Oh, so if people just shout loud enough they get what they want? That is infantile imo. So even if right wing policies pass in votes, all the libs have to do is shout them down? No, that is not cricket.
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Millennials, Please Just Shut Up
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No, they never end. It's been what, over 150 years since the end of the Civil War in the US, and there are still people who have never accepted that the Confederacy lost, and are constantly fighting to reestablish segregation, strip women and nonwhites of rights, and allow states to decide to discriminate on any basis whatsoever against citizens and visitors alike, but especially based in conservative Protestant Christian values.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Yes. And it's important to remain vigilant in protecting such rights because it is never truly over.
Several years ago California legalized same-sex marriage, but it was challenged, and at the behest of the Church, mostly the Mormon Church, same-sex marriages were put on hold and the issue brought to a public vote known as Proposition 8. The bill passed, and same-sex marriage was overturned. But, eventually and recently, the Supreme Court intervened and ruled same-sex marriage a legal right in all 50 states.
It works both way--see my other post referencing the US Civil War. If the the right wing policies pass, the left is allowed to shout and shout and shout...and sometimes they win. If left-wing policies pass in votes, all the conservatives have to do is shout and shout and shout--and sometimes they win. It's called politics; it's how it works in a democracy, even a representative democracy.
But the whole idea of a representative democracy (at least in the US, under our Constitution) is that minorities are protected from majorities. Let's say the majority of voters decides to confiscate all the property from the wealthy and distribute it to themselves...Majority Rules? The rich have to give it up? Hardly, the rights of the minority are protected by law. (Does it always work like that? No, but in the US, the legal precedent has been toward expanding protections for minorities--which is Why Prop 8 was doomed to fail when challenged in court--the majority cannot vote to systematically violate the rights of a minority.)
I just like the goddamn quote okay? I also agree with some of the things Stalin, Churchill and Marx said. I just thought that quote summed up my beliefs in a nutshell. I am a nationalist, it appeals to me.
And I fully expect those of us on the right to keep fighting for what we believe in when the libs win.
That's just how things work.
Tom
I don't know squat about Cricket.
But the thing is, that "infantile" thing is kind of how things work in democracies. I've once heard democracy described as government by mob. We shouted down the votes of those folks who believed (and some who still believe) that same-sex marriage should be illegal. Maybe it is infantile. Well, I'm okay with that, because it's infants who will have the longest amount of time to deal with our mess-making.
Besides, you Brits share this rebellious quirk with us Yanks. I know you guys can be just as rebellious as us. I've even once heard Americans described as "Englishmen overseas". I bet the entire notion of leaving the EU was a rebellious act. Did you say that it was "over" when the UK joined the EU?
And you're still shouting about other people shouting, without a hint of irony.
Exactly. The KKK still exists.
Unfathomable Tao
Student of the Way
^^^This
I do want to reiterate again that I have no opinion either way on this particular matter of... "Brexit", since I don't know about the situation.
Though I'd laugh if Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland gained independence in the coming years, and end up joining the EU.
EDIT: Cornwall, too.
Though I'd laugh if Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland gained independence in the coming years, and end up joining the EU.
EDIT: Cornwall, too.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It won't surprise me that decision provokes Republicans in America to start an even stronger movement than we've already seen to get America out of the UN and NATO.
I imagine its about money. UK must feel they can do better without poorer countries bringing them down. It would be like richer states in the U.S. thinking the poorer states bring down our economy. EU is supposed to be beneficial for the whole. With UK having already been exempt from the Euro what was the point of being in the EU, is there more to it?
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/25/europe/brexit-eu-leaders-meet/index.html
And I'm not sure they'd have much opposition, since I don't think most Americans even know what either really is.
Given that it is international headlines, it seems like a really huge deal, and is why I think the 49% is being vocal with their disgust.
What I don't really see this thread addressing but is certainly hinted at is if that 49% got their way (back in the EU), then there would be 51% of the population doing what they are doing now. The roles would just be reversed, one side claiming the deal is done, the other side saying not even close to be done, we can overcome this decision.
Would seem better politically to compromise on certain things but from what little I know of EU politics, there was not much compromising. Either you bow to that authority or you choose to exit and govern your own affairs. Seems to me that people that supported EU as ultimate authority have similar attitude to what is being displayed by the Leave ground. Or what all majorities like to think after an election. We won, we're righteous. You who lost need to learn to accept that.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It wouldn't surprise me, at all, if most Americans don't even know the headquarters of the UN is in New York.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
LOL.. Garrrr, you're beginning to sound like a Canadian.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Tho
It's looking likely that Scotland will split off and try to stay in the EU. Longer term Northern Ireland will probably merge with Eire, the remain majority there has strengthened the hand of the republicans. The Welsh aren't going to be happy because they currently get a lot of EU money which they will lose, so they they might well be wanting independence too at some point. Cornwall is, well, Cornwall.
Though I'd laugh if Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland gained independence in the coming years, and end up joining the EU.
It's looking likely that Scotland will split off and try to stay in the EU. Longer term Northern Ireland will probably merge with Eire, the remain majority there has strengthened the hand of the republicans. The Welsh aren't going to be happy because they currently get a lot of EU money which they will lose, so they they might well be wanting independence too at some point. Cornwall is, well, Cornwall.
I could well imagine a trumpish vote to get out, followed by frantic googling to learn something about them.
Tom
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Hopefully in a couple years I'll be moving to the South Western part of Canada. More liberal than where I'm at now, better civil rights and protections than where I'm at now, and my Master's and Doctorates will cost much less.LOL.. Garrrr, you're beginning to sound like a Canadian.