Migrants with child brides

[Shad]

They are married under laws which regard them as adults at that age.
How do you suggest we change those laws? Go to war?

I never said change those laws. They can just stay in nation which support such laws.

We might not like the laws of other countries but we have to respect them.

No we do not have to respect those laws at all.

Some states in the USA allowed marriage at 14.

Americans are not refugees asking another nation to violate it's own laws.

Only a hundred or so years ago it was common in most countries, some of your ancestors would have married and had children that age. Do you intend to disown them?

Times changes

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

"Should a 14-year-old married girl who migrates to Europe be viewed as a child - or a spouse?

The issue has put European governments in a spin: forcing a policy U-turn in Denmark, new legislation in the Netherlands and an agonised debate in Germany."
Migrant child brides put Europe in a spin

So, should nations accept and permit migrants to continue having sexual relations with minors, when it is against the law to do so?

What does America do?

 

[Shad]

What does America do?

Enforce US law which every refugee agrees to follow upon claiming status.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Enforce US law which every refugee agrees to follow upon claiming status.

Who mentioned refugees? The OP is about all immigrants, isn't it?

Anyway, the reason I asked what the US does is because, as OP well knows, in a bunch of places in the US, marrying 14 year olds is perfectly legal. I'm wondering if immigrants are treated by a different standard?

 

[Shad]

Who mentioned refugees? The OP is about all immigrants, isn't it?

No it is about refugees as per the article not the title. The liberal writer changed refugee to migrant due to ideology but the article is about refugees up and down if you read it. It's the BBC after all so such a distortion of terms is expected. If you read the article it explains many of these marriages are due to social and economic pressure which exists in the camps. For many the marriage is made for protection.

Migrants do not get special privileges either but that is beside the point.

Anyway, the reason I asked what the US does is because, as OP well knows, in a bunch of places in the US, marrying 14 year olds is perfectly legal. I'm wondering if immigrants are treated by a different standard?

As I said refugees are held to US law by their own acceptance of a status claim. The issue with the US is there is no federal law covering age of marriage but states do. States enforce those laws unless it is a Dem sanctuary city or Cali.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

No it is about refugees as per the article not the title. The liberal writer changed refugee to migrant due to ideology but the article is about refugees up and down if you read it. It's the BBC after all so such a distortion of terms is expected.

Migrants do not get special privileges either but that is beside the point.



As I said refugees are held to US law by their own acceptance of a status claim. The issue with the US is there is no federal law covering age of marriage but states do. States enforce those laws unless it is a Dem sanctuary city or Cali.

Pretty sure OP gets to choose the topic of his own thread. The title is a clue.

My initial question stands, anyway. Since an American who was married at 14 will have that marriage recognised nationally, what would the difference be with immigrants?

 

[Shad]

Pretty sure OP gets to choose the topic of his own thread. The title is a clue.

No I am talking about the article itself which the OP used. The BBC article is "Migrant child brides put Europe in a spin" while the article is about refugees not any migrant nor immigrant. Read the article, it is obvious about the status of people being discussed.

what would the difference be with immigrants?

Citizen vs foreigner along with UN and international court rulings such as marriage below 18 is abuse. Simply put citizens have privileges and rights foreigners do not have by definition. This is standard in most nations. Just how much these laws are enforced differs from nation to nation as the article show there are laws being ignored hence the problem.

Yes it is amusing to see the US hold up some international laws and UN ideas while ignoring others as it pleases.

 

[Spiderman]

What does America do?

America should not be allowing what the law defines as rape.

 

[Anthem]

America should not be allowing what the law defines as rape.

Does US define sex with a minor automatically as rape??

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

No I am talking about the article itself which the OP used. The BBC article is "Migrant child brides put Europe in a spin" while the article is about refugees not any migrant nor immigrant. Read the article, it is obvious about the status of people being discussed.

I know what you're talking about. I'M talking about the thread, which is not about the article. The article provides some context to the thread, but is not the topic of the thread

Citizen vs foreigner along with UN and international court rulings such as marriage below 18 is abuse. Simply put citizens have privileges and rights foreigners do not have by definition. This is standard in most nations. Just how much these laws are enforced differs from nation to nation as the article show there are laws being ignored hence the problem.

Yes it is amusing to see the US hold up some international laws and UN ideas while ignoring others as it pleases.

"Amusing" is one word, I guess.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

America should not be allowing what the law defines as rape.

Yet as you know, it doesn't do that when a marriage occurs while either or both participants are under age.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

What happens in the USA when someone marries a 14 year old, in a state where this is permitted, and moves to a state with a higher age limit for marriage. Are they arrested for child rape?
Would immigrants be treated any differently?

citizen vs foreigner along with UN and international court rulings such as marriage below 18 is abuse. Simply put citizens have privileges and rights foreigners do not have by definition. This is standard in most nations. Just how much these laws are enforced differs from nation to nation as the article show there are laws being ignored hence the problem.

