. No probs.

My Paternal Grandmother was 20 yrs younger than her husband, my Grandfather....

 

[Katzpur]

There is a group of "radical LDS" (I do not know what you would call them) in a town called Bountiful (I messed up the name). They practice polygamy and abused young women and girls with the marriage arrangements. It has links with Jeff Warren as a leader. The group has been under investigation in Canada and the US for their "family" practices for years.

Okay, you're talking about the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (or FLDS). They are a splinter group that broke away from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They're completely separate from us.

 

[Shad]

Not necessarily.......
If the marriage survives, and such marriages can, by the time the 17yr old is 47-50yrs the husband would be 60-70 yrs old. No probs.

My Paternal Grandmother was 20 yrs younger than her husband, my Grandfather....

Was this relationship when he was 34 and she was 14?

 

[Shad]

Okay, you're talking about the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (or FLDS). They are a splinter group that broke away from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They're completely separate from us.

I assumed the group was excommunicated, or whatever term you would use, given the ideas and actions the group has promoted and arrested for. Toss in the cult of personality(s) around the leaders as well.

 

[Katzpur]

I assumed the group was excommunicated, or whatever term you would use, given the ideas and actions the group has promoted and arrested for. Toss in the cult of personality(s) around the leaders as well.

Well, you've apparently assumed wrong.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I do not have a problem with a couple legally married in their own country coming to the UK, what ever their age.
However I would not let them or anyone else Marry here, whilst under age.
I would simply respect the status quo.
After all the partners in such marriages soon become old enough to be married here anyway.

There are always problems in the legality of personal relations as to marriage and divorce between countries, and more recently that include differences in gender laws.

 

[ajay0]

What in your opinion is the minimum age for a person to marry?

Imho, it is not just the minimum age, but one must also take into account the physiological and psychological health of the person involved.

Anaemia is considered a major factor in high maternal mortality rates among pregnant mothers.Underaged women may not be well-equipped mentally and intellectually to deal with the demands of growing children.

Imo, 28-35 maybe a appropriate time for women to marry and have kids in a healthy context.

 

[oldbadger]

Imho, it is not just the minimum age, but one must also take into account the physiological and psychological health of the person involved.

Oh Blimey!
Folks will be needing a doctor's certificate for marriage next....

Anaemia is considered a major factor in high maternal mortality rates among pregnant mothers.Underaged women may not be well-equipped mentally and intellectually to deal with the demands of growing children.

Intellectually? Mentally? Hmmmm...... Let's hope that your opnions don't get a chance to control when fols can marry, eh?

Imo, 28-35 maybe a appropriate time for women to marry and have kids in a healthy context.

Appropriate..... for women.
Many women don't want kids........btw
I have known women who are proud grandmothers at 34 yrs, so your timeline is a bit stretched in their opinions, I'd expect.

 

[Anthem]

Imo, 28-35 maybe a appropriate time for women to marry and have kids in a healthy context.

Medically speaking the helathiest time is around 20 years of age.

 

[Anthem]

Anaemia is considered a major factor in high maternal mortality rates among pregnant mothers

What has that got to do with it?

A pregnant woman should also stop smoking.

 

[Shad]

Well, you've apparently assumed wrong.

What sort of separation is in place between the LDS Church and FLDS? There must be some sort lest there legal backlash due to FLDS action.

 

[Shad]

I do not have a problem with a couple legally married in their own country coming to the UK, what ever their age.
However I would not let them or anyone else Marry here, whilst under age.
I would simply respect the status quo.
After all the partners in such marriages soon become old enough to be married here anyway.

So let ignore statutory rape, consent, age and co-habitation laws for one group but enforce it on everyone else.

 

[Katzpur]

What sort of separation is in place between the LDS Church and FLDS? There must be some sort lest there legal backlash due to FLDS action.

The separation is the same as between any two different denominations. It's essentially the same kind of separation that exists between Catholicism and Lutheranism (except that, obviously, Lutherans are not fundamentalist, polygamist nut jobs like the FLDS). Catholicism was the "Mother Church" and Lutheranism split off from it some 500 years ago and became a denomination in its own right. The two belief systems (i.e. Catholicism and Lutheranism) may have some things in common, but for all intents and purposes, they are entirely distinct from one another. Nobody just thinks that Lutherans are a subset within Catholicism.

The names of the two "Mormon-related" groups (LDS and FLDS) may be more similar than "Catholic" and "Lutheran" but I can assure you that the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is not just a subset of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

 

[Jane.Doe]

What sort of separation is in place between the LDS Church and FLDS? There must be some sort lest there legal backlash due to FLDS action.

They are two churches that have zero to do with each other nowadays. Kind of like the Westboro Baptists and 'normal' Baptists churches.

 

[Shad]

The separation is the same as between any two different denominations. It's essentially the same kind of separation that exists between Catholicism and Lutheranism (except that, obviously, Lutherans are not fundamentalist, polygamist nut jobs like the FLDS). Catholicism was the "Mother Church" and Lutheranism split off from it some 500 years ago and became a denomination in its own right. The two belief systems (i.e. Catholicism and Lutheranism) may have some things in common, but for all intents and purposes, they are entirely distinct from one another. Nobody just thinks that Lutherans are a subset within Catholicism.

The names of the two "Mormon-related" groups (LDS and FLDS) may be more similar than "Catholic" and "Lutheran" but I can assure you that the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is not just a subset of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

They are two churches that have zero to do with each other nowadays. Kind of like the Westboro Baptists and 'normal' Baptists churches.

Thanks for the info.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

So let ignore statutory rape, consent, age and co-habitation laws for one group but enforce it on everyone else.

I ignore nothing.
But one way or another we do have to respect the laws of other nations, just as they have to respect ours.

 

[Shad]

I ignore nothing.
But one way or another we do have to respect the laws of other nations, just as they have to respect ours.

You must ignore those laws to bring in adults married to children. They will live together, they will have sex, etc. Try again.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

You must ignore those laws to bring in adults married to children. They will live together, they will have sex, etc. Try again.

They are married under laws which regard them as adults at that age.
How do you suggest we change those laws? Go to war?

We might not like the laws of other countries but we have to respect them.
Some states in the USA allowed marriage at 14.
Only a hundred or so years ago it was common in most countries, some of your ancestors would have married and had children that age. Do you intend to disown them?

 

[Anthem]

They are married under laws which regard them as adults at that age.
How do you suggest we change those laws? Go to war?

We might not like the laws of other countries but we have to respect them.

We are already trying to change them. A lot is going on in such countries that allow child brides, to do away with that permit and to create ways to ensure it cannot be done. But it is a difficult process. And little is spoken about it in the western media.