Migrants with child brides

[Anthem]

Which part is BS? The Quran has more gruesome hateful versus than that.

The interpretation of it.

And also def the claim that the muslims become allies to christians

 

[ajay0]

"Should a 14-year-old married girl who migrates to Europe be viewed as a child - or a spouse?

The issue has put European governments in a spin: forcing a policy U-turn in Denmark, new legislation in the Netherlands and an agonised debate in Germany."
Migrant child brides put Europe in a spin

So, should nations accept and permit migrants to continue having sexual relations with minors, when it is against the law to do so?

Which unfortunate country will consent to migrant minors having sexual relations in the name of 'marriage' !!

Even in the case of the husbands being in their twenties, I don't think this is a healthy practice.

I remember reading in the newspapers about an underage girl in Yemen, who died of internal injuries after her 'husband' consummated the 'marriage'. Gross.

Yemeni child bride, eight, 'dies on wedding night'

 

[oldbadger]

Plus, Europeans are very evil. Who in their right mind would want to live with them?

They're lovely. Really. My wife is European and I love living with her.

 

[stvdv]

"Should a 14-year-old married girl who migrates to Europe be viewed as a child - or a spouse?

The issue has put European governments in a spin: forcing a policy U-turn in Denmark, new legislation in the Netherlands and an agonised debate in Germany."
Migrant child brides put Europe in a spin

So, should nations accept and permit migrants to continue having sexual relations with minors, when it is against the law to do so?

If a government can't solve this problem before letting them in, they will not be able to handle it "properly" after letting them in.

 

[stvdv]

The state has a duty to protect children and uphold the law. If you come to a country, you should conform to the laws of said country, not try to change it to your liking. It's like how I would never move to Saudi Arabia because it's a brutal hellhole.

I agree, if people come as a guest they should obey the laws of the country.
The law is there for everyone. And it is an easy test whether or not to allow them in our country

Anyway, if I remember well, it is exactly the Muslims who criticize the west for being to easy going with sex
Must be quite a mirror they face now, seeing themselves having sex with a minor.

I think Islam can learn something from the West when it comes to sex.
At least we protect children from having sex (at least the law tries this)
they should be very happy to see we have such a nice and strict rule to protect girls

 

[stvdv]

Here you are with your bs again.
Spreading misinformation with an air innocence..

I don't see BS here. I am more into reality than you are it seems to me.

Just for fun, you try going to a Muslim country and live the western way. Within a few days you will be behind bars or hanged.

So if Muslims impose their laws on us, they should be not hypocritical about it when we impose our laws on them

 

[Anthem]

I don't see BS here.

Open your eyes.

 

[Anthem]

If a government can't solve this problem before letting them in, they will not be able to handle it "properly" after letting them in.

You can read from the governments's pages about how they hanlde it so you don't have make things up.

 

[stvdv]

Which means she will continue to suffer what we would constitute as statutory rape, but it's not inside our borders, so not our problem?
[edit] Sorry, that sounds more judgey that I meant it to...I think this issue is a little tricky, actually.[/edit]

It is tricky indeed, considering Islam is roughly 2 billion people, so it is also judgmental if we call this statutory rape and call them rapists
We don't want Islam to impose their sharia on us, so maybe it is better not to impose our morals on them
We can show them by our laws how we think it should be done, and leave it to them to follow us in this
Islam is changing already a little. And obviously it goes slow, because it's based on religion. We can't rush these things, how much I would like

We have to obey by their laws when we visit Middle East, so obviously we make the right decision to have them obey our laws
Anyway the Koran is all about obeying the laws of the country, so the Muslim men should be very pleased to be able to follow some extra rules

I spent 10 years in India. For me it was very natural to just follow the rules of India. I am a guest in their country so of course I follow their rules.

Major rule in a good religion is to "follow the rules of the country you are in"

 

[stvdv]

Open your eyes.

And you keep them closed

 

[Notanumber]

This calls for a new thread, but who's brave enough to do it, who? Who??

The Chinese.

 

[stvdv]

I'd be inclined to refuse them entry and pass the problem to someone else.

Pass them on preferably to a Muslim country which allows children to be married and have sex above age 9

 

[Notanumber]

Pass them on preferably to a Muslim country which allows children to be married and have sex above age 9

Would Saudi Arabia accept them?

 

[stvdv]

Would Saudi Arabia accept them?