Yes it is amusing to see the US hold up some international laws and UN ideas while ignoring others as it pleases.

There are no such UN or international laws covering the age of consent or the age of marriage. no laws are being ignored. Countries are free to set their own laws.

In the USA these laws are set by the individual state. there is no federal law covering the age of marriage.

In Canada the minimum age for marriage is 14 in the UK 16

 

[Spiderman]

Does US define sex with a minor automatically as rape??

Yes, they are too young to consent.

 

[Anthem]

Yes, they are too young to consent.

Not really.

 

[Shad]

What happens in the USA when someone marries a 14 year old, in a state where this is permitted, and moves to a state with a higher age limit for marriage.

By states laws all married couples must confirm to the new state's laws. If the age of married in state X is higher than state Y state X nullifies the marriage. If the states have the same age of marriage with parental consent the couple must provide documentation of parental consent and the court order validating the consent of the couple and parents.

Would immigrants be treated any differently?

Yes as immigrants are covered under the executive branch and foreign affairs department which are bound by UN regulation which state marriiage under 18 is against international law, the UNDHR, Convention on Consent to Marriage, and Minimum Age for Marriage and Registration of Marriages. Each of which states tradition, culture and religious customs which are against these resolutions are to be removed from civilization(s).

There are no such UN or international laws covering the age of consent or the age of marriage. no laws are being ignored. Countries are free to set their own laws.

Yes there are as per the cited resolutions and conventions above. Nations just selectively follow the UN when each nation pleases. OIC nations never signed the UNDHR a key part of the UN charter but each is still a member. This only shows the UN is toothless without the US calling the shots.

In the USA these laws are set by the individual state. there is no federal law covering the age of marriage.

Yes those marriages must conform to state laws if they are citizens

In Canada the minimum age for marriage is 14 in the UK 16

Nope it is 16 in Canada as per "Zero Tolerance for Barbaric Cultural Practices Act" More so Canada has repeatedly denied immigrants and spouse-sponsored immigration which violate Canada's marriage laws.

CanLII - Zero Tolerance for Barbaric Cultural Practices Act, SC 2015, c 29

 

[ajay0]

What has that got to do with it?

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[Terrywoodenpic]

By states laws all married couples must confirm to the new state's laws. If the age of married in state X is higher than state Y state X nullifies the marriage. If the states have the same age of marriage with parental consent the couple must provide documentation of parental consent and the court order validating the consent of the couple and parents.



Yes as immigrants are covered under the executive branch and foreign affairs department which are bound by UN regulation which state marriiage under 18 is against international law, the UNDHR, Convention on Consent to Marriage, and Minimum Age for Marriage and Registration of Marriages. Each of which states tradition, culture and religious customs which are against these resolutions are to be removed from civilization(s).




Yes there are as per the cited resolutions and conventions above. Nations just selectively follow the UN when each nation pleases. OIC nations never signed the UNDHR a key part of the UN charter but each is still a member. This only shows the UN is toothless without the US calling the shots.



Yes those marriages must conform to state laws if they are citizens



Nope it is 16 in Canada as per "Zero Tolerance for Barbaric Cultural Practices Act" More so Canada has repeatedly denied immigrants and spouse-sponsored immigration which violate Canada's marriage laws.

CanLII - Zero Tolerance for Barbaric Cultural Practices Act, SC 2015, c 29

The UN does not pass laws.

 

[Shad]

The UN does not pass laws.

Your point has zero merit as I never said the UN makes nor passes laws. UN Council Resolutions and Conventions are legally binding on all member nations as a requirement of membership to the UN. Ratification as law is required by each nation state. Convention signatories are legally bound to follow said resolutions and to ratify each as law. Nations just ignore the UN as the UN has zero power to enforce anything.

You have no idea how the UN works.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Your point has zero merit as I never said the UN makes nor passes laws. UN Council Resolutions and Conventions are legally binding on all member nations as a requirement of membership to the UN. Ratification as law is required by each nation state. Convention signatories are legally bound to follow said resolutions and to ratify each as law. Nations just ignore the UN as the UN has zero power to enforce anything.

You have no idea how the UN works.

No one respects the resolutions and conventions because it has no power to apply its sanctions.
However countries do use those same resolutions to justify their own military and economic actions against other countries.
The USA are perhaps the biggest offender.

 

[Anthem]

No one respects the resolutions and conventions because it has no power to apply its sanctions.
However countries do use those same resolutions to justify their own military and economic actions against other countries.
The USA are perhaps the biggest offender.

Actually the world respects those very much