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Millennials, Please Just Shut Up

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
The British public has spoken, and about 51 percent want out, and 49 percent want in...so the 49 percent should just roll over? And in a year's time, another referendum might well go the other way, depending in large part how the new PM and cabinet handle things.

Is there actually any real chance that another referendum will be made to decide whether the UK should rejoin the EU?
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
Which "British public"? This British public?



Or this British public?



(Source.)

Yeah, I'd probably support a petition to change things too if I knew that many votes that could change my future were cast by people who were googling "What happens if we leave the EU?" several hours after the closure of the polls.
Seems logical to me it was the people who voted Remain who googled that, no?
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Seems logical to me it was the people who voted Remain who googled that, no?

The article mentions how some people regret voting "leave," so it stands to reason to conclude that many voters in that direction were googling that as well.
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
The article mentions how some people regret voting "leave," so it stands to reason to conclude that many voters in that direction were googling that as well.
Lol, DS, the regret story is just a story. I know everyone around me voted Leave and no-one regrets it one damn bit. I know that's only anecdotal, but this 'regret' trash seems just that, trash.
 

beenherebeforeagain

Rogue Animist
Premium Member
Is there actually any real chance that another referendum will be made to decide whether the UK should rejoin the EU?
I have no idea. Does Trump have a "real" chance to get elected POTUS? Does Hillary? From what I understand, if the referendum had been held a year ago, remain would have won handily. As far as I know, there can only be a second referendum if a significant number of people sign on in support, but I know nothing about the process in the UK.
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
I have no idea. Does Trump have a "real" chance to get elected POTUS? Does Hillary? From what I understand, if the referendum had been held a year ago, remain would have won handily. As far as I know, there can only be a second referendum if a significant number of people sign on in support, but I know nothing about the process in the UK.
There are already enough signatures to mean it has to be debated in parliament, so I've heard.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
I have no idea. Does Trump have a "real" chance to get elected POTUS? Does Hillary? From what I understand, if the referendum had been held a year ago, remain would have won handily. As far as I know, there can only be a second referendum if a significant number of people sign on in support, but I know nothing about the process in the UK.

If nearly 49% voted to stay, isn't that already a significant number of people? I'm not sure why another significant number would have to sign on in support for another referendum to happen.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Lol, DS, the regret story is just a story. I know everyone around me voted Leave and no-one regrets it one damn bit. I know that's only anecdotal, but this 'regret' trash seems just that, trash.

I hope they don't experience results from leaving the EU that make them regret their decision. I'm not even British and the thought that the UK might severely decline as a result of the majority of Britons' votes seems so saddening to me.

I'm not extremely familiar with what's going on there, but whatever the outcome, I wish good luck to you guys. Britain and its culture seem so elegant to me, and I think they deserve well. :D
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
So after the UK voted to leave the EU, the Millennials who overwhelmingly voted 'Remain' are getting their knickers in a twist because they didn't get their way. They started a petition for a Second Referendum, because, hey, if you don't get what you want then just keep on pushing until you do. These people clearly don't know what democracy is. The majority wins, and the majority voted out.

Seriously, you lost. Get over it. Lose with dignity, at least.

(Sorry, this isn't aimed at anyone on RF, I'm just annoyed by their juvenile whining).
Wait, the girl with a disgusting Hitler quote from Mein Kampf as her sig is talking about democracy and dignity? o_O
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Perhaps Brits will be able to have a pint again, instead of ...uh....whatever metric stout is.
 

beenherebeforeagain

Rogue Animist
Premium Member
Just thinking: According to BBC, turnout was 72 percent, which means that 28 percent of the population chose not to express their opinion for one reason or another. The 51 percent of the 72 percent who did vote for Exit is just under 37 percent of the electorate; 49 percent for Remain is just over 35 percent of the electorate.

This is hardly a clear mandate, but since it was a binding referendum, the winning policy to Exit.

The question is, how exactly, and how quickly, will that take place? It appears that it wouldn't take much of a shift to derail the exit, or to make it the preference of a much larger portion of the electorate.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Yes, but what's it going to change? Why bother?
You are being somewhat naïve.
This puts a lot of pressure on the Leave campaign to start delivering on their promises, to stop delaying and show us this glorious future that they have promised us.
It also reminds them that it was damned close and that the future electorate disagreed with them in numbers, so if they care for their party's future (and let's be honest it is the Tories running this) they have to take note of these young voters showing their dissatisfaction.
If only we had a half-decent opposition...sigh:(
 

Acim

Revelation all the time
I find it interesting how physically, nothing has technically changed, and yet it is enough to cause world calamity.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
I understand. That largely depends on what you mean by "dictatorship," though. For example, I'm absolutely in favor of having presidents chosen by popular vote. Same for parliament members. But supreme court justices, for example? No. I would also make sure that the constitution was very difficult to modify through popular vote.

The system of a constitutional republic is pretty good, in my opinion. It's just that in the case of a referendum like Brexit, I wouldn't put it up to popular vote and would instead have it decided by a chosen body of economists and other experts. Certainly not the public when it still includes many people who are still looking up "What is the EU?" :D

The Constitution cannot be modified by popular vote. You might want to google the process for changing the constitution ( I am assuming you are referring to the US constitution). Seems the founders of this country were pretty smart.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
The Constitution cannot be modified by popular vote. You might want to google the process for changing the constitution ( I am assuming you are referring to the US constitution). Seems the founders of this country were pretty smart.

I wasn't talking about the U.S. in particular; more what I believe would be the best system of government.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I never claimed I didn't. :p

In all seriousness, though, it's not like I'm saying Britain and British culture are perfect or exemplary. I just find them impressive in more than one way. :)
Oh, they're impressive. Just not in any positive way I can think of outside of maybe some general pop culture aspects, maybe. They've had some good bands and TV shows. Um...that's all I can think of.
 
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