I do know that EU Frans Timmermans has declared that they want 60 million Africans coming to Europe (ca. 10% increase of Europe population).
So it seems that EU already decided that Europe gets immigrants; see strasbourg resolution 1975. And more recently Marrakesh Plan.
Timmermans explained that Europe needs to become diverse. I also read that working population is rapidly decreasing, hence immigration needed

So it seems not the plan of the people ruling the world, that immigrants go to Saudi Arabia (assuming this strassburg/marrakesh is true).

https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/s..._declaration-and-action-plan-marrakesh_en.pdf
Oil for Immigration: What the 1975 Strasbourg Resolutions Meant to Europeans

 

[Notanumber]

I do know that EU Frans Timmermans has declared that they want 60 million Africans coming to Europe (ca. 10% increase of Europe population).
So it seems that EU already decided that Europe gets immigrants; see strasbourg resolution 1975. And more recently Marrakesh Plan.
Timmermans explained that Europe needs to become diverse. I also read that working population is rapidly decreasing, hence immigration needed

So it seems not the plan of the people ruling the world, that immigrants go to Saudi Arabia (assuming this strassburg/marrakesh is true).

https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/s..._declaration-and-action-plan-marrakesh_en.pdf
Oil for Immigration: What the 1975 Strasbourg Resolutions Meant to Europeans

I knew that oil had a lot to do with it. Saudi Arabia will not accept refugees because they want as much Muslim migration to the West as possible.

The UN is controlled by Islamic countries.

According to Nigel, the UK government has admitted that immigration has had a negative effect to the economy.

 

[oldbadger]

That's an interesting point, I'll be interested with what you come up with.

I can't find anything.........
The trouble with frigging governments is, that they don't highlight their policies in delicate areas of contention, they just carry on until some keen journalist gets in there and rummages about.

Thing is, I don't happen to believe that a man who marriages a 14/15yrs old girl is automatically a pedo. And if they have a child together then they are a family unit. And so in cases where a family unit has run for its survival (asylum) I think we should extend all the understanding and care that we can. On the other hand, families who just want entry 'cos it's nice here are not in such danger and could be invited to go somewhere else, possibly a country that supports very young spouses?

 

[England my lionheart]

I can't find anything.........
The trouble with frigging governments is, that they don't highlight their policies in delicate areas of contention, they just carry on until some keen journalist gets in there and rummages about.

Thing is, I don't happen to believe that a man who marriages a 14/15yrs old girl is automatically a pedo. And if they have a child together then they are a family unit. And so in cases where a family unit has run for its survival (asylum) I think we should extend all the understanding and care that we can. On the other hand, families who just want entry 'cos it's nice here are not in such danger and could be invited to go somewhere else, possibly a country that supports very young spouses?

I don't go with that, a man who marries a child has no moral fibre Imo, there's also the damage that can occur both physically and psychologically to the girl, I believe we must enforce the law, keep the girl and children together but he must be separate until she comes of age.

 

[oldbadger]

I don't go with that, a man who marries a child has no moral fibre Imo, there's also the damage that can occur both physically and psychologically to the girl, I believe we must enforce the law, keep the girl and children together but he must be separate until she comes of age.

Fair enough. I can understand your opinion about all this.
Me? At day's end I support our legislation, whatever that may be..... we can always seek to get it changed with our votes.

Moral fibre is such an intangible character asset, though, and where countries allow marriage at 14 or 15 yrs I expect that folks there don't think that husbands/couples are disgusting and lacking moral fibre. I expect that some cultures think that we are generally despicable and of weak fibre.

 

[Anthem]

Fair enough. I can understand your opinion about all this.
Me? At day's end I support our legislation, whatever that may be..... we can always seek to get it changed with our votes.

Moral fibre is such an intangible character asset, though, and where countries allow marriage at 14 or 15 yrs I expect that folks there don't think that husbands/couples are disgusting and lacking moral fibre. I expect that some cultures think that we are generally despicable and of weak fibre.

A lot of countries that allow child marriages have population that believes it is wrong.

 

[oldbadger]

Which unfortunate country will consent to migrant minors having sexual relations in the name of 'marriage' !!

Even in the case of the husbands being in their twenties, I don't think this is a healthy practice.

I remember reading in the newspapers about an underage girl in Yemen, who died of internal injuries after her 'husband' consummated the 'marriage'. Gross.

Yemeni child bride, eight, 'dies on wedding night'

I don't expect that anybody agrees with marriages like that!

What in your opinion is the minimum age for a person to marry